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[commentator]  We have
a paid attendance tonight, 27,458.

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-[bat cracks]
-That is the second drive...

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[man]  All of life is "What if?"

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I don't know that any of us
can identify what that critical role is

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that we bring to the lives
that we share in common.

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[distant baseball commentary continues]

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[woman] Right, in the case of
People versus Juan Ignacio Catalan...

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Is that your true name?

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Juan]  Um, let's see...

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Well, I was born in Los Angeles, in 1978.

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My dad bought a house in a suburb,
about 15, 20 miles north of L.A.

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My brother, Mario, started hanging around
with the wrong crowd.

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I always looked up to him,
'cause he was my big brother.

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And I just remember
seeing him coming home

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with stereos
and all types of different car parts.

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And that, I guess, intrigued me.

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They used to break into the cars
and I would be the driver.

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That was the first time
I ever got arrested.

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I definitely wanted to make that trip
my last trip ever to jail.

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[commentator]  The second run
that he’s allowed to...

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[Juan]  Well, it was August 12th of 2003.

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Me and Alma, we had broken up.
We were having some problems.

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I called her up and I asked if she could
come and sleep over at my house.

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It was maybe midnight,

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and he asked me, "What are you doing?"
I said, "Trying to go to sleep."

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She didn't want to, but... you know,
I'm a very persistent guy.

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That night, I had a weird dream.

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I had a dream of UFOs
or aliens or something.

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And that I was being taken away.

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I kid you not.

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Woke up, any other day,

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and we're driving to work,

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that's probably about 7:30 in the morning.

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We pull into our shop parking lot,

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and my dad was there, of course.
He was always the first one there.

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Five, six in the morning.

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[Alma]  We pulled into the parking lot.

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I notice a truck, kind of close to us.

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And that's when it all happened.

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[Juan]  As soon as I open the door,

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he jumps out of the car,
and he's just like...

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The only thought I had was I was dead.

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I was completely surrounded
within 30 seconds.

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They walked up to me,
threw me on the floor,

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face down on the asphalt.

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My dad opens the door,
and I remember, he poked his head out,

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out the door.

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And I just remember looking at my dad,
and he's like...

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He looked at me, and I go, "Dad, look..."

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I go, "Dad, look..."

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[voice breaking] I said, "Dad..."

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[on tape]  I'm Detective Rodriguez,
partner to Detective Pinner, okay?

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[Juan]  Hey, what's going on?
That's all I want to know.

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[Pinner]  We're hoping that
you're going to talk to us.

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Are you willing to talk to us
about what's going on?

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[Juan]  What's going on?

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Next, one of the detectives
showed up to the house.

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[interviewer] State your full name
for the record, sir.

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It's Juan Rodriguez.

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He says, "Well..."

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[inhales deeply]

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[voice breaking]
He's like, "He was arrested."

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And I said, "I get that.
Why was he arrested?"

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And he's like,
"Because the murder of Martha Puebla."

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And I said, "Excuse me?"

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And I think that I was speechless
for like five minutes.

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[narrator]  Juan was in jail,

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charged with the May 12, 2003
murder of 16-year-old Martha Puebla.

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The young woman had testified
in a separate case

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in which Juan's brother
was a co-defendant.

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[Juan]  Everyone makes mistakes.

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Just some people make bigger mistakes
than others.

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And they're not easily undone.

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My brother had been arrested
for a murder.

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And we went to his preliminary hearing.

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When we were in court, they did ask us
to provide our driver's license or IDs.

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One thing I remember very clearly
is Martha Puebla was a witness.

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[Juan]  They wanted her
to point out the shooter in court.

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But she never said anything.
She goes, "I didn't see anything."

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And I never thought anything of it.

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I...

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took it as we were watching
someone testify.

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[woman]  Do you solemnly state

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the evidence you shall present
in this matter

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shall be the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,

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so help you God?

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I do.

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[Juan on tape]
You are going to take away my life

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for this fucking bullshit?

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[Pinner]  The bullshit is this.
You killed somebody.

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[Juan]  Wait a minute.
Those are very strong words right there.

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I did not kill nobody,
I would never kill nobody.

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I'd never do anything to hurt anybody.

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[Pinner]  Convince us otherwise.

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[Juan]  I remembered my cousin.

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He would always brag
about this kick-ass lawyer

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that he was a filing clerk for.

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Las Vegas.
It's a great place to go and have fun!

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We went there to uncover

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some of the sneaks,
cheaters, and sore losers,

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and they were all caught on tape.

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When I first met Juan,
I was in a criminal defense practice,

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as I had been for probably ten years.

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Naturally, I asked him
about the facts of the case.

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I got this story...

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[chuckles]

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that I wasn't expecting.

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[attorney] Detective Pinner,
what time did the 911 call go out

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with respect to this murder on May 12th?

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22:43, that's 10:43 p.m.

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I didn't know what the evidence was,
how many witnesses they claimed they had.

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I didn't know anything.

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[attorney] At the time that
the defendant was arrested,

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-did he have any facial hair?
-Yes.

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And what did the facial hair look like?

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He had a mustache and a...
He was slightly unshaven,

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with a small piece of hair
below his bottom lip.

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[Juan]  They showed me the sketch
and said that was me.

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[Pinner]  Male Hispanic,
black hair, very short,

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5'7" to 5'11",

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19 to 25 years old.

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Stocky build, medium mustache...

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[Juan]  Hair below his lip?
I've never had nothing under my lip.

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- [Pinner]  What's there right now?
- [Juan]  I haven't shaved!

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[Pinner]  Okay, so you didn't shave
this day either.

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[Juan]  Why wouldn't I shave
my mustache then?

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[Pinner]  I don't know.
'Cause you think you're cool.

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Because you think
there were no witnesses.

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But there were witnesses.

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[Todd] I asked him,
"Was the death penalty mentioned?"

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Yes, death penalty was mentioned.

