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12 years ago,
I picked up a camera

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and started to film Roy Gurvitz.

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He was the driving force
behind Lost Vagueness,

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the festival within the festival

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and the invention
which saved Glastonbury.

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I knew he was a winner, you see.

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I supported him
right from the word go.

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The Lost Vagueness thing
was very good.

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He brought
this incredible element

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to the festival,
which was this partying,

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this Lost Vagueness and
everything that it brought in

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and all the tribes
involved in it.

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It was just amazing.

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It was providing an excitement

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that had to be there.

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Without it, Glastonbury
probably would've died.

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I thought Glastonbury
was quite out there,

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and yet someone
within Glastonbury

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was running something
even more out there.

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There was something
about the chaos that he loved

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and stoked and celebrated

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and actually that's kind of
one of the things

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that made it brilliant.

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But it wasn't possible
to carry on like that.

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We nearly destroyed ourselves
and each other.

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Whoa!

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Glastonbury is one of
the most famous festivals

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in the world

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and now much more
than a music festival.

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Roy is one of the people
who helped change this.

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We weren't selling the
tickets like we should've done.

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It wasn't a sellout situation.

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So I thought, "What can I do
to put out something different?"

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And Roy was doing
the ballroom dancing

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and hiring in
the gowns and stuff.

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‐ Hi, Roy.
‐ Hi. How are you doing?

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Thank you for allowing us
into your oasis of civilization.

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You're welcome.

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Ballroom dancing. Why?

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Well, it's s just an excuse
to get people dressed up

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and have a bit of fun
and have a laugh.

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Most of the people that come
in here do want to take part.

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Michael, big fan
of ballroom dancing?

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Not really, no.

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I announced it to the world
and it went everywhere,

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Australia, America.

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We sold the last of the tickets

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because of
the ballroom dancing story.

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Extraordinary, wasn't it?

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So I really feel
I owe Roy a favor

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because of
the ballroom dancing thing.

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Roy's eight and a half
years younger than me.

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He got all the love
because he was a baby.

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My father had
a really, really bad temper.

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When he was in a good mood,
he could be a lot of fun,

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he was always singing
and playing games,

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but he had a dark side.

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This'll give you an idea
of what my father was like.

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That's my mum, and you can see
how beautiful she was.

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And that was my dad.
Can you see?

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With the gold chain,
and very clean,

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very smart, very dapper.

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Now, I never discussed
politics or religion

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ever with my father.

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But for some reason, Roy,

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this is when he was a lot older,
when he was a teenager,

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started arguing about...
I think it was about religion,

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and Roy stormed out and said,

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"I hope I never see you again
as long as I live."

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And that was when he cut himself
off from everybody.

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'Cause I never saw him for
20 years. Neither did my mum.

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Every year
they become more visible.

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Every summer more and more young
people opt for what they see

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as the freedom of life
on the open road.

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But what they encounter is
the hostility of local residents

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and the attention of the police
who regularly move them on

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from sites that
they're occupying illegally.

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I'm a county court bailiff.
I'm here from...

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I did go and try and make
my own way in life,

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and I suppose
if home life had been better,

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I would've carried on
living at home.

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I left at the end of the '70s
and you'd got the miner strike,

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the whole traveler thing,
I lived on the road,

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there was the squatting thing
going on, Margaret Thatcher.

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I'm only too
delighted to do anything we can

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to make life difficult for
such things as hippie convoys.

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I've been beaten up by
the police, I've been arrested,

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thrown out of squats,
had vehicles taken,

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do you know what I mean,
this whole sense of

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it all just seems really unfair.

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Roy was a traveler,
you know, in the '80s,

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and he was kind of
a gang leader type.

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Travelers were always
a massive part of the festival.

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But from a child's perspective,
'cause I was about 10 or 11,

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there were elements of it which
were a little bit unsettling.

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Well, I met Roy,
I'd just gone on the road,

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thrown away all my
bricks and mortar existence

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and bought a truck
and was just living in that,

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and we were coming down
to Glastonbury,

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and Roy came
sort of shambling up,

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and he hadn't got a vehicle
or anything then

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and he wanted to be
my hitchhiker.

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She just sort of dropped me off

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and threw me out
in the middle of a field

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and then left me there
and drove off,

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which is kind of, you know,
it's what women do, isn't it?

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He'd never been
to Glastonbury before.

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But I will say he did manage
to blag us in somehow.

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He's quite kind of verbose,
isn't he,

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and he's got a lot to say,
he's got a lot of ideas,

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and everything's wrong
and all that.

