0 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:20,000 1 00:06:29,422 --> 00:06:33,392 - Are you chewing gum and smoking at the same time? - Holy shit! 2 00:06:33,394 --> 00:06:34,426 - What? 3 00:06:34,428 --> 00:06:37,162 - Are you chewing gum and smoking, 4 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:40,298 - at the same time? - What the fuck is happening? 5 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,501 Holy shit. 6 00:06:45,938 --> 00:06:48,340 - Keep driving. - Get the fuck out of my car! 7 00:06:48,342 --> 00:06:50,675 - Keep driving. - No! 8 00:06:52,845 --> 00:06:55,914 - Oh my god, okay. - It's me. 9 00:06:56,616 --> 00:06:58,450 - What? 10 00:06:59,452 --> 00:07:01,686 - It's me. Keep driving. 11 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:11,363 - You're, you're-- - don't say my name. 12 00:07:15,368 --> 00:07:17,803 - Uh... 13 00:07:20,206 --> 00:07:21,640 Okay. 14 00:07:21,642 --> 00:07:22,941 - Get back on the road. 15 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:25,377 - Wow. Yeah. 16 00:07:26,045 --> 00:07:27,879 Yeah. 17 00:07:30,416 --> 00:07:32,017 Can I ask you some questions? 18 00:07:32,019 --> 00:07:33,819 - No. 19 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,787 - Okay. Can I just-- - no. 20 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:39,057 - We don't talk about any of this in the car. 21 00:07:39,059 --> 00:07:42,394 - Oh, yeah, no, no, no the car's not bugged. 22 00:07:44,397 --> 00:07:46,531 The-- 23 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:48,667 excuse me. The car's not bugged. 24 00:07:48,669 --> 00:07:51,837 - You left it unlocked at the gas station. 25 00:07:55,174 --> 00:07:58,243 - Uh... okay. 26 00:07:58,911 --> 00:08:01,513 Yeah, okay. 27 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:04,182 But can i-- is it alright if I confirm... 28 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:05,884 - Just kind of... - You're Abe richek. 29 00:08:05,886 --> 00:08:12,557 - Your social security number is 988-64-4323. 30 00:08:12,559 --> 00:08:14,192 You checked into a hotel at missoula. 31 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:16,661 You called your girlfriend at 11:17 pm. 32 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:18,396 At 12:13 am 33 00:08:18,398 --> 00:08:21,500 you called a woman who is not your girlfriend. 34 00:08:21,502 --> 00:08:22,567 I'm the one you're here to meet. 35 00:08:22,569 --> 00:08:24,536 Now let's go. 36 00:08:31,143 --> 00:08:32,878 - Ooh. 37 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,779 Yeah, yes. 38 00:08:34,781 --> 00:08:35,947 Can you-- do you mind-- 39 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:37,349 do you wanna just get in the front seat? 40 00:08:37,351 --> 00:08:39,251 - Will you get back on the road? 41 00:08:39,253 --> 00:08:40,418 - Yeah. 42 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:43,421 Yeah, just come-- come join me up here. 43 00:08:43,423 --> 00:08:45,357 It's been lonely. 44 00:08:45,992 --> 00:08:47,125 - Okay, let's go. 45 00:08:47,127 --> 00:08:49,094 - Alright, which way? 46 00:08:49,295 --> 00:08:51,096 - North. 47 00:08:51,163 --> 00:08:52,931 - Okay. 48 00:08:57,136 --> 00:08:59,604 Yes. Right. This way. 49 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:14,586 It's a method. 50 00:09:15,855 --> 00:09:17,656 It's a method for quitting. 51 00:09:17,658 --> 00:09:19,724 The cigarette, it's not lit. 52 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:20,825 I just hold it there 53 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:24,563 and chew the gum at the same time. 54 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:28,133 - Let me see your phone. 55 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:30,936 - Sure. 56 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:33,104 You can see what apps are running if-- 57 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:36,141 there's a settings button you can go to on the right... 58 00:09:37,343 --> 00:09:39,344 Oh my goodness. 59 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:42,581 Okay, or that works. 60 00:09:49,288 --> 00:09:52,958 What would you have done if it was a phone 61 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,694 that you couldn't have taken the battery out of? 62 00:09:57,296 --> 00:10:00,432 - Why'd you become a journalist? 63 00:10:00,434 --> 00:10:02,601 - Serious question? 64 00:10:03,402 --> 00:10:05,303 Oh, uh... 65 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:06,504 Why... 66 00:10:06,506 --> 00:10:09,674 What made me become a journalist? 67 00:10:09,676 --> 00:10:11,710 The money. 68 00:10:14,747 --> 00:10:19,884 I think that I - I identify and for a long time have, 69 00:10:19,886 --> 00:10:25,357 have seen myself as someone who cares a lot about the truth. 70 00:10:25,359 --> 00:10:26,858 You know. And I'm not naive. 71 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:32,564 I recognize that there's a lot of moral relativity 72 00:10:32,566 --> 00:10:35,400 and moral ambiguity and uncertainty in the world, 73 00:10:35,402 --> 00:10:36,801 and in the worlds that we create, 74 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:40,238 but the truth does exist. 75 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,406 I think. 76 00:10:41,408 --> 00:10:44,476 Or I try to act that way. 77 00:10:45,845 --> 00:10:48,813 Ugh, that sounded pretentious to me. 78 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:54,052 Well, maybe it is a little bit pretentious... 79 00:10:54,054 --> 00:10:57,155 I think that some people come to journalism as storytellers. 80 00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:59,858 People who want to move the reader emotionally. 81 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:04,262 And I don't. 82 00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:06,031 I'm more interested in truth, 83 00:11:06,033 --> 00:11:07,866 regardless of how they feel about it. 84 00:11:12,705 --> 00:11:15,273 - That's a good answer. 85 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:18,910 - Why do you do what you do? 86 00:11:18,912 --> 00:11:20,211 - You can pull in by these silos. 87 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:22,080 We can talk there. 88 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:24,349 - Great. 89 00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:30,014 - Let me search you. 90 00:12:31,283 --> 00:12:32,784 - Uh, no. 91 00:12:32,786 --> 00:12:33,985 Okay, I'm sorry but no. 92 00:12:33,987 --> 00:12:36,454 You, you have to trust me, alright? 93 00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:38,156 I've got a professional code of conduct. 94 00:12:38,158 --> 00:12:41,159 I have a personal code of ethics. 95 00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:42,627 You trust me to keep you unattributed, 96 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:46,331 you have to trust I'm not recording you, okay? 97 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:51,169 - No. I have still have to search you. 98 00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:53,204 It'll be quick. 99 00:12:55,908 --> 00:12:56,674 - Fine. 100 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:58,042 What do I have to do? 101 00:12:58,044 --> 00:12:59,511 - Turn around. 102 00:12:59,513 --> 00:13:01,446 Spread your arms. 103 00:13:06,152 --> 00:13:08,486 This is not a small thing, you understand. 104 00:13:08,488 --> 00:13:10,355 - I do. 105 00:13:25,504 --> 00:13:27,872 Might be easier just to strip me, if you want. 106 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:30,241 - Be careful what you ask for. 107 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:35,880 - Can I put my arms down? 108 00:13:35,882 --> 00:13:37,849 - Keep them out of my way. 109 00:13:37,851 --> 00:13:40,351 And don't put them in your pockets. 110 00:13:50,362 --> 00:13:52,764 - We are both in the same boat. 111 00:13:54,867 --> 00:13:57,101 We both have something to lose. 112 00:14:02,374 --> 00:14:03,274 Is that it? 113 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:04,676 - One more thing. 