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[Juan]  They had a paper
with my picture on it,

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and they're like, "Yeah, this is him."

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That's all they would say: "This is him."

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[Juan]  Please, you guys
can't do this to me, dude.

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I swear to God, man, on my two daughters
that I love so much, man,

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I did not do this.

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[Pinner]  People identified you.
The composite is you.

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[Rodriguez]  You see,
the pictures don't lie.

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[Todd]  I mean, I just had a gut feeling,

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there's just no way this kid
could have committed a murder.

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I mean, it just seemed
completely out of his character.

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And so I told him,
"I'm gonna get you outta here."

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[interviewer] Well, did you investigate
Juan Catalan in any way, shape, or form

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before you had him arrested
on August 12th?

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-Yes.
-[interviewer] What did you do?

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[Todd]  I wanted the chronological log
that the detectives are supposed to follow

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every time they do something on the case.

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We showed his picture to the witness.

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[interviewer] And?

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[Pinner]  We verified that he had
an apparent motive.

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Then I started to ask him, "All right,
do you remember where you were?"

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♪ And the home ♪

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♪ Of the brave ♪

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[Alma]  May 12th, I said,
"That's around Mother's Day."

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I'm like, "You know what?
Juan, you were at a Dodger game."

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He had bought some tickets for his mom
to go to the Dodger game,

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knowing full well
she probably wouldn't go.

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[chuckles] Yeah, I did.

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I got those tickets, you know,

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trying to pull them off
as a Mother's Day gift.

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[crowd shouting]

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[Todd]  If we can prove
you were at the game,

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get the case thrown out, easy!

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Uh... not so easy.

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[crowd singing
"Take Me Out to the Ball Game"]

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First of all, I wasn't supposed to be
at that game.

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[announcer]  We are pleased to welcome

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more than 2,000 City of El Segundo
employees, families and friends

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to tonight's game.

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I didn't know who to take
because it was such short notice,

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so I thought of my daughter, of course.

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You know, she was six.

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And she doesn't get into the games,

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but just her being there,
she gets excited.

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I took my cousin Miguel,
who's also a sports fan,

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and a good friend of mine, Ruben.

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Didn't think much of it,
just another Dodger game.

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[Todd]  According to the eyewitnesses
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Martha Puebla was at her residence.

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She had come outside to talk
to a couple of other young adults,

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right around ten o'clock at night.

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[commentator]  We have a paid
attendance tonight, 27,458.

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[Juan]  They were going back and forth...

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[crowd cheering]

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[Todd]  During the time
that these four or five people

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were just outside of Martha's house,

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they saw a Chevy Malibu drive slowly
around the block several times.

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[Juan]  It was a tie,
going into the ninth inning,

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and I'm like, "We're not going nowhere."

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[commentator]  Éric Gagné comes in
and he would go into Mike Kinkade's spot.

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[crowd screaming]

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The person driving the car
came out the car and came up to Martha.

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[commentator]  That's a strike.

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[Juan]  He came in,
and I was like, "We got this.

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You know,
he's going to nail this ninth inning,

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we're gonna come up
and hit the game-winning hit."

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[commentator]  Marcus Giles, with runners
in scoring position, is hitting  .355 .

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[Todd]  Martha says,
"Hey, it's Martha, you remember me."

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And the shooter says something
to the effect of, "No, you don't."

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Pulls a gun out of his sweatshirt,
and then shoots Martha in the head.

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[commentator]  Ground ball up the middle!
Cora can't block it!

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And the runner's gonna come in.
Furcal scores,

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Giles scores, and the game
has come apart on Éric Gagné.

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[Juan]  Oh man, they rocked them
for like seven runs.

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A 4-4 tie became an 11-4 game,

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and I'm like, "Oh, dude."
It's over, let's get out of here.

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[Todd]  Having just witnessed
an execution-style murder,

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the main and only eyewitness in this case
dropped his cell phone

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and ran as fast as he could.

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[Juan]  I grabbed my daughter's hand
and we're walking towards the exit

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and I see a stand of baseball cards,
so I had to stop, I had to stop.

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[Todd]  Police talked
to the owner of the cell phone.

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He looks at tons and tons of photos

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and eventually gives a sketch
of what he thinks the person looks like

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that killed Martha.

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[Juan]  We opened up the packs,
and that was it.

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That was the night, nothing else.

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[attorney]  First of all, we had
an eyewitness who identified him,

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and cooperated with a composite artist
within days of the homicide,

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and came up with a composite

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that was strikingly similar
to the defendant in appearance.

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The prosecutor they assigned to the case

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had never lost a murder case
ever before in her career.

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She was murdered
because she did testify,

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and the day that she testified,
which was May 1st of 2003,

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Juan Catalan was present in the audience
during his brother's preliminary hearing

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when this girl testified.

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[Todd]  Her nickname was Sniper,

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because she likes to pick off people
with the death penalty.

232
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[interviewer] Do you think Juan Catalan
has any kind of a legitimate alibi at all?

233
00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:21,083
No.

234
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000
I asked Alma to find the tickets,
but not to touch them.

235
00:13:29,083 --> 00:13:31,333
We turned the apartment upside down.

236
00:13:31,416 --> 00:13:33,208
Couldn't find the tickets...

237
00:13:33,291 --> 00:13:35,541
I'm going to show you three tickets here.

238
00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:38,166
... until finally,
I found a Dodger envelope.

239
00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:40,916
[Todd] Which of these tickets
was the one that you possessed?

240
00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:45,583
The next thing that I did
was I contacted Sam Fernandez.

241
00:13:45,666 --> 00:13:48,083
Senior Vice President,
General Counsel for the Dodgers.

242
00:13:49,416 --> 00:13:52,166
I don't really know
what was going through my mind

243
00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:53,916
when I received that call.

244
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,458
"Well, here's another interesting day
at the office," if you will.

245
00:13:58,666 --> 00:14:01,000
He came to the stadium
and we walked down to the seats.