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I have memories of just watching
my dad and Roy interact,

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and it was, like, mostly funny
and also quite aggressive.

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There were times
when I was, like,

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"I think he's talking the piss
out of you."

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He was kind of troublesome,
but on the other hand

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I thought I could deal
with this bloke,

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and he became a link for us,

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between me
and the travelers, really.

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Things were really good
for a while

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and then there were
all the riots in 1990.

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We just wanna go somewhere!

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Glastonbury had become...

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effectively out of control.

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There were Molotov cocktails

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being thrown outside the window

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and kind of telegraph poles
coming towards us,

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and that was really scary
at that point.

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I got taken
up to my granny's house,

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which was up
at the top of the road,

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and all I could see
were ambulances just coming out.

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I was, like,
"What's going on down there?"

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It felt like
the end of the world.

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It had to change
'cause it was fucking horrible.

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It was violent,
it was nasty, it was...

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Yeah, it was either
gonna die a death

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or something major...
major had to happen.

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Michael asked me

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whether I would come
and help him

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sort of restructure
the festival.

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And I took on the responsibility

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of having
the entertainment license

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and... and running the festival,
effectively.

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I just started telling people

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we need to get
a lot more creative

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if we want this to continue,

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making it presentable
and changing the look

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from being quite crusty
and aggressive,

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you know, everyone's wearing
paramilitary clothing.

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Wanker.

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We had such a bad reputation.

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We were, like, really getting
slagged off everywhere.

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Everyone called us crusties.

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The fucking press
used to shit on Glastonbury.

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It was, like,
mud‐hell crusty city.

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A few years later
we came up with the idea of

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why don't we just wear dicky
bows and tuxedos and ballgowns,

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put the men in women's clothes?

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And it altered everything.

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It made everything
entirely different.

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The same people, but suddenly
people were going, "Wow."

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And out of that was born
Lost Vagueness.

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♪ You're doing me right

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♪ It's a perfect night...

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I'd been doing bars there

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for 10 years before
Lost Vagueness even started,

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and I just thought,
yeah, we'll do a cafe

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with a...
with a casino behind it.

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And it was only half a dozen
of us and a roulette table

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and we made it look like there
was a whole casino going on.

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Everybody wanted
to get in there.

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So the following year we put it
up and we let people in.

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And that was a big mistake.

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To let people in?
It was packed. Oh, alright.

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No, no, no,
you're missing the point.

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It worked beautifully
as this illusionary space

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that didn't really exist
that people could see.

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Once you let them in,
the magic's over, isn't it?

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It's like showing someone...

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showing someone
how to do a magic trick.

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The magic's gone.

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But... Well, it was for me,

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but it... obviously
it carried on, as you well know.

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After the success
of the ballroom and the casino,

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Lost Vagueness became
the official after‐party

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in Glastonbury.

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I found them all in various
asylums up and down the country,

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asked them if they'd like
to come out for the day

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and a lot of them said yes.

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Look at the back of that lorry.
Look how well packed it is.

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How long does it take to plan?

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I suppose a good six months

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of solidly concentrating
on this particular event.

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You've got the to‐do list,
I take it.

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‐ I met Roy when I was 17.
‐ Yeah.

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That's a fucking long time ago.

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♪ I like cake and no mistake

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♪ But, baby, if you insist

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♪ I'll cut out cake

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♪ Just for your sake

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♪ Baby, come on
Knock me a kiss...

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I'd been doing a cabaret
called the Velvet Tip Saloon.

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Roy asked us to do a sort of
exotic weird cabaret thing.

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It started off just being,
like, a £5 gazebo from Argos

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with some fabric
hanging up in it.

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People were starting their own
little interesting side projects

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which all ended up being the
sum total of Lost Vagueness.

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I've got to put together
the guest list,

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which is, as usual, enormous,

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and help Netty

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and then get changed into

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a really brilliant costume.

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The whole night
is about Leila's costume.

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‐ Come on, what is...?
‐ No, I can't tell you.

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‐ It's in that suitcase.
‐ Oh, Leila.

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Just do a baby preview.
We can shut the door, lock it.

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I can't, because,
do you know what, it will...

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it's so exciting, you're just
gonna peak too early

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and the whole rest of the night

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will be
a massive disappointment.

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It's really thrilling
being part of something.

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When you sit down
and you talk about your life,

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you talk about
the interesting bits,

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not, like, I'm really fulfilled,
I'm a mother, you know.

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You just say, like, I once did
this ridiculous thing,

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listen to this story, you know,

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and invariably they're all about
Lost Vagueness.