114 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:06,411 Cover your ears, this is going to be extremely loud. 115 00:14:06,413 --> 00:14:08,213 - What is that? - Cover your ears. 116 00:14:08,215 --> 00:14:09,080 - What are you doing? 117 00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:10,682 Jesus, fuck! 118 00:14:10,684 --> 00:14:12,517 Oh fuck! 119 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:44,916 I probably shouldn't even ask what you're doing right now. 120 00:14:49,855 --> 00:14:52,657 - Aren't you afraid of treasure hunters? - No. 121 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:05,136 You're supposed to be someone I can trust. 122 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:07,338 - Who told you that? 123 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:10,241 Kelly? How do you know Kelly? 124 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:17,315 - Frankly I'd prefer to take this to larger, 125 00:15:17,317 --> 00:15:18,983 more reputable papers. 126 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:20,251 - Sure, yeah, 127 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:23,354 no, I'd prefer to work for those papers but, 128 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:26,357 ya know, here we are. 129 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:30,428 - I'll give you thirty minutes. 130 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:31,496 And that's it. 131 00:15:31,498 --> 00:15:33,031 No follow-up, no phone call, no email. 132 00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:34,966 So make it count. 133 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:36,834 - I understand. 134 00:15:36,836 --> 00:15:42,173 Okay, so first I need you to acknowledge who you are. 135 00:15:42,175 --> 00:15:43,775 Just to me. 136 00:15:43,777 --> 00:15:46,110 You can't be totally anonymous otherwise it's deep background 137 00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:47,612 and I can't use that. 138 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:49,280 And since you're the only source for the story, 139 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:51,950 that means we got nothing, there's no story. 140 00:15:51,952 --> 00:15:54,018 - You know who I am. 141 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:55,720 - Uh... 142 00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,289 Well, you've very artfully communicated it 143 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,825 in extremely indirect ways. 144 00:16:00,827 --> 00:16:02,860 But I need you to be direct on a couple points 145 00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:05,363 otherwise there's, i mean, there's no foundation. 146 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,332 I can't publish. 147 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:13,972 Okay? 148 00:16:13,974 --> 00:16:15,540 - We're going to do this? - Yeah. 149 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:17,241 - Great. 150 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:19,510 Uh, Debra? 151 00:16:19,512 --> 00:16:21,579 Right? Debra Bratton? 152 00:16:24,083 --> 00:16:25,350 - Yes. - Good. 153 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:27,352 - And you work for? 154 00:16:32,691 --> 00:16:34,826 You can say it. 155 00:16:34,828 --> 00:16:36,894 - I, uh... 156 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:39,364 It's-- 157 00:16:39,366 --> 00:16:40,732 - you have to tell me, i can't guess. 158 00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:41,733 - You know it. 159 00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:43,668 - That doesn't cut it. 160 00:16:49,441 --> 00:16:51,542 - Here. 161 00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:58,282 Got that? 162 00:16:58,284 --> 00:17:00,351 - I think so. 163 00:17:02,554 --> 00:17:04,288 Alright, I'm not going to write your name down, 164 00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:06,591 I'm not going to write any proper nouns 165 00:17:06,593 --> 00:17:09,394 that we're using here, I'll use a shorthand. 166 00:17:09,396 --> 00:17:10,728 - Yeah. 167 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,931 - I'll keep this notebook literally on my person 168 00:17:13,933 --> 00:17:15,600 at all points and then I'll destroy it 169 00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:16,634 as soon as I've written the story. 170 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,369 Does that sound alright? 171 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:19,737 Great. 172 00:17:19,739 --> 00:17:22,607 So Debra, your position is what? 173 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:23,808 An information analyst? 174 00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:27,078 - Uh, senior information processing engineer. 175 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,279 - Okay. 176 00:17:28,281 --> 00:17:30,314 Um, and what's a general way to refer to you 177 00:17:30,316 --> 00:17:31,949 that's also accurate? 178 00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:33,484 - What do you mean? 179 00:17:33,486 --> 00:17:35,720 - I mean, like, if I'm quoting the mayor's chief of staff, 180 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:37,889 and he's not going on the record I might say 181 00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:40,124 he's a "senior city hall official." 182 00:17:40,126 --> 00:17:42,260 Can I refer to you as a senior analyst? 183 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:43,661 - No, not really. 184 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,997 Senior's in my title but I'm not senior. 185 00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:47,632 Not like that. Not like you'd think. 186 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:50,835 It's just there to distinguish me from all the other ghosts. 187 00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:52,503 The pure code guys. 188 00:17:52,505 --> 00:17:54,672 - Did you say "ghosts?" 189 00:17:55,574 --> 00:17:56,974 - Like pac-man. 190 00:17:56,976 --> 00:18:00,478 They're ghosts and I'm pac-man. 191 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,082 Or in my case Ms. pac-man. 192 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:05,483 - Do they call you that? 193 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,985 - Just in the office. 194 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:10,354 It's not on my business cards. 195 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:13,958 - It's good. Can I use it? 196 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,593 - No. Absolutely not. 197 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:18,996 That's exactly the sort of personal detail I don't want. 198 00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:21,332 And I'd prefer you don't even include my gender 199 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,634 as that's an enormous clue to who I am 200 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:26,204 in an agency that's 80% male. 201 00:18:26,206 --> 00:18:28,840 With a job title that I share with maybe twenty other women. 202 00:18:28,842 --> 00:18:30,041 - Yes, I understand. 203 00:18:30,043 --> 00:18:32,877 - I don't want this to be about me, at all. 204 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:37,982 You know why people like snowden fucked up? 205 00:18:37,984 --> 00:18:39,684 Because they became the story. 206 00:18:39,686 --> 00:18:41,519 All anybody was interested in 207 00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:43,688 was snowden in that dumb airport 208 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:46,891 or Manning and his gender identity shit 209 00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:49,794 or assange and his disappearing condoms. 210 00:18:49,796 --> 00:18:51,529 Everyone focused on the human element. 211 00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:54,699 I don't want any of this to be about the human element. 212 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,467 - I understand. 213 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:59,871 I - I guarantee you that I have no interest 214 00:18:59,873 --> 00:19:01,506 in making you famous. 