246
00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:03,750
[Todd]  I wanted
to take photos of the seats,

247
00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:06,375
where they were
in relation to the Dodger dugout.

248
00:14:07,125 --> 00:14:10,250
[chuckles]  I mean,
I am standing in Dodger Stadium.

249
00:14:11,833 --> 00:14:13,375
[Juan]  I was shackled up

250
00:14:13,916 --> 00:14:19,875
and put into a individual cage
in the jail bus.

251
00:14:20,708 --> 00:14:22,791
I definitely felt...

252
00:14:24,625 --> 00:14:26,708
that it had just become...

253
00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:30,333
That... it just became real.

254
00:14:30,416 --> 00:14:33,291
I saw a county bus.
I was coming home from work.

255
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,166
Uh...

256
00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:38,500
And I just had this weird feeling
inside of me,

257
00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:41,500
and I just broke down crying
by myself in the car.

258
00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:45,666
Juan got his phone call
later on that evening,

259
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:48,916
and calls me and tells me,
"Alma, I saw you on the freeway."

260
00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:50,708
I'm like, "No way!"

261
00:14:50,791 --> 00:14:52,750
He's like, "I saw you on the freeway."

262
00:14:53,208 --> 00:14:56,041
He's like, "I saw you.
You were about to get the 5 to go home,

263
00:14:56,125 --> 00:14:58,166
and we kept going the opposite way."

264
00:14:58,250 --> 00:15:00,750
He's like, "I wish I could have jumped
out of that window

265
00:15:00,833 --> 00:15:01,875
and go home with you."

266
00:15:05,583 --> 00:15:07,875
[Fernandez]  Really,
what he was looking for was some way

267
00:15:07,958 --> 00:15:09,541
of trying to identify the people

268
00:15:09,625 --> 00:15:11,791
who may have been sitting
around his client,

269
00:15:11,875 --> 00:15:15,083
who could actually testify
that his client was there.

270
00:15:15,708 --> 00:15:18,666
[Todd]  They are season tickets
that Juan got from somebody.

271
00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:22,000
Because someone's a season ticket holder
doesn't mean they were at that game.

272
00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:26,583
[Todd]  So we tracked down people
as far west as Hawaii,

273
00:15:27,083 --> 00:15:29,416
and as far east as Chicago.

274
00:15:29,916 --> 00:15:33,666
Everybody we talked to: "You know,
I really didn't see them well enough

275
00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:35,875
that I would feel comfortable testifying."

276
00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:41,125
[Juan]  They transferred me to supermax,
which is maximum security,

277
00:15:41,208 --> 00:15:43,458
with the hardest criminals there.

278
00:15:43,958 --> 00:15:49,041
You really don't know what fear is

279
00:15:49,125 --> 00:15:53,541
until you hear
a grown man screaming for help.

280
00:15:56,083 --> 00:15:59,750
[Todd]  There's another set of cameras
called Dodger Vision.

281
00:16:00,625 --> 00:16:04,375
[Fernandez]  Dodger Vision is what you see
on the big video screens at the stadium.

282
00:16:04,458 --> 00:16:06,166
Our in-house filming.

283
00:16:06,791 --> 00:16:09,666
[Todd]  I painstakingly
went through the videos,

284
00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:13,791
trying to find Juan among 40,000 people.

285
00:16:15,250 --> 00:16:16,791
[laughs] A staggering number, yes.

286
00:16:18,666 --> 00:16:20,208
[Todd]  Since I knew where Juan was,

287
00:16:20,291 --> 00:16:23,500
it was very easy to see the block of seats
and count the rows down.

288
00:16:24,208 --> 00:16:27,375
Every time a right-handed batter
came up to bat,

289
00:16:27,458 --> 00:16:31,166
I was looking for Juan or his friends
in the background.

290
00:16:31,916 --> 00:16:34,458
I felt that I was getting framed.

291
00:16:34,541 --> 00:16:39,083
I know you hear these stories
of people being exonerated

292
00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,791
25, 30 years later.

293
00:16:42,875 --> 00:16:46,416
And that would play in my head
over and over and over.

294
00:16:47,541 --> 00:16:50,041
[Todd]  I was putting everything
on super slo-mo.

295
00:16:50,125 --> 00:16:53,708
It took me an entire day
to go through a three-hour game,

296
00:16:53,791 --> 00:16:56,208
because I could not afford
to miss anything.

297
00:17:03,250 --> 00:17:06,416
I was able to find Juan
sitting in those seats.

298
00:17:09,708 --> 00:17:11,958
But the resolution wasn't high enough.

299
00:17:14,083 --> 00:17:15,958
[Juan]  Talking to the kids
was really tough,

300
00:17:16,041 --> 00:17:18,583
because they wanted to know
when I was coming home.

301
00:17:19,083 --> 00:17:20,583
And I didn't have an answer.

302
00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:24,791
[Todd] Did I explain to you
that we have to tell the truth in court?

303
00:17:24,875 --> 00:17:26,875
-Do you remember that?
-[Juan's daughter] Yeah.

304
00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:29,458
[Todd] And if I told you
that this pen was blue,

305
00:17:29,541 --> 00:17:31,583
would that be the truth or a lie?

306
00:17:31,666 --> 00:17:32,791
A lie.

307
00:17:32,875 --> 00:17:35,541
[Todd] And if I told you
that this microphone was white,

308
00:17:35,625 --> 00:17:37,458
would that be the truth or a lie?

309
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,125
A lie.

310
00:17:39,208 --> 00:17:42,125
[Todd] You promise to tell us
the truth from what you remember?

311
00:17:42,208 --> 00:17:43,166
Yeah.

312
00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:45,291
[Todd] Did you go to a Dodger game
with your daddy?

313
00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:47,083
-Yeah.
-[Todd] This year, last year?

314
00:17:47,666 --> 00:17:48,708
Yeah.

315
00:17:48,791 --> 00:17:51,166
Did your daddy buy you
anything during the game?