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I was constantly amazed
by Roy's ability to rope in

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this incredible array
of creative people

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who turned Lost Vagueness from
a small corner of Glastonbury

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into a massive subculture
of its own.

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I started DJing in the casino

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and Roy said, "I really want
everyone to play classic."

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I said, "Well, what about jazz?"

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"Let's go with jazz, shall we?"

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It was high time
there was an alternative

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to rave and repetitive beats.

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We were all
sick to death of that.

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Lost Vagueness
encouraged me to look back

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to what people
were raving to in the '20s.

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What were they raving to
in the '30s?

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All this really wonderful music
became completely relevant

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to the space
and the look and costumes,

244
00:13:52,432 --> 00:13:54,200
and you weren't allowed in there

245
00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:56,136
unless you looked
incredibly theatrical.

246
00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:59,139
I went along and I used to
just kind of sleep

247
00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:02,609
and go into the casino about
five o'clock in the morning.

248
00:14:02,643 --> 00:14:06,547
And I just thought, "This place
needs dancing girls."

249
00:14:09,583 --> 00:14:12,653
That was the start
of the infamous can‐can girls,

250
00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:15,088
the face of Lost Vagueness.

251
00:14:22,228 --> 00:14:24,364
People thought
I was crazy dealing with Roy.

252
00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:27,901
All my team said, "Why do you
put up with all that grief?"

253
00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:29,936
and all that sort of thing,
and I said,

254
00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,672
"Because he does
a good show, you see."

255
00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:34,307
This is Lost Vagueness,

256
00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:37,010
the field of Roy.

257
00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:39,245
Yeah, they're all done
by folk, really.

258
00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,281
It's quite edgy.
It's quite sort of...

259
00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:42,983
‐ Does it feel more... ‐ Roy!

260
00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,318
‐ You made it in the end.
‐ How are you?

261
00:14:45,351 --> 00:14:48,154
You're looking very, very smart.
A typical traveler.

262
00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:51,457
He's been dressed up posh
like this.

263
00:14:51,491 --> 00:14:54,394
‐ People, welcome to the casino.
‐ Hello.

264
00:14:54,427 --> 00:14:56,530
That's nice, little pink number.

265
00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:59,032
Have you not got a shirt...
a tie on, young man?

266
00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:00,934
‐ No, I haven't.
‐ Fasten yourself up.

267
00:15:00,967 --> 00:15:04,671
It's a good job you're sexy.
Go on. That's nice.

268
00:15:04,705 --> 00:15:07,307
I met Roy at an exhibition,

269
00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:08,900
and I were just
gobbing off at somebody.

270
00:15:08,924 --> 00:15:10,711
He says,
"You're just what I need."

271
00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:14,214
It's a good laugh, but the mud's
no good in stilettos.

272
00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:15,982
It's a bit of a nightmare.

273
00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:17,684
Somebody said
you could get dressed up

274
00:15:17,718 --> 00:15:21,522
and... I thought that was an
entertaining idea, so here I am.

275
00:15:21,555 --> 00:15:24,057
- ‐ This is a little big.
- ‐ Wear a dress.

276
00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:27,160
Men in dresses are much sexier
than men in suits.

277
00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:29,930
Show me a dress
I could fit into.

278
00:15:31,331 --> 00:15:33,233
‐ There you go.
‐ Ladies and gentlemen...

279
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,601
I didn't exactly expect this.

280
00:15:34,635 --> 00:15:37,203
Where the fuck did you get that?

281
00:15:37,237 --> 00:15:39,640
‐ Let your hair down.
‐ Hair down. Hair down, darling.

282
00:15:39,673 --> 00:15:41,642
Hair down.

283
00:15:41,675 --> 00:15:44,210
Oh, my God.
Now I'm getting styled.

284
00:15:44,244 --> 00:15:46,713
Now look at the camera, baby.

285
00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:52,085
I snogged two blokes last night,

286
00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:55,556
and as a, you know, bona fide,
confirmed straight guy,

287
00:15:55,589 --> 00:15:57,624
I'm a bit worried

288
00:15:57,658 --> 00:16:00,226
that Lost Vagueness is having
a bit too much influence on me.

289
00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:03,764
All the transsexuals and all
that, it just kind of burst.

290
00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:06,399
‐ The gay scene has arrived.
‐ It's so lovely to see that.