215 00:19:01,508 --> 00:19:02,707 You're not my story. 216 00:19:02,709 --> 00:19:03,975 If the content of what you have, 217 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:05,343 what you're offering is good enough. 218 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,845 If it's strong enough, then you're not important. 219 00:19:07,847 --> 00:19:11,482 But, please understand, i have to verify that you exist. 220 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:13,885 Right? I gotta verify who you are 221 00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:15,219 and how you know what you know. 222 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,021 That I'm not just passing along some kind of rumor 223 00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:18,089 that I heard second hand. 224 00:19:18,091 --> 00:19:20,024 - I can see that. That's sound. 225 00:19:20,026 --> 00:19:21,425 - Right? 226 00:19:21,427 --> 00:19:25,062 I mean, we gotta, we gotta trust each other, alright? 227 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:26,330 We gotta be partners. 228 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,566 This only works if we are absolutely rigorous. 229 00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:30,434 - First. 230 00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:34,438 - Can I pick that up? 231 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:47,418 Is that so you can say you didn't give this to me? 232 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:49,587 - I didn't give it to you. 233 00:19:51,056 --> 00:19:52,790 - Alright, I'll look at it as soon as I can tonight. 234 00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,926 - Abe. 235 00:19:55,894 --> 00:19:59,130 Did you see that car arrive? 236 00:19:59,132 --> 00:20:02,233 It wasn't here when we got here, was it? 237 00:20:04,803 --> 00:20:06,804 - I don't know. 238 00:20:06,806 --> 00:20:09,106 No. I didn't see it but it's a long way off. 239 00:20:09,108 --> 00:20:11,142 It's probably just some farmer. 240 00:20:11,144 --> 00:20:12,310 - I don't like it. 241 00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:14,946 Let's go somewhere else. 242 00:20:14,948 --> 00:20:16,781 - Well, hang on. 243 00:20:16,783 --> 00:20:18,449 Look, if that's somebody following us 244 00:20:18,451 --> 00:20:20,418 then what are they doing just sitting out there 245 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:23,120 in the open where it's so obvious? 246 00:20:26,158 --> 00:20:28,092 Goddamn it. 247 00:21:08,533 --> 00:21:10,534 - Take a left on bofer, 248 00:21:11,436 --> 00:21:14,272 and then head west, towards pasco. 249 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:27,885 Left. 250 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:36,961 - Hold on. - What are you-- 251 00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:37,962 - what are you doing? 252 00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:39,697 - I want to see this mystery car. 253 00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:42,533 - No, I told you. We need to get out of here. 254 00:21:42,901 --> 00:21:45,136 - If they're watching us, they're watching us. 255 00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:47,538 I just wanna-- i just wanna see who it is. 256 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:49,740 - This isn't a fucking game. 257 00:21:49,742 --> 00:21:50,841 - I know that. 258 00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:52,810 - You have no idea what you're doing. 259 00:22:13,031 --> 00:22:15,066 - Huh. 260 00:22:15,068 --> 00:22:16,901 - Okay, so you've had your look. 261 00:22:16,903 --> 00:22:18,402 Let's go. 262 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,771 - I want to go see it. 263 00:23:23,001 --> 00:23:24,902 Hello! 264 00:23:31,276 --> 00:23:34,979 I don't think that-- i don't think anybody's here. 265 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:38,783 It's weird though, 266 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:41,185 I'll Grant you that. 267 00:23:41,187 --> 00:23:43,254 Leaving a car here... 268 00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,790 It's probably a farming thing that... 269 00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:48,459 I don't know anything about. 270 00:23:57,702 --> 00:23:59,336 Whoo! Alright. 271 00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:02,606 See? We are a-ok. 272 00:24:03,475 --> 00:24:05,709 - That's not the point. 273 00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:10,648 - I'm very curious to hear what the point is. 274 00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:11,882 Alright, where do you wanna go? 275 00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:14,185 You want to head back to the gas station? 276 00:24:14,187 --> 00:24:15,386 We set this up for months. 277 00:24:15,388 --> 00:24:16,554 You drove all the way out here. 278 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:17,955 You're gonna get spooked by this? 279 00:24:17,957 --> 00:24:19,056 You're gonna get spooked by a car, 280 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:21,826 sitting in a field, alone. 281 00:24:29,267 --> 00:24:32,536 - Go back and turn left on bofer. 282 00:24:32,538 --> 00:24:35,072 Towards pasco. 283 00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:40,177 - Great. 284 00:25:37,469 --> 00:25:39,136 - You think I'm paranoid. 285 00:25:39,138 --> 00:25:40,471 - No, I don't. 286 00:25:40,473 --> 00:25:42,740 I think that it seems like an excess of caution, 287 00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:44,775 but I admit that I don't know. 288 00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:48,445 What you know, I don't know everything you know... 289 00:25:48,447 --> 00:25:51,949 Let's not get scared of ghosts, how 'bout that? 290 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,084 - I'm Ms. pac man, remember? 291 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,986 I can eat the ghosts. 292 00:25:55,988 --> 00:25:57,555 - Yeah! 293 00:25:57,557 --> 00:25:59,323 I don't doubt that for a second. 294 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:01,258 This my left? 295 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:30,321 - They're following us. 296 00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:33,791 They just pulled out and turned after us. 297 00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:36,126 - No, that's not the same... 298 00:26:36,628 --> 00:26:37,828 Is that the same car? 299 00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:40,197 - Of course it's the same car. Speed up. 300 00:26:41,199 --> 00:26:42,633 - Uh... sure yeah... 301 00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:44,668 You know, i don't want to go... 302 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:46,704 We don't want to get pulled over. 303 00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:50,975 You see what they look like? 304 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:53,544 - No, not in the mirror. 305 00:26:53,546 --> 00:26:54,545 I don't want to turn around. 306 00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:56,714 I don't want them to see my face. 307 00:27:00,552 --> 00:27:03,220 At this intersection take the left, 308 00:27:03,222 --> 00:27:05,556 and then we'll take our next right. 309 00:27:05,558 --> 00:27:08,993 The odds of them randomly going that way are... 310 00:27:08,995 --> 00:27:10,694 - Yeah. 311 00:27:21,106 --> 00:27:23,240 - Keep your eyes on the road. 312 00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:46,697 Okay, that right up there, we'll take that. 313 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,539 Right here. 314 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,348 - They could not possibly... 315 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,949 There's literally nothing here. 316 00:28:05,951 --> 00:28:08,052 - Stop here. 317 00:28:09,554 --> 00:28:11,789 Keep it in drive. 318 00:28:58,069 --> 00:29:00,604 - Would you like to start over? 319 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:07,871 Alright, how about this? 320 00:30:09,908 --> 00:30:11,542 I'li tell you a story. 