316
00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:52,875
-Yeah.
-What did he buy you?

317
00:17:54,583 --> 00:17:55,708
[daughter] Um...

318
00:17:56,708 --> 00:17:57,541
Oh...

319
00:17:58,541 --> 00:18:00,125
Ice cream.

320
00:18:00,791 --> 00:18:03,583
And, um... candy.

321
00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:06,500
And, um...

322
00:18:08,458 --> 00:18:12,583
and some Dodgers... um... cards.

323
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,291
[Todd] Some Dodger cards?

324
00:18:14,375 --> 00:18:16,958
Where did he buy the Dodger cards,
do you remember?

325
00:18:17,708 --> 00:18:21,875
[interviewer] If Juan had the alibi,
the Dodger game, why didn't he mention it

326
00:18:21,958 --> 00:18:24,208
when the police were interviewing him
the night he was arrested?

327
00:18:24,291 --> 00:18:25,833
You would have to ask him that.

328
00:18:26,666 --> 00:18:28,416
[Pinner on tape]
What were you doing on the 12th?

329
00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:31,875
[Juan]  Well, I'm going to remember,

330
00:18:31,958 --> 00:18:34,958
and that's hopefully going to clear me up,
dude.

331
00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:41,458
You know, these guys are telling me
that I killed some 16-year-old girl.

332
00:18:41,541 --> 00:18:43,083
Like, the date was...

333
00:18:43,791 --> 00:18:48,000
Like...
It was irrelevant to me at that point.

334
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,958
[Todd]  I asked Juan
some details about the game.

335
00:18:54,041 --> 00:18:59,333
Juan has a fantastic ability
to recall games, plays, details...

336
00:18:59,416 --> 00:19:02,625
He says, "I think they may have been
filming something there."

337
00:19:02,708 --> 00:19:04,958
[Juan]  I've been
to hundreds of Dodger games,

338
00:19:05,041 --> 00:19:07,958
and never have I seen them
film anything there.

339
00:19:08,458 --> 00:19:11,791
And this particular day, they were there.

340
00:19:12,583 --> 00:19:16,541
[Todd]  All he remembered were
security personnel blocking the aisle

341
00:19:16,625 --> 00:19:19,000
and this man walking
up and down the stairs

342
00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:20,625
for the different takes.

343
00:19:23,458 --> 00:19:25,208
So I went back to Dodger Stadium,

344
00:19:25,291 --> 00:19:28,875
walked with Sam
to the Media Relations Department.

345
00:19:28,958 --> 00:19:31,958
The person that was there
pulled out this big calendar book.

346
00:19:32,916 --> 00:19:35,833
I watched her start flipping.
April, May...

347
00:19:35,916 --> 00:19:37,541
And all these pages are blank.

348
00:19:38,375 --> 00:19:39,583
She turns to May 12th,

349
00:19:39,666 --> 00:19:43,000
and damn if there isn't an entry
on May 12th.

350
00:19:43,208 --> 00:19:46,250
It had some kind of obscure
production company name,

351
00:19:46,416 --> 00:19:48,958
I didn't recognize it,
but it had a phone number.

352
00:19:49,375 --> 00:19:52,458
I called it up, and they answered, "HBO."

353
00:19:52,833 --> 00:19:57,333
I get a cold call from a guy,
"This is Todd Melnik, I'm a lawyer,"

354
00:19:57,416 --> 00:19:59,916
and he tells me this crazy story.

355
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,083
He says, "Well, we don't usually release
any pre-production footage.

356
00:20:04,166 --> 00:20:07,916
You'll have to wait until it airs."

357
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,500
My first thought is, "This guy's nuts."

358
00:20:10,583 --> 00:20:13,958
And secondly,
"There's 56,000 people at this game.

359
00:20:14,041 --> 00:20:15,791
How could this guy possibly be on camera?"

360
00:20:15,875 --> 00:20:17,291
I said, "I need to find anything.

361
00:20:17,375 --> 00:20:20,916
I need to place my client
at Dodger Stadium on that night."

362
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,541
In the meantime, I talked to Larry,

363
00:20:22,625 --> 00:20:26,208
and I'm like, "Larry, there's this guy
that says, you know, his guy's in jail,

364
00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:29,416
and he's a lawyer and...
they remember camera crews being there,

365
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:30,458
and they think it's us."

366
00:20:31,041 --> 00:20:32,375
Uh... What's that song?

367
00:20:32,458 --> 00:20:33,291
[whistles]

368
00:20:33,375 --> 00:20:34,583
What is that song?

369
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:37,208
[whistling
John Philip Sousa's "The Thunderer"]

370
00:20:42,416 --> 00:20:44,291
[ Curb Your Enthusiasm  theme song playing]

371
00:20:44,375 --> 00:20:47,208
[Gibbons] Curb Your Enthusiasm
was a comedy that was on HBO.

372
00:20:47,291 --> 00:20:49,333
Starred Larry David,
the creator of  Seinfeld.

373
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,791
At the time, the name Larry David
didn't ring a bell to me.

374
00:20:53,916 --> 00:20:58,250
I had no idea that he was
this mega-huge Hollywood star.

375
00:20:58,333 --> 00:21:02,166
He's right, of course, in referring to me
as a mega-huge star.

376
00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:04,458
That's totally accurate about me.

377
00:21:04,541 --> 00:21:06,333
So he said,
"Okay, when can you come down?"

378
00:21:06,416 --> 00:21:08,416
I said, "Tomorrow?"
He says, "Okay, tomorrow."

379
00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:11,708
Just hearing
that he was going to go down there

380
00:21:11,791 --> 00:21:14,541
and see this, you know, these outtakes,

381
00:21:14,625 --> 00:21:17,625
it just lifted my spirits instantly.

382
00:21:18,208 --> 00:21:20,291
This episode was called
"The Carpool Lane."

383
00:21:20,375 --> 00:21:23,333
It was the seventh episode of season four.