291
00:16:06,432 --> 00:16:09,536
♪ I spent my life exploring

292
00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:11,204
♪ The subtle whoring

293
00:16:11,237 --> 00:16:14,240
♪ That cost too much to be free

294
00:16:14,274 --> 00:16:22,274
♪ Hey, baby
I've been to paradise

295
00:16:22,716 --> 00:16:29,222
♪ But I've never been to me ♪

296
00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:32,192
I think it's a bit too
wild, really, it's a bit risky.

297
00:16:32,225 --> 00:16:34,728
It's too naughty,
if you like, you know.

298
00:16:34,761 --> 00:16:37,030
That's what makes it
so exciting, though.

299
00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:41,034
My name is Silas P. Love Truth

300
00:16:41,067 --> 00:16:44,337
and these are my sisters
of perpetual indulgence,

301
00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:47,040
and we are here at the Chapel
of Love and Loathing

302
00:16:47,073 --> 00:16:48,474
in Lost Vagueness,

303
00:16:48,509 --> 00:16:51,477
ready to marry you
in unholy matrimony.

304
00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:53,780
Whoo!

305
00:16:56,482 --> 00:16:59,520
We're trying to have a special
fucking moment here, OK?

306
00:16:59,553 --> 00:17:03,089
Ladies and gentlemen,
it could happen to you.

307
00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:07,227
Love is all around, baby.
Love is all around.

308
00:17:10,496 --> 00:17:12,498
‐ Oh, my God, my pussy! ‐ Meow.

309
00:17:12,533 --> 00:17:15,468
My pussy's returned. Meow!

310
00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:17,137
It's brilliant,
this changing room.

311
00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:19,640
I came in as a dog
and ended up like this.

312
00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:29,082
I think I married someone
in Lost Vagueness.

313
00:17:29,115 --> 00:17:31,417
Not married them. I performed
the ceremony, I think.

314
00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:33,353
‐ In the chapel.
‐ Was it a pantomime horse?

315
00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:35,221
I don't think I married
the pantomime horse.

316
00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:37,423
No, you... Were you not
the pantomime horse?

317
00:17:37,457 --> 00:17:39,526
You didn't want too many people
recognizing you.

318
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,594
Ah, yes, that's right.

319
00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:42,262
At this point in the proceedings

320
00:17:42,295 --> 00:17:45,699
I'm supposed to invite
our friend Keith Allen...

321
00:17:47,801 --> 00:17:52,238
On stage to perform
World In Motion with us.

322
00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:57,811
You didn't mention the horse.

323
00:17:57,844 --> 00:18:00,681
For me, in those
early days of Lost Vagueness,

324
00:18:00,714 --> 00:18:03,817
it was providing an excitement
that had to be there.

325
00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:07,253
You were in a position
where we would have

326
00:18:07,287 --> 00:18:10,791
120,000 people
in the festival generally

327
00:18:10,824 --> 00:18:12,626
and then the music'd finish
at midnight

328
00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:14,828
and pretty much 120,000 people

329
00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:16,630
then wanted to go
to Lost Vagueness.

330
00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:28,474
♪ Do it again, now

331
00:18:28,509 --> 00:18:31,277
♪ One step beyond

332
00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:33,379
♪ Step, step, step

333
00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:43,289
♪ One step beyond

334
00:18:48,762 --> 00:18:50,631
♪ Yes, I do

335
00:18:51,865 --> 00:18:53,499
♪ Ooh

336
00:18:53,534 --> 00:18:56,269
♪ One step beyond...

337
00:19:08,348 --> 00:19:10,684
I thought they were
for the parents to wear,

338
00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:12,285
so you couldn't hear
the children.

339
00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:14,287
But, actually,
they are for the children,

340
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,290
so they can't hear the parents,
that's what it is.

341
00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:20,861
We didn't know where he was.

342
00:19:20,894 --> 00:19:24,565
We tried with
the missing persons bureau.

343
00:19:24,598 --> 00:19:27,500
They put things on Ceefax.

344
00:19:27,534 --> 00:19:31,738
And they put something
in The Big Issue,

345
00:19:31,772 --> 00:19:33,840
and the people
from The Big Issue said

346
00:19:33,874 --> 00:19:36,810
three women had phoned up
and said,

347
00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:41,481
"Yes, we know Roy. He's at
Glastonbury." Blah, blah, blah.

348
00:19:41,515 --> 00:19:44,685
I thought, "What am I gonna do,
go into Glastonbury",

349
00:19:44,718 --> 00:19:47,954
I've never been there,
walking round in the mud

350
00:19:47,988 --> 00:19:50,390
"and looking for him,
with thousands of people?"

351
00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:52,325
I thought,
"How would I ever find him?"