321 00:30:11,544 --> 00:30:13,744 - Do you have to? 322 00:30:13,746 --> 00:30:15,879 - It'll have nothing to do with anything. 323 00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:17,214 Just something for me to gab about 324 00:30:17,216 --> 00:30:19,750 and you can ignore it if you want to. 325 00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:21,985 How's that sound? 326 00:30:21,987 --> 00:30:23,854 - Great. - Great. 327 00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:26,690 - Alright, so, 328 00:30:26,692 --> 00:30:29,593 when I was a kid I grew up about an hour west of Chicago 329 00:30:29,595 --> 00:30:31,595 in a little town called dekalb. 330 00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:33,197 University town. 331 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:37,067 Probably forty, fifty thousand people. 332 00:30:37,069 --> 00:30:39,169 My mom was a sociology professor 333 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:41,238 and my dad worked for the county. 334 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,106 - You don't have a dad. 335 00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:45,242 - Sorry, uh... 336 00:30:45,244 --> 00:30:47,711 - Is this even a true story? 337 00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:50,013 - Do you have-- 338 00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:52,916 this is kind of a personal question. 339 00:30:52,918 --> 00:30:55,018 Do you have... 340 00:30:56,888 --> 00:30:58,188 Asperger's? 341 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:59,690 - What's wrong with you? 342 00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:01,892 - What? It's just a curiosity. 343 00:31:01,894 --> 00:31:03,760 - You are barely in my good graces. 344 00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:05,429 - There's no stigma. A lot of perfectly-- 345 00:31:05,431 --> 00:31:06,630 - just stop. 346 00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:08,398 Stop! 347 00:31:09,834 --> 00:31:12,035 - Very intelligent-- - stop! 348 00:31:17,842 --> 00:31:21,578 - Alright, so one mom was a sociology professor 349 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:24,114 the other worked for the county. 350 00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:27,484 Very small town feel. 351 00:31:27,486 --> 00:31:32,122 Lots of big houses, big yards, plenty of trees. 352 00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:35,726 Pretty classic sitcom setting apart from the relative 353 00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:38,395 trailblazing on the part of my parents. 354 00:31:38,397 --> 00:31:41,765 So one early spring weekday, 355 00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:43,233 and I remember that it was a weekday 356 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:44,935 because my parents weren't home, 357 00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:47,771 we went out to the common area 358 00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:50,774 and there was this circular grove of cherry trees, 359 00:31:50,776 --> 00:31:54,978 the grove had been planted way back by the city fathers 360 00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:57,581 or whoever. 361 00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:01,852 And, so at this point we had twelve, fifteen 362 00:32:01,854 --> 00:32:05,656 really beautiful mature cherry trees. 363 00:32:05,658 --> 00:32:09,860 White pink flowers, really stunning. 364 00:32:09,862 --> 00:32:12,262 You could see them for miles and miles and miles. 365 00:32:12,264 --> 00:32:16,199 But today, this day, they had transformed. 366 00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:21,305 And they were this nasty green-black combination. 367 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:28,545 And they were shimmering. 368 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,814 Which is not exactly the right word. 369 00:32:30,816 --> 00:32:33,984 Not like leaves in the wind shimmering, 370 00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:38,455 but like the surface of water, if the water was thick, 371 00:32:38,457 --> 00:32:41,725 like a sludge. 372 00:32:41,727 --> 00:32:43,860 I had obviously never done drugs at that point in my life 373 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:48,999 but it was... It was like I was high. 374 00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:53,737 It was so wrong and fundamentally unnatural. 375 00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:55,205 So we got closer, you know, 376 00:32:55,207 --> 00:32:56,707 we want to see what's going on, 377 00:32:56,709 --> 00:33:00,477 and we discover that covering these trees, 378 00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:02,512 literally covering every inch of these trees 379 00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,082 are these thousands and thousands of 380 00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:09,553 green-black caterpillars. 381 00:33:09,555 --> 00:33:10,721 Every tree. 382 00:33:10,723 --> 00:33:11,922 And they were going to town. 383 00:33:11,924 --> 00:33:14,558 They were eating the leaves and the stems 384 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,426 and everything, everything. 385 00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:17,928 And it was only the cherry trees, I remember, 386 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:20,097 for whatever reason they weren't interested 387 00:33:20,099 --> 00:33:22,599 in any of the others. 388 00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:23,600 And... 389 00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,268 - Turn here. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 390 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:30,240 And so we get up closer and it's just this, 391 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:36,346 like, gross and horrifying 392 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:40,751 and amazing sight and it's cool. 393 00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:42,352 But we knew that these trees were a big deal 394 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,388 so we went over to my buddy Todd's house-- 395 00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:46,690 - this is good, let's stop here. 396 00:34:01,572 --> 00:34:03,874 - Do you want to get out? 397 00:34:04,242 --> 00:34:06,977 - No. Let's just sit here for a while. 398 00:34:19,524 --> 00:34:21,458 So what happened? 399 00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:23,393 - Hmm? 400 00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:27,431 - D'you spray 'em? 401 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:29,066 - Oh, uh, no. 402 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:32,135 I guess there wasn't time for that. 403 00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:33,670 We... Todd's dad saw them, 404 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:35,672 and he freaked out. 405 00:34:35,674 --> 00:34:38,642 Which was cool to see an adult share your level 406 00:34:38,644 --> 00:34:40,477 of excitement about something. 407 00:34:40,479 --> 00:34:42,813 And he ran home 408 00:34:42,815 --> 00:34:45,482 and got on the landline and called another dad. 409 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:49,786 And the two of them got out there with ladders 410 00:34:49,788 --> 00:34:54,024 and these big old plastic buckets. 411 00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:57,994 And they got up there and just started yanking 412 00:34:57,996 --> 00:35:00,430 fistfuls of caterpillars. 413 00:35:00,432 --> 00:35:05,936 They were tent caterpillars, i found out later. 414 00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:07,871 And evidently, every couple years 415 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:11,174 there's just this explosion of them. 416 00:35:11,176 --> 00:35:12,642 So we get these adults 417 00:35:12,644 --> 00:35:16,346 and they're throwing caterpillars into the buckets. 