384
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:27,208
[David]  You should see the traffic.
The only thing moving is the carpool lane.

385
00:21:27,291 --> 00:21:29,083
I'll never make it. I'm going home.

386
00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,666
The episode was that I picked up a hooker
in the carpool lane

387
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:33,000
and took her to Dodger Stadium.

388
00:21:33,791 --> 00:21:36,333
Hey, Daddy.
You want a date with Momma?

389
00:21:36,875 --> 00:21:40,458
Monena. I got a red snapper
that'll talk to you, Daddy.

390
00:21:41,208 --> 00:21:42,625
[laughs]

391
00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:46,791
Get in the car.

392
00:21:47,291 --> 00:21:49,458
[man]  I'd never seen the show,
heard of the show,

393
00:21:49,541 --> 00:21:52,708
I didn't have HBO, so I didn't have
any exposure to the show.

394
00:21:53,541 --> 00:21:54,833
I was a runner, I was a PA.

395
00:21:54,916 --> 00:21:57,083
You know, "Go deliver this here,
go pick this up,

396
00:21:57,166 --> 00:21:59,000
bring it back to the office,"
sort of thing.

397
00:21:59,083 --> 00:22:01,333
So I had no clue what I was getting into.

398
00:22:01,416 --> 00:22:03,916
I knew that we were going to have to find
a baseball stadium

399
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,208
and fill it with thousands of extras,

400
00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:08,958
and, of course, he wanted to do
the Dodgers, since it's L.A.

401
00:22:09,041 --> 00:22:11,875
[laughs] That right there
was a huge uh-oh.

402
00:22:11,958 --> 00:22:14,750
We are part of the entertainment
community in Los Angeles,

403
00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:16,375
and we do want to cooperate.

404
00:22:16,458 --> 00:22:19,333
They came back and said,
"All right, here's what we could do."

405
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,916
We showed up, I believe it was
in the late afternoon,

406
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,083
four or five o'clock was the call time.

407
00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:27,791
Now, I didn't understand, I was like,

408
00:22:27,875 --> 00:22:30,333
"How are we going to shoot
at a real game? This is crazy."

409
00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,208
I know the seats
ain't way the fuck up here.

410
00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:33,500
Got a problem with the seats?

411
00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:36,041
You said we had good seats,
club seats and shit.

412
00:22:36,125 --> 00:22:37,958
[David]  We shot in two sections.

413
00:22:38,041 --> 00:22:40,500
I don't know if they call it
a grandstand at Dodger Stadium,

414
00:22:40,583 --> 00:22:41,416
the upper deck...

415
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,875
It's very arbitrary, where we were placed.

416
00:22:45,083 --> 00:22:47,375
[Whitley]  I never saw the cameras
at the Dodger game.

417
00:22:47,458 --> 00:22:49,583
I don't know if people
even knew people were filming.

418
00:22:50,458 --> 00:22:53,500
[Gibbons]  We had a very, very long lens.

419
00:22:53,583 --> 00:22:56,125
The whole thing was
we needed to be almost invisible.

420
00:22:56,208 --> 00:23:00,208
I had to be in bad seats
and then see Bob Einstein.

421
00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,625
He played Marty Funkhouser on the show.

422
00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:05,541
[Todd]  So I went
to the  Curb Your Enthusiasm  studios

423
00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:06,541
in Santa Monica,

424
00:23:06,625 --> 00:23:08,791
and I get put into an editing bay.

425
00:23:08,875 --> 00:23:12,625
They had an engineer that was putting in
these beta tapes one by one

426
00:23:12,708 --> 00:23:14,125
and playing them for me.

427
00:23:14,666 --> 00:23:16,291
[general chatter]

428
00:23:20,791 --> 00:23:23,250
[Gajic]  I just remember it being chaos,
to be honest with you.

429
00:23:23,333 --> 00:23:25,291
You've got two or three people

430
00:23:26,458 --> 00:23:28,541
trying to hold back thousands of people.

431
00:23:29,458 --> 00:23:33,208
Midway through the game, my daughter
asked me for, I don't remember,

432
00:23:33,291 --> 00:23:35,666
ice cream, popcorn, candy, something...

433
00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:37,916
[Todd]  There was about eight tapes

434
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,916
and we're putting in
tape after tape after tape.

435
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,458
We went up to the concessions stands,
and I bought her what she wanted.

436
00:23:44,583 --> 00:23:46,208
[Todd]  We start to roll the scenes

437
00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:48,958
and, you know,
there's some shots of Bob Einstein.

438
00:23:49,041 --> 00:23:52,708
-Hey, Larry, I see you got a ticket!
-Yeah, the seats really stink though.

439
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:58,250
[Juan]  When I got back, there was
a camera crew right on our aisle.

440
00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:01,541
[Gibbons]  We weren't supposed to stop
people walking up and down the aisle,

441
00:24:01,625 --> 00:24:05,291
but if they didn't want to be on camera,
we would say, "Can you wait one minute?"

442
00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:06,875
-Can I join you?
-No.

443
00:24:07,458 --> 00:24:08,291
Why not?

444
00:24:08,375 --> 00:24:12,375
I grabbed my daughter's hand
and I tried to walk down the stairs,

445
00:24:12,458 --> 00:24:13,291
but I was stopped.

446
00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:15,625
-You won't let me sit there?!
-Not even for a minute!

447
00:24:15,708 --> 00:24:19,541
These are paying customers.
We can't hold them for too long.

448
00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:22,083
[Todd]  There's only about
maybe six minutes a tape

449
00:24:22,166 --> 00:24:23,333
on each of these beta tapes,

450
00:24:23,416 --> 00:24:25,791
and we're already
on tape number five or six.

451
00:24:25,875 --> 00:24:27,625
And I'm getting disheartened.

452
00:24:27,708 --> 00:24:28,666
[shouting]

453
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:30,041
[David] Oh no!