418 00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:21,718 And we're eight so we're trying to be as helpful as possible. 419 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:26,056 And whenever these buckets would get nearly full, 420 00:35:26,058 --> 00:35:27,958 we would take 'em down. 421 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,128 And they were heavy. 422 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:33,797 We'd take em down, and there was a ditch nearby, 423 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:37,000 and we'd pour em out into the ditch and bring 'em back. 424 00:35:37,002 --> 00:35:42,539 And after probably an hour or so of this 425 00:35:42,541 --> 00:35:44,875 we'd gotten most of 'em off the trees, 426 00:35:44,877 --> 00:35:47,878 barring a couple dozen stragglers or so. 427 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,382 Meanwhile this ditch is waist-high full of caterpillars. 428 00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:55,685 And one of the dads went back to his house 429 00:35:55,687 --> 00:35:57,888 or his garage or something. 430 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:02,759 And he had got a gas can and brought it back. 431 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:08,498 And they were just about to start pouring it on this ditch. 432 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:12,435 Um, and then I just... 433 00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:16,840 Like, I just ran out there 434 00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,341 and grabbed a bucket 435 00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:22,445 and started grabbing caterpillars. 436 00:36:23,614 --> 00:36:25,582 - Why? 437 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:28,118 - I don't' know. 438 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,253 I didn't-- I certainly didn't know at the time. 439 00:36:30,255 --> 00:36:34,291 I think that it was just, 440 00:36:34,293 --> 00:36:36,026 ya know, i think was awful 441 00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:38,428 to see them about to get destroyed like that. 442 00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:41,298 I think that was really awful. 443 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,734 And I think I had the idea that maybe I could save some. 444 00:36:44,736 --> 00:36:46,036 I didn't know what for. 445 00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:48,271 Later on, i figured out something. 446 00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:53,944 But that initial impulse is tough to explain. 447 00:36:53,946 --> 00:36:57,814 They let me keep, like, uh, fifty or sixty of them 448 00:36:57,816 --> 00:36:59,382 and they... 449 00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:01,651 I had to promise to keep them away from the trees. 450 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:05,121 And, the adults, they backed all of us kids up, 451 00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:06,056 way, way, way, back, 452 00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:08,291 and one of them took the gas can 453 00:37:08,293 --> 00:37:09,926 and he poured gas all over the ditch, 454 00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:14,898 and another one flicked a match onto it. 455 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:21,238 And... just this enormous fireball. 456 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,273 And, uh... 457 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:25,175 - Let's get out. 458 00:38:05,983 --> 00:38:08,351 - Here we are again. 459 00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:13,056 - So what happened? 460 00:38:13,058 --> 00:38:15,191 - With what? 461 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,027 - Uh, caterpillars. 462 00:38:17,029 --> 00:38:18,862 - Oh. Does this coming out of my half-hour? 463 00:38:18,864 --> 00:38:20,630 - Keep it tight. - Okay. 464 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:23,066 - Uh, where was I? 465 00:38:23,501 --> 00:38:25,702 - Uh... fireball. 466 00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:27,537 - Yeah, right! - Pocket full of caterpillars. 467 00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:30,240 - Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, um... 468 00:38:30,242 --> 00:38:32,542 Have you ever heard the bill cosby routine 469 00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:36,212 about saving a snowball for the summer? 470 00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:37,714 Oh man. Okay. 471 00:38:37,716 --> 00:38:40,650 It's good. You should check it out. 472 00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,920 Anyway, so, uh, 473 00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:46,690 I've got these, like, fifty, sixty caterpillars 474 00:38:46,692 --> 00:38:50,160 and I figure I'll take 'em home, 475 00:38:50,162 --> 00:38:52,095 they turn into cocoon's and you know, 476 00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:53,563 in my little science brain, 477 00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:55,699 then I'd have butterflies, right? 478 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:59,402 A whole basket of butterflies to surprise my moms with. 479 00:38:59,404 --> 00:39:02,739 I thought it would be a very, very sweet gesture. 480 00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:06,242 They ended up separating when I was in college. 481 00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:10,380 And then my mom Cindy passed away last year. 482 00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:11,681 Which I'm sure you... 483 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:13,249 - Yeah, sorry. 484 00:39:13,251 --> 00:39:14,551 - Thank you for saying that. 485 00:39:14,553 --> 00:39:16,419 It is what it is. 486 00:39:16,421 --> 00:39:19,956 So, so Patrick's dad gives me this coffee can 487 00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:22,759 and I put 'em in there, and I take 'em home, 488 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:24,260 and I put 'em in the basement 489 00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:27,297 where I know nobody but me is ever going to look for them. 490 00:39:27,299 --> 00:39:33,770 And then I every day just keep bringing 'em leaves and water, 491 00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:35,739 and I wait. 492 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:39,976 But I notice something kind of weird is happening. 493 00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:41,444 I started, ya know, with like, 494 00:39:41,446 --> 00:39:44,047 fifty or sixty caterpillars, at least 495 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:47,817 and now at this point, maybe I've got thirty tops. 496 00:39:47,819 --> 00:39:50,954 So, I can them out of the coffee tin, 497 00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:53,556 I picked out a couple dead ones, 498 00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:56,960 but it didn't make sense, the math didn't add up. 499 00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:58,628 And then a couple days later 500 00:39:58,630 --> 00:40:01,131 I figured out what was going on. 501 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:03,900 Ya know, start with fifty, 502 00:40:04,335 --> 00:40:11,408 thirty, twenty, ten, and then finally three. 503 00:40:12,843 --> 00:40:18,581 Three enormous, disgusting caterpillars 504 00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,483 with the remains of all of their brothers 505 00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:22,952 and sisters inside of them. 506 00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:25,989 You can imagine the feelings that I had as a kid. 507 00:40:25,991 --> 00:40:30,660 This was supposed to be this really sweet thing for my moms, 508 00:40:30,662 --> 00:40:34,631 and it had become a nightmare. 509 00:40:34,633 --> 00:40:36,833 I took 'em out onto the concrete, 510 00:40:36,835 --> 00:40:39,502 grabbed a big hammer, 511 00:40:39,504 --> 00:40:44,774 and I smashed down as hard as I fucking could. 