454
00:24:30,666 --> 00:24:33,291
The same guy who stopped me,
he looked over at me,

455
00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:36,791
and then he was just like,
"Hey, you know what? Just go ahead."

456
00:24:37,916 --> 00:24:39,500
And nobody was being let in.

457
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:41,416
Thanks.

458
00:24:41,666 --> 00:24:44,375
[Gajic]  I probably didn't even know
we were rolling the camera.

459
00:24:44,458 --> 00:24:49,000
And if I did, I was probably a shitty PA
and let them through anyway.

460
00:25:19,958 --> 00:25:24,041
-I literally jumped out of my chair.
-He literally sprung out of his chair.

461
00:25:24,125 --> 00:25:25,500
And there was this gasp.

462
00:25:26,583 --> 00:25:27,791
And there he was.

463
00:25:28,416 --> 00:25:29,416
Pretty cool!

464
00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:33,541
[Gajic]  Is that them right there?

465
00:25:39,208 --> 00:25:40,208
Wow.

466
00:25:44,583 --> 00:25:45,666
[chuckles]

467
00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:50,458
We roll it back, confirm yes, it is him,

468
00:25:50,541 --> 00:25:52,291
we keep playing the tape,

469
00:25:52,875 --> 00:25:54,833
and he's on two more cassettes.

470
00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:58,625
I thought, "Wow, this is fantastic,

471
00:25:58,708 --> 00:26:01,875
I'm going to be able to prove
that he was at the game."

472
00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:05,875
[Juan]  I said, "Todd, what happened?"

473
00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:10,333
And he said, "Dude, you're on the tape."

474
00:26:10,416 --> 00:26:13,833
And I was just like...
I think I let the phone go.

475
00:26:13,916 --> 00:26:15,375
I think I let the phone go.

476
00:26:15,458 --> 00:26:19,125
Then I asked him about,
"When was this shot?

477
00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:22,333
Do you guys know
what time of the game this was shot?"

478
00:26:22,416 --> 00:26:26,083
We shoot with time code,
which is time of day.

479
00:26:26,166 --> 00:26:30,000
The stamp that's put on the video tape
that you can't see, it's electronic.

480
00:26:30,083 --> 00:26:32,791
So we knew exactly what time
he was being shot at.

481
00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:36,958
The first scene was at 8:55,
the last scene was at 9:15.

482
00:26:38,291 --> 00:26:41,666
Of course, it was really... It was
pretty exciting, to tell you the truth.

483
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:46,458
[Todd]  I looked at this video as being
the holy grail of Juan's defense.

484
00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:51,833
Except the murder took place at 10:32.

485
00:26:52,916 --> 00:26:53,791
Crap.

486
00:26:55,333 --> 00:26:57,708
What else do we need? You know?

487
00:26:57,791 --> 00:27:01,875
I'm on the video the day
they're saying that I killed this girl.

488
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:03,750
Isn't that enough?

489
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:09,166
[Silverman]  At 10:43 at night,

490
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:12,375
our defendant, by his own evidence,
his own witnesses,

491
00:27:12,458 --> 00:27:17,958
is on the same street as our victim,
dropping off his cousin, Miguel Catalan,

492
00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:21,958
about 100 to 150 yards away
from the murder scene,

493
00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,250
at the time of the murder.

494
00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:26,500
[interviewer] So the HBO tape,
in your opinion, is good only for what?

495
00:27:27,291 --> 00:27:28,291
Nothing.

496
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:32,208
So the prosecution is gonna contend
that you could have left early

497
00:27:32,916 --> 00:27:35,166
and had time to go
and commit that murder.

498
00:27:35,833 --> 00:27:39,625
And... dude,
that just brought me back down.

499
00:27:42,875 --> 00:27:45,000
[Todd]  I said,
"I've got to figure out a way

500
00:27:45,083 --> 00:27:47,791
to place you
at Dodger Stadium even longer."

501
00:27:48,791 --> 00:27:50,291
Did you buy something there?

502
00:27:50,375 --> 00:27:52,250
And I'm like,
"Yes, I bought a lot of things."

503
00:27:52,333 --> 00:27:54,916
He goes, "Did you use a credit card?"
I'm like, "No."

504
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,833
Then we started talking about cell phones.

505
00:27:58,375 --> 00:28:01,791
There's a call at 10:11 in the evening,

506
00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:04,000
for 49 seconds, an inbound call.

507
00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:07,083
-Whose phone number is that?
-[Alma] My friend.

508
00:28:07,583 --> 00:28:09,458
[Todd] And did you call Juan
from her phone?

509
00:28:09,541 --> 00:28:10,583
Yes, I did.

510
00:28:11,583 --> 00:28:14,416
I kept calling Juan and calling Juan,
and I'm like, "Is the game over?"

511
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:16,958
I said, "We're walking out of the stadium
right now."

512
00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:19,958
And that was maybe about 10:10,
I want to say.

513
00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:22,416
-[Todd] Do you recognize that number?
-That's my number.

514
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,125
But I don't remember
if he called me or I called him.

515
00:28:25,208 --> 00:28:28,125
You have to remember
every little detail of your life.

516
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,416
You always think
it may not happen to you, but...

517
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,250
Only in the movies, only on TV...

518
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,125
[Todd]  I knew, from being involved
as a commentator

519
00:28:37,208 --> 00:28:38,708
on the O.J. Simpson case,

520
00:28:38,791 --> 00:28:41,041
when he was doing his slow-speed chase,

521
00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:44,083
that the police were able to find out
which cell towers

522
00:28:44,166 --> 00:28:47,916
were pinging off of his cell phone
when the call was transmitted.

523
00:28:48,666 --> 00:28:49,916
That's how they found him.

524
00:28:51,208 --> 00:28:56,583
The very first phone call I got from Todd
was after the subpoena was released.

525
00:28:57,875 --> 00:29:00,500
We basically released
phone records, wire taps

526
00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:04,041
for, you know, law enforcement agencies,
and different types of entities.

527
00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:08,833
And I just happened to get that case
just by the luck of the draw, you know.

528
00:29:08,916 --> 00:29:11,166
What's the first number
that you recognize?

529
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:12,083
Mine.

530
00:29:12,166 --> 00:29:13,708
[Boggs]  Due to the nature of the case,

531
00:29:13,791 --> 00:29:15,833
Todd was very, very persistent.

532
00:29:16,750 --> 00:29:20,291
It was one of those situations
where it had to go above and beyond

533
00:29:20,375 --> 00:29:22,166
because we had the ability to see

534
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:25,833
what cell tower the actual phone calls
were pinging off of.

535
00:29:25,916 --> 00:29:29,333
It's going to show exactly where
a person is at a certain time period.

536
00:29:32,916 --> 00:29:34,541
[Todd]  The cell tower Juan had used

537
00:29:34,625 --> 00:29:37,458
was right across the street
from Dodger Stadium,

538
00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:40,833
and the radius
for that particular one is a mile.

539
00:29:41,875 --> 00:29:46,666
So I knew Juan was at Dodger Stadium
at at least 10:12.

540
00:29:47,375 --> 00:29:51,750
[Todd] Which cell tower was used
to receive that call at 10:11 at night?

541
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:57,833
10:11 at night,
the cell site was NCA 6581...

542
00:29:57,916 --> 00:30:03,708
[woman]  Rather than giving me a diagram
of whose phone number was whose,

543
00:30:03,791 --> 00:30:07,958
I was listening to numbers,
trying to record numbers and times,

544
00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,583
and I was really befuddled.

545
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:14,791
All I knew about the case

546
00:30:14,875 --> 00:30:19,208
was the defendant was
possibly looking at a death sentence

547
00:30:19,291 --> 00:30:21,500
if he were ultimately convicted.

548
00:30:22,166 --> 00:30:26,750
And that frightened me... beyond words.

549
00:30:29,875 --> 00:30:31,541
[Dunn]  In a preliminary hearing,

550
00:30:31,625 --> 00:30:35,833
am I going to send this person
on to a jury trial,

551
00:30:35,916 --> 00:30:38,791
or am I going to make the decision
to dismiss it?

552
00:30:39,291 --> 00:30:43,000
I was always aware
of the pressure of time.

553
00:30:43,666 --> 00:30:46,541
[Juan]  I would go into the court
with Todd, sit down...

554
00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:52,291
Ten, fifteen minutes max, they would talk
back and forth in lawyer jargon

555
00:30:52,375 --> 00:30:55,208
and stuff I didn't know
what they were talking about.

556
00:30:57,416 --> 00:31:02,375
Okay, see you next date, and next date,
and on, it went like that.

557
00:31:03,625 --> 00:31:05,708
[Dunn]  I agreed, to save time,

558
00:31:05,791 --> 00:31:10,791
that I would take
the interrogation audio tape home with me.

559
00:31:11,791 --> 00:31:15,125
I knew that I could listen to it
as many times as I wanted to,

560
00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:17,000
which I did.

561
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,125
[Juan on tape]  You guys are making
the biggest mistake.

562
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:23,458
[Pinner]  This night, you made
the biggest mistake of your life.

563
00:31:23,541 --> 00:31:25,208
[Juan on tape]  No. No.

564
00:31:25,291 --> 00:31:27,291
You guys are going to remember this,

565
00:31:27,375 --> 00:31:31,208
because you guys are trying to pin
somebody that had nothing to do with this.

566
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:35,416
I listened to that tape
over and over and over again.

567
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,500
I made my children listen to it.

568
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:42,333
And I kept asking them,
as I was really asking myself,

569
00:31:42,416 --> 00:31:45,208
"Is this the voice of a guilty man?"

570
00:31:46,041 --> 00:31:47,458
[low chatter]

571
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,333
[Juan]  I was waiting for Todd
to come in to brief me.

572
00:31:56,083 --> 00:31:59,833
I remember, he told me that,
as soon as I walked in that door,

573
00:32:00,458 --> 00:32:04,250
not to look over to the audience side,
which was on the left side.

574
00:32:05,208 --> 00:32:08,541
Martha's family was in the seats.

575
00:32:10,791 --> 00:32:14,791
[Dunn]  I remember being anguished
by this case.

576
00:32:15,416 --> 00:32:17,125
I couldn't get it out of my mind.

577
00:32:18,375 --> 00:32:19,833
And I vacillated,

578
00:32:21,833 --> 00:32:24,250
trying to determine
how I was going to rule.

579
00:32:25,541 --> 00:32:28,458
Martha Puebla was at stake for me.

580
00:32:29,041 --> 00:32:31,541
[Todd] This man
would be facing the death penalty

581
00:32:31,625 --> 00:32:33,625
if he hadn't, by the grace of God,

582
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,291
gotten Dodger tickets
from someone the day before

583
00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:37,916
and invited these people,

584
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,625
got caught on video from that HBO show...

585
00:32:41,708 --> 00:32:45,666
You heard the tape of the interview
with Detective Pinner.

586
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:49,208
It is clearly a one-witness ID case.

587
00:32:49,291 --> 00:32:53,250
However, the one witness in this case
is extremely credible,

588
00:32:54,125 --> 00:32:55,958
has no motive to lie,

589
00:32:56,416 --> 00:33:00,583
and made a composite drawing
with a composite artist

590
00:33:00,666 --> 00:33:04,666
that is strikingly similar
to the defendant's appearance.

591
00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:11,333
I don't have any doubt that eyewitness
attempted to be credible,

592
00:33:11,416 --> 00:33:15,000
but he observed this murder
on a darkened residential street

593
00:33:15,083 --> 00:33:18,041
under obviously the most traumatic
of circumstances.

594
00:33:18,125 --> 00:33:21,125
[Juan]  She started talking and talking,

595
00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:22,458
and talking...