512 00:40:53,417 --> 00:40:56,219 I never told anybody that story. 513 00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:03,860 What? 514 00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:08,731 - What? 515 00:41:14,505 --> 00:41:16,206 - Why would you tell me that story? 516 00:41:16,208 --> 00:41:19,342 - I don't know. I don't know. 517 00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:21,377 I wanted to tell a story. 518 00:41:21,379 --> 00:41:23,480 I don't like silence, i just started talking. 519 00:41:23,482 --> 00:41:25,081 It came-- I don't-- 520 00:41:25,083 --> 00:41:27,917 - jeez, Louise. - Okay. Okay... 521 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:35,859 What?! 522 00:41:35,861 --> 00:41:37,760 - It's just, it's, uh... 523 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:44,033 - I assume there's some kind of encryption key. 524 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:48,004 - In 2010 and 2011, you lived with a woman, right? 525 00:41:48,006 --> 00:41:49,706 - Yeah. 526 00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,207 - Your current license plate number 527 00:41:51,209 --> 00:41:54,544 and her mother's maiden name, interchanged. 528 00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:56,746 But everything reversed. 529 00:41:56,748 --> 00:42:00,583 So, last digit of the license plate first, 530 00:42:00,585 --> 00:42:03,353 then last of the name. 531 00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,255 Then it alternates. Make sense? 532 00:42:05,257 --> 00:42:10,260 - Five, a, nine, I. 533 00:42:10,262 --> 00:42:12,262 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like that, right? 534 00:42:12,264 --> 00:42:14,197 - First letter of the last name cap, 535 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,032 the rest lowercase. 536 00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:18,601 License plate number all caps. 537 00:42:18,603 --> 00:42:19,702 - Okay. 538 00:42:19,704 --> 00:42:21,905 So these files contain what exactly? 539 00:42:21,907 --> 00:42:23,306 - About two-thousand names. 540 00:42:23,308 --> 00:42:26,776 Their last known location, previous address, 541 00:42:26,778 --> 00:42:28,978 profession sometimes, social security number, 542 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:31,214 phone, email, ip. 543 00:42:31,216 --> 00:42:32,982 - And what is important about them? 544 00:42:32,984 --> 00:42:35,285 - You're going to have to find out. 545 00:42:36,654 --> 00:42:38,888 - What prompted this change of heart? 546 00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:40,790 Is it what this list is, or represents? 547 00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:42,592 Something in the news-- 548 00:42:42,594 --> 00:42:45,628 - what do you mean, change of heart? 549 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:48,131 - A shift of values. 550 00:42:48,133 --> 00:42:51,834 I mean, it sounds like something of an awakening, no? 551 00:42:51,836 --> 00:42:53,436 - No. 552 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:55,738 - No? 553 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,641 - No, I haven't had a change of heart. 554 00:42:58,643 --> 00:43:00,643 - Then why are you doing this? 555 00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:03,580 - Because I hold what I do to a high standard. 556 00:43:03,582 --> 00:43:06,849 I think cleaning ourselves of what's on that drive 557 00:43:06,851 --> 00:43:09,319 makes us better, stronger. 558 00:43:09,321 --> 00:43:12,622 - And you don't conflate whatever these abuses are 559 00:43:12,624 --> 00:43:15,124 to the core of what you do? 560 00:43:15,126 --> 00:43:17,660 - You don't think what I do is very valuable, do you? 561 00:43:17,662 --> 00:43:19,262 - I think that we shouldn't get into it. - No. 562 00:43:19,264 --> 00:43:20,496 - Let's stick to facts. 563 00:43:20,498 --> 00:43:22,665 - No, no. Let's get into it. 564 00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:25,301 Here, let's start with this. 565 00:43:25,303 --> 00:43:30,006 This, this device that you think affords you privacy, 566 00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:31,941 did you make this? 567 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:32,942 - I get it. 568 00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:34,844 - Do you? 569 00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:36,980 This incredibly complex device 570 00:43:36,982 --> 00:43:39,649 with thousands of precise components 571 00:43:39,651 --> 00:43:41,818 assembled by people whose lives are shit 572 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:42,986 working for you. 573 00:43:42,988 --> 00:43:44,120 Are you under the impression 574 00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,356 that you are just some fortunate guy. 575 00:43:46,358 --> 00:43:50,126 And the rest of the world wants to work with poor eyesight 576 00:43:50,128 --> 00:43:51,661 and hungry stomachs and bloody fingers 577 00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:53,896 for you to amuse yourself? 578 00:43:53,898 --> 00:43:56,232 These things do not just happen. 579 00:43:56,234 --> 00:44:00,303 People wield power to make them happen. 580 00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:03,172 If you honestly think you could enjoy 581 00:44:03,174 --> 00:44:05,074 anything close to your lifestyle: 582 00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:08,144 Your iPads and your fair trade coffee 583 00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:11,214 and your discount airfares, and your press freedoms, 584 00:44:11,216 --> 00:44:15,852 without the threat of enormous power behind you, 585 00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:17,887 you're delusional. 586 00:44:17,889 --> 00:44:19,722 You are a party to these actions, 587 00:44:19,724 --> 00:44:23,092 you are complicit, and deep down you know it. 588 00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:27,864 I do what I do because someone has to. 589 00:44:27,866 --> 00:44:30,900 This world is chaos and fear 590 00:44:30,902 --> 00:44:32,402 and desperation and violence, 591 00:44:32,404 --> 00:44:35,104 and the only thing that has ever brought any security 592 00:44:35,106 --> 00:44:36,506 and order to it 593 00:44:36,508 --> 00:44:40,243 is the careful and ruthless application of power. 594 00:44:56,226 --> 00:44:58,361 Get in the car. 595 00:45:07,671 --> 00:45:10,273 Go, go, go, go , go! 596 00:45:11,975 --> 00:45:13,710 Okay, go. 597 00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:33,396 - Are they FBI? 598 00:45:33,398 --> 00:45:35,331 - No. 599 00:45:40,037 --> 00:45:42,138 - Oh shit. 600 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:54,951 Fuck. 601 00:45:54,953 --> 00:45:57,286 Shit, shit. 602 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:13,603 So if they're not cops, 603 00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:15,772 they clearly have my license plate. 604 00:46:17,474 --> 00:46:19,275 They gonna figure out who I am? 605 00:46:19,277 --> 00:46:22,111 Are they going to come harass me back home? 606 00:46:24,314 --> 00:46:26,449 - Are they? - I don't know. 607 00:46:26,451 --> 00:46:28,017 - You think if I thought any of this would've happened 608 00:46:28,019 --> 00:46:30,520 I would have come out here? 609 00:46:30,522 --> 00:46:33,356 - You know what, i have not done anything wrong. 610 00:46:33,358 --> 00:46:34,791 Have I? 611 00:46:34,793 --> 00:46:36,058 What have I done? I met you, we talked. 612 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:38,961 I told you a story about fucking caterpillars. 613 00:46:38,963 --> 00:46:40,797 Huh, right? 614 00:46:44,168 --> 00:46:47,069 - I need you to throw the USB drive out the window. 615 00:46:48,672 --> 00:46:50,640 - Okay, hang on. 616 00:46:51,074 --> 00:46:52,842 - What do you think is going on here? 617 00:46:52,844 --> 00:46:56,045 Do you think these are just some rednecks fucking with us? 618 00:46:56,047 --> 00:46:57,814 You asked if we broke any laws, 619 00:46:57,816 --> 00:46:58,981 the better question is whether 620 00:46:58,983 --> 00:47:01,217 there's anything of value inside this car. 621 00:47:01,219 --> 00:47:02,585 There are two things. 