596
00:33:22,916 --> 00:33:25,875
And I didn't understand one word she said.

597
00:33:25,958 --> 00:33:30,416
Todd's sitting to my left,
and he leans over.

598
00:33:31,625 --> 00:33:34,000
And then he says, "It's over."

599
00:33:36,583 --> 00:33:37,916
And I said, "What?"

600
00:33:38,875 --> 00:33:40,583
And then...

601
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:48,125
-[woman] We're gonna get in trouble!
-[Alma] Oh, my God!

602
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:52,333
[Alma] Go over and give your daddy a hug!

603
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:57,833
[both speaking indistinctly]

604
00:34:05,333 --> 00:34:06,458
Hi!

605
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:10,208
[sniffling]

606
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:13,250
Everything's over.

607
00:34:14,875 --> 00:34:17,791
[women speaking Spanish and laughing]

608
00:34:17,875 --> 00:34:18,916
[Alma] Sorry, Todd.

609
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
-Thank you, Todd.
-You're welcome, man.

610
00:34:22,375 --> 00:34:23,291
[Todd sighs]

611
00:34:23,375 --> 00:34:25,250
-I owe you, dude.
-It's all right.

612
00:34:25,916 --> 00:34:27,125
[Alma] You owe him your life!

613
00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,458
-I owe you.
-All right.

614
00:34:29,916 --> 00:34:32,291
[Juan]  Todd gave me
one last hug and just...

615
00:34:33,916 --> 00:34:36,875
It seemed like he just rode off
into the sunset, like a...

616
00:34:36,958 --> 00:34:38,250
[chuckles]

617
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:39,333
As he should.

618
00:34:39,416 --> 00:34:43,583
And, you know, left me there
with my family and...

619
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,291
I got into the car and they said...

620
00:34:46,958 --> 00:34:51,000
You know, they were all super excited
and happy, as I was,

621
00:34:51,083 --> 00:34:53,500
and they're like,
"Okay, okay, what do you want?

622
00:34:53,583 --> 00:34:55,208
We'll buy you whatever."

623
00:34:55,291 --> 00:34:57,666
And I was like, "All I want...

624
00:34:58,166 --> 00:35:00,125
All I want, honestly,

625
00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:01,750
is a Coke.

626
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:02,750
I didn't have...

627
00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:05,750
You have no soda,
no nothing in there, dude.

628
00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:07,916
All I wanted was a Coke, that's all.

629
00:35:10,291 --> 00:35:12,708
[interviewer]  Do you know
what incriminating evidence is?

630
00:35:12,791 --> 00:35:13,666
-Yes.
-All right.

631
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:16,125
Were you asking Mr. Catalan questions

632
00:35:16,208 --> 00:35:20,666
to try to obtain
an incriminating response?

633
00:35:23,291 --> 00:35:24,333
Yes.

634
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:36,333
[interviewer] Did you try to trick
Juan Catalan after he was arrested,

635
00:35:36,583 --> 00:35:40,000
with the circle around his picture?

636
00:35:42,041 --> 00:35:43,041
Yes, sir.

637
00:35:43,125 --> 00:35:46,083
[interviewer] That was...
dishonest, right?

638
00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:00,208
[man]  We're going to begin

639
00:36:00,291 --> 00:36:03,333
with the United States attorney,
Deborah Wong Yang.

640
00:36:03,416 --> 00:36:06,500
The indictment alleges
that several members of the gang

641
00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:09,083
murdered a 16-year-old girl,

642
00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:12,250
who had witnessed
the gang's wrongdoings

643
00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:14,000
and was cooperating with police.

644
00:36:23,083 --> 00:36:26,208
Maybe, I don't know, every few years,

645
00:36:26,291 --> 00:36:29,750
somebody will bring it up or something,
and I'll tell the story.

646
00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:33,750
Maybe I'll tell it at a party,
how I got a guy off of a murder.

647
00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:35,375
You know, um...

648
00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:38,375
Impress a date with it, I don't know.

649
00:36:39,916 --> 00:36:42,541
-[chuckles]
-[baseball organ playing]

650
00:36:42,625 --> 00:36:44,208
[crowd cheering and singing]

651
00:36:44,291 --> 00:36:46,958
♪ Take me out to the ball game ♪

652
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:50,166
♪ Take me out to the crowd ♪

653
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:54,500
♪ Buy me some peanuts and crackerjacks ♪

654
00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:57,791
♪ I don’t care if I never get back ♪

655
00:36:57,875 --> 00:37:00,416
[Alma]  The thing that keeps repeating
in my head, over and over

656
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:01,708
and over and over,

657
00:37:01,791 --> 00:37:06,875
is imagine he would have stayed home
to watch that game.

658
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:09,708
Who were they going to believe?
His mom? Me?

659
00:37:10,958 --> 00:37:13,083
My daughter? "Oh, my daddy was here."

660
00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:14,666
How, how do you prove--

661
00:37:15,416 --> 00:37:16,833
It's just crazy.

662
00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:22,708
[distant baseball commentary]

663
00:37:26,166 --> 00:37:27,875
[Fernandez]  It's a dangerous thing to do,

664
00:37:27,958 --> 00:37:31,750
to go around viewing life
from the "What if?" perspective.

665
00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:35,666
What if we hadn't done
the deal with Larry David?

666
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:39,416
What if the camera crew hadn't gone
to that aisle on the field double?

667
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,083
What if his daughter had decided
that she didn't want to go to the game?

668
00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:46,750
What if he hadn't made the phone call?

669
00:37:47,666 --> 00:37:49,125
What if, what if, what if...

670
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:53,458
All of life is "What if?"

671
00:37:53,541 --> 00:37:55,958
The next couple of minutes is a "What if?"

672
00:37:57,125 --> 00:37:58,916
[distant baseball commentary]

673
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,250
[commentator]  ...you can now be sure
that we're gonna see John Smoltz.

674
00:38:03,666 --> 00:38:05,291
[distant baseball commentary continues]