622 00:47:02,587 --> 00:47:05,421 What's on that drive and what's in my head. 623 00:47:05,423 --> 00:47:08,891 You are only in possession of one of them. 624 00:47:08,893 --> 00:47:09,826 - Yeah. 625 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:12,228 Yeah, okay. 626 00:47:14,298 --> 00:47:17,033 - Wait until there's a turn. I don't want them to see it. 627 00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:46,395 When I tell you I want you to throw it as hard as you can 628 00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:48,064 away from the road. 629 00:47:48,832 --> 00:47:50,199 You ready? 630 00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:09,585 Now! 631 00:48:20,965 --> 00:48:22,331 Thank you. 632 00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,400 - Well, it is what it is. 633 00:48:40,417 --> 00:48:42,752 - How does this thing do off road? 634 00:48:42,754 --> 00:48:45,521 - I live in Chicago. I don't know. 635 00:48:45,722 --> 00:48:48,257 - If we get the chance i might need to drive. 636 00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:50,192 - Okay. 637 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,503 - Shit. 638 00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:02,338 We need a bridge. 639 00:49:04,908 --> 00:49:07,176 Does it narrow? Does it get any narrower? 640 00:49:07,178 --> 00:49:09,278 - I do not know what you're trying to ask me right now. 641 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,514 - Never mind, just keep it steady. 642 00:49:11,516 --> 00:49:14,350 - I don't know what you think I've been doing up here. 643 00:49:15,619 --> 00:49:17,954 - Does this back window open? 644 00:49:18,722 --> 00:49:20,790 - No. What are you doing? 645 00:49:25,062 --> 00:49:27,797 - Is there anything identifying you in this bag? 646 00:49:27,799 --> 00:49:29,665 - Uh, yeah, my stuff. 647 00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:32,702 - Anything sewn into the lining. Anything like that? 648 00:49:32,704 --> 00:49:34,236 - I don't know. 649 00:49:34,238 --> 00:49:36,806 What are you-- what are you gonna do? 650 00:49:42,446 --> 00:49:44,413 Whoa, whoa, what the fuck! 651 00:49:44,415 --> 00:49:46,983 - They'll stop for it. Keep driving. 652 00:49:51,922 --> 00:49:53,489 Speed up! 653 00:49:54,758 --> 00:49:57,727 And watch for the next car you see coming towards us. 654 00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:02,598 As soon as you see it I want you to pull into their Lane 655 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,166 and stop immediately. 656 00:50:04,168 --> 00:50:06,402 - You want me to run head first into another car? 657 00:50:06,404 --> 00:50:09,271 I want you to block their Lane. 658 00:50:09,273 --> 00:50:12,408 - If I can. I'm not going to hit anybody. 659 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,898 Alright, I think I see one. 660 00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:38,134 - Pull into their Lane. 661 00:50:43,473 --> 00:50:44,707 - Shit. 662 00:50:44,709 --> 00:50:46,742 Jesus Christ... 663 00:50:51,815 --> 00:50:53,582 - Come forward please! 664 00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:54,784 Let's go! 665 00:50:54,786 --> 00:50:57,053 Keep it to this side. Let's go, let's go! 666 00:50:59,156 --> 00:51:00,089 Good. 667 00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:01,657 Cut it this way! This way, ma'am. 668 00:51:01,659 --> 00:51:03,392 Let's go. This way. C'mon, c'mon! 669 00:51:03,394 --> 00:51:05,094 Go. Go. Go. 670 00:51:06,496 --> 00:51:08,731 Ma'am, we have a situation on the road up ahead. 671 00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:10,733 I need you to step out of your vehicle. 672 00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:12,635 I need your keys ma'am. 673 00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:14,904 Thank you very much. 674 00:51:46,436 --> 00:51:48,370 - What are we doing? 675 00:51:48,372 --> 00:51:50,639 - I'm sorry to get you into this. 676 00:51:50,641 --> 00:51:52,608 - Into what? 677 00:51:54,411 --> 00:51:57,146 - Debra, into what? - Can you please not say my name? 678 00:51:57,981 --> 00:51:59,782 - Look, it's my car, alright? 679 00:51:59,784 --> 00:52:03,486 If you're in such peril that i can't even say your name 680 00:52:03,488 --> 00:52:05,855 out loud in my car... 681 00:52:07,157 --> 00:52:09,125 Where does that put me? 682 00:52:09,127 --> 00:52:11,694 - I didn't mean for any of this to happen. 683 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,664 For now at least we're in this together. 684 00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:17,700 - In what? 685 00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:22,037 - What are we in? - In this situation. 686 00:52:24,908 --> 00:52:26,175 - That's all that you're gonna say. 687 00:52:26,177 --> 00:52:28,978 - That's all I really know. 688 00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:34,416 - Who are the people who are following us? 689 00:52:34,418 --> 00:52:36,652 - I don't know. 690 00:52:38,188 --> 00:52:41,857 - You don't know, or you don't trust me enough to say? 691 00:52:58,141 --> 00:52:59,542 - I don't. 692 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:03,179 - I'm sorry. 693 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:08,851 - Keep going. 694 00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,119 We can finally get away from them. 695 00:53:10,121 --> 00:53:11,453 - Keep driving. - Why? 696 00:53:11,455 --> 00:53:13,355 - Tell me why. 697 00:53:17,961 --> 00:53:20,196 - Please. 698 00:53:24,467 --> 00:53:26,268 - That's not good enough. 699 00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:27,803 - No. 700 00:53:27,805 --> 00:53:29,038 Leave me your keys! 701 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,806 That way you can tell them I stole your car! 702 00:53:30,808 --> 00:53:32,474 - You would be stealing my car. 703 00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:40,482 - No. 704 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:10,613 - I need to report a reckless driver, please. 705 00:54:11,014 --> 00:54:14,016 Yeah, I'm east of the 397. 706 00:54:14,018 --> 00:54:16,685 It's maybe kirk road? 707 00:54:16,687 --> 00:54:18,120 Huh? 708 00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:22,958 Yeah, I don't know... 709 00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:48,690 I'm sorry. 710 00:59:19,188 --> 00:59:20,656 - Five. 711 00:59:20,658 --> 00:59:22,491 Lowercase a. 712 00:59:22,493 --> 00:59:23,959 Nine. 713 00:59:23,961 --> 00:59:25,727 Lowercase I. 714 00:59:25,729 --> 00:59:26,828 Five. 715 00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:28,597 Lowercase c. 716 00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,399 Capital r. 717 00:59:30,401 --> 00:59:32,167 R. 718 00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:33,735 Capital u. 719 00:59:34,938 --> 00:59:36,638 Lowercase a. 720 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,307 Capital t. 721 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:40,142 Capital g. 722 00:59:58,061 --> 00:59:59,428 Yep. 723 01:02:17,033 --> 01:02:19,801 - You have to let me call a lawyer. 724 01:02:19,803 --> 01:02:21,603 My name is Abe richek. 725 01:02:21,605 --> 01:02:24,005 I'm a journalist. I work for... 726 01:02:24,007 --> 01:02:25,574 I work for the Chicago Mercury 727 01:02:25,576 --> 01:02:28,910 and you can call my publisher to confirm that. 728 01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:31,513 I have not committed a crime. 729 01:02:31,515 --> 01:02:33,014 I have not broken any laws. 730 01:02:33,016 --> 01:02:36,318 So, you need to charge me with something or let me go. 731 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,088 This is a blatant-- 732 01:02:50,366 --> 01:02:52,367 I haven't done anything. 733 01:03:25,168 --> 01:03:28,136 - Tent caterpillars hatch in June. 734 01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:32,674 - What? 735 01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:39,815 - Tent caterpillars in north America hatch in early summer. 736 01:03:39,817 --> 01:03:43,084 Cherry trees blossom in march. 737 01:03:43,086 --> 01:03:45,654 - Who are you? 738 01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:48,390 Mesmer? 739 01:03:48,991 --> 01:03:50,992 Sgc? 740 01:03:52,328 --> 01:03:54,529 Ziki? 741 01:03:54,531 --> 01:03:57,399 Let me contact my supervisors. 742 01:03:57,401 --> 01:03:58,900 We can work this out. 743 01:03:58,902 --> 01:04:00,769 - It is worked out. 744 01:04:00,771 --> 01:04:02,337 I'm sorry. 745 01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:04,840 - No! No! Wait! 746 01:05:11,741 --> 01:05:15,410 Shit. Shit, shit, shit, shit. 747 01:05:16,879 --> 01:05:18,179 Okay. 748 01:05:18,181 --> 01:05:20,615 Okay, okay. 749 01:05:46,909 --> 01:05:48,677 Okay. 750 01:06:25,448 --> 01:06:26,414 Fuck! 751 01:06:26,416 --> 01:06:28,750 Ah, shit. 752 01:06:34,256 --> 01:06:35,824 Um... 753 01:07:04,553 --> 01:07:06,688 Okay, okay. 754 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:20,402 Oh. 755 01:07:43,192 --> 01:07:45,126 Ah! 756 01:07:55,338 --> 01:07:57,105 Fuck. 757 01:08:05,247 --> 01:08:07,582 Okay, okay. 758 01:14:14,249 --> 01:14:16,050 - Hey, stop the car. 759 01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:17,985 Pull over. 760 01:15:29,292 --> 01:15:31,726 You know, i grew up around here. 761 01:15:34,496 --> 01:15:36,964 - Really? 762 01:15:36,966 --> 01:15:39,333 - On the other side of the river in hermiston. 763 01:15:42,804 --> 01:15:44,639 - Things change much? 764 01:15:45,474 --> 01:15:47,208 - Some things. 765 01:15:48,477 --> 01:15:50,545 My old house is gone. 766 01:15:50,547 --> 01:15:52,980 New owners tore down. Not sure why. 767 01:15:54,249 --> 01:15:57,818 Makes me think of this one time I was a kid. 768 01:15:57,820 --> 01:16:01,889 I had this friend, Todd moray. 769 01:16:01,891 --> 01:16:04,158 I remember his dad was always out of work and on welfare, 770 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,327 but he had this job once, 771 01:16:06,329 --> 01:16:09,630 where he worked at this place called Saxon shoes. 772 01:16:09,632 --> 01:16:11,098 It was a shoe store downtown 773 01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:12,934 where they used to take an X-ray of your foot 774 01:16:12,936 --> 01:16:15,670 to determine the shoe size. 775 01:16:15,672 --> 01:16:17,471 One summer Todd and i are down by the creek 776 01:16:17,473 --> 01:16:20,241 next to the houses where we lived. 777 01:16:20,243 --> 01:16:23,177 We found this pair of box turtles. 778 01:16:23,179 --> 01:16:26,247 One was a little bit lighter than the other. 779 01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:30,818 And Todd had the idea that we'd take these things as pets. 780 01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:32,420 Which meant we had to choose our favorites. 781 01:16:32,422 --> 01:16:35,289 And I remember Todd ran for the bigger, darker one, 782 01:16:35,291 --> 01:16:38,259 which we assumed was male. 783 01:16:38,261 --> 01:16:40,528 And I got the smaller, lighter one, 784 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:43,698 which we assumed was female. 785 01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:48,803 He called his boxo and I called mine boxie. 786 01:16:48,805 --> 01:16:51,539 Later that day we took out our pocket knives 787 01:16:51,541 --> 01:16:55,509 and carved markings into their backs. 788 01:16:55,511 --> 01:17:01,282 He carved out an o and I carved out an x. 789 01:17:01,284 --> 01:17:03,217 It wasn't even to tell 'em apart. 790 01:17:03,219 --> 01:17:06,187 I mean, it was easy because of the color of their shell. 791 01:17:07,889 --> 01:17:11,292 This was to tell the universe that they were ours. 792 01:17:12,894 --> 01:17:17,365 So we built them these, these big cardboard houses 793 01:17:17,367 --> 01:17:21,969 that we stuffed full of mulch and dirt and grass clippings. 794 01:17:21,971 --> 01:17:26,073 And we fed them caterpillars and slugs, 795 01:17:26,075 --> 01:17:28,209 and lettuce and carrots. 796 01:17:28,211 --> 01:17:30,578 And when we could we'd meet at this common area 797 01:17:30,580 --> 01:17:32,079 in between our rows of houses 798 01:17:32,081 --> 01:17:34,715 and takes them for walks on leashes. 799 01:17:34,717 --> 01:17:35,983 But it was never very orderly 800 01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:37,585 because one of them would go straight 801 01:17:37,587 --> 01:17:40,054 and the other one would walk in a circle. 802 01:17:40,056 --> 01:17:42,723 Or vice versa. 803 01:17:42,725 --> 01:17:44,659 By the end of the summer my parents told me 804 01:17:44,661 --> 01:17:46,994 I had to get rid of my turtle. 805 01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:50,931 To them it wasn't a pet, it was a wild animal. 806 01:17:50,933 --> 01:17:53,067 But I'd really grown to like the thing. 807 01:17:53,069 --> 01:17:55,102 I'm sure boxie didn't feel the same way about it, 808 01:17:55,104 --> 01:17:56,270 but I was eight. 809 01:17:56,272 --> 01:17:57,738 It's a selfish age. 810 01:17:57,740 --> 01:17:59,740 So my parents set a deadline. 811 01:17:59,742 --> 01:18:02,777 I had to get rid of the turtle the day before school. 812 01:18:02,779 --> 01:18:06,614 And I remember I waited 'til the very last second. 813 01:18:06,616 --> 01:18:09,116 On labor day. 814 01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,054 There were dark clouds in the sky 815 01:18:13,056 --> 01:18:14,622 and you could feel the pressure dropping 816 01:18:14,624 --> 01:18:16,757 right before a big storm. 817 01:18:16,759 --> 01:18:20,461 But my dad was insistent. 818 01:18:20,463 --> 01:18:24,298 So I took boxie out to the creek where I found her, 819 01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:26,801 and I let her go. 820 01:18:26,803 --> 01:18:28,969 And every time Todd and I would go back there we'd look for her 821 01:18:28,971 --> 01:18:32,273 but I never found her. 822 01:18:32,275 --> 01:18:34,875 Figured the storm got her. 823 01:18:37,012 --> 01:18:39,380 Then after summer it was fall. 824 01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:43,150 And after fall, of course, winter. 825 01:18:43,152 --> 01:18:46,754 And boxo, Todd's turtle goes into hibernation. 826 01:18:46,756 --> 01:18:52,093 But that February we had this unseasonable warm, 827 01:18:52,095 --> 01:18:54,662 and the temperatures got up to about 70. 828 01:18:54,664 --> 01:18:57,832 And everyone's outside in their t-shirts, 829 01:18:57,834 --> 01:19:03,003 and all of sudden boxo comes out of hibernation. 830 01:19:03,005 --> 01:19:05,806 And Todd's out there taking him for walks, 831 01:19:05,808 --> 01:19:08,075 and I'm jealous. 832 01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:10,277 But then sun goes away. 833 01:19:11,379 --> 01:19:14,982 The warm spell ends and it's winter again. 834 01:19:14,984 --> 01:19:18,185 Boxo can't go back into hibernation. 835 01:19:18,187 --> 01:19:21,255 So after a few days, he dies. 836 01:21:39,527 --> 01:21:41,462 - So is that it? 837 01:21:43,598 --> 01:21:45,466 - Basically. 838 01:21:47,068 --> 01:21:49,837 Two turtles found, two turtles dead. 839 01:21:51,273 --> 01:21:53,407 Then a few years ago I'm back there with my little girl 840 01:21:53,409 --> 01:21:56,143 and I'm showing her the old neighborhood. 841 01:21:56,145 --> 01:22:00,314 Introducing her to a few of my relatives that are still around. 842 01:22:00,316 --> 01:22:01,615 And it's hot, cuz it's summer, 843 01:22:01,617 --> 01:22:04,685 so I take her down to the old creek. 844 01:22:04,687 --> 01:22:06,787 And she's picking dandelions and running around, 845 01:22:06,789 --> 01:22:10,090 and she says "hey, dad, look there's a turtle." 846 01:22:12,294 --> 01:22:15,663 So, I go down there and sure enough 847 01:22:15,665 --> 01:22:20,267 there's a turtle with a clumsy x scrawled into its back. 848 01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:27,875 Like it had just been waiting there for me. 849 01:22:27,877 --> 01:22:30,444 Like time had just stood still... 850 01:22:33,415 --> 01:22:35,349 - Hmm. 851 01:22:35,351 --> 01:22:37,518 - You never can tell. 852 01:22:40,422 --> 01:22:41,555 - Here you go. 853 01:22:41,557 --> 01:22:43,057 - Thanks. 854 01:22:43,059 --> 01:22:44,224 - Take car. 855 01:22:44,226 --> 01:22:46,460 - Yeah. You too.