352
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:57,297
Had I known if I would have gone
there and said to anyone,

353
00:19:57,330 --> 00:20:01,702
"Where's Roy, Roy Gurvitz?",
I would've found him.

354
00:20:01,735 --> 00:20:05,572
This is my... This is my friend
Gary "The Dog" Davis.

355
00:20:05,606 --> 00:20:07,574
Hello, everybody.
Are you having a nice day?

356
00:20:07,608 --> 00:20:11,678
He's the... You're the apology
party candidate for Wales.

357
00:20:11,712 --> 00:20:15,381
I certainly am, and I'd like to
apologize for coming from Wales

358
00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:17,417
and living there
for most of my life.

359
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,686
The other thing you need to,

360
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,888
well, not necessarily
apologize for but rectify,

361
00:20:21,922 --> 00:20:24,324
your pink tent's rather baggy.

362
00:20:24,357 --> 00:20:25,526
‐ Is it? ‐ Yeah.

363
00:20:28,929 --> 00:20:30,831
What I loved
about Lost Vagueness

364
00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:33,867
was that every year there were
new worlds to discover,

365
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,836
places where creatives
invited you

366
00:20:35,869 --> 00:20:39,506
to stumble into brilliantly
eccentric universes.

367
00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:40,974
We have exhibits
that go right back

368
00:20:41,007 --> 00:20:43,644
to show how the circus was
in Roman times.

369
00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:47,480
Bonny is a butterfly trainer,
but I'm not a butterfly trainer.

370
00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:50,584
I have, as everybody can,
trained ladybirds,

371
00:20:50,617 --> 00:20:53,086
like you do when you're a child,
ladybirds and woodlice.

372
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,090
But butterfly training
is much more complicated.

373
00:20:57,123 --> 00:21:00,093
Only women
can train butterflies,

374
00:21:00,126 --> 00:21:02,996
and they're best
if they're hand‐reared.

375
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:07,534
I don't train butterflies now
because it's illegal.

376
00:21:12,472 --> 00:21:14,941
I have been to Glastonbury

377
00:21:14,975 --> 00:21:16,643
and I was so struck by the fact

378
00:21:16,677 --> 00:21:18,879
that people were putting
so much love

379
00:21:18,912 --> 00:21:21,882
into making a space
so that I could be comfortable.

380
00:21:21,915 --> 00:21:25,118
Then I met Roy and Roy said,
"I'm going to Glastonbury."

381
00:21:25,151 --> 00:21:27,954
And I was, like, "Well, if you
need a hand, give us a shout."

382
00:21:27,988 --> 00:21:30,857
‐ When was this? ‐ 2002.

383
00:21:40,534 --> 00:21:42,068
There were people doing things

384
00:21:42,102 --> 00:21:44,037
that I had already
written about,

385
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:47,407
'cause my work,
when I was at art school,

386
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,710
was about
multi‐room installations

387
00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:51,978
with performers
and audience interactions

388
00:21:52,012 --> 00:21:55,481
and moving through spaces
rather than around objects.

389
00:21:55,516 --> 00:22:00,053
And these guys were doing it
without thinking about it.

390
00:22:01,522 --> 00:22:03,724
It was a really amazing time,

391
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,359
because we were all
of a certain age, you know,

392
00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:10,597
in our early 30s and, you know,
I'd do three shows a night

393
00:22:10,631 --> 00:22:12,866
and I'd be, like,
coming on after Madness

394
00:22:12,899 --> 00:22:14,467
and finish playing to, you know,

395
00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:17,170
a room of, like,
2,000 people in the ballroom.

396
00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:19,372
Lost Vagueness
really gave a platform

397
00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:22,609
to expose a lot of edgy
and experimental work

398
00:22:22,643 --> 00:22:24,811
to a more mainstream audience.

399
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,615
It was a thing
that appealed to me

400
00:22:28,649 --> 00:22:31,518
and I found it very empowering

401
00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:35,155
and it kind of shocked
my feminist sensibilities

402
00:22:35,188 --> 00:22:37,057
in a... in a good way, you know.

403
00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:41,127
I felt like I was
a really emancipated woman,

404
00:22:41,161 --> 00:22:44,164
and so to see someone
undress on stage,

405
00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:46,767
it was kind of difficult
but then brilliant.

406
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,002
There was, you know,
loads of tattoos,

407
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:50,737
people were all different sizes,

408
00:22:50,771 --> 00:22:52,773
and piercings
and all that kind of stuff,

409
00:22:52,806 --> 00:22:56,810
and I kind of felt like they're
reclaiming the female form.

410
00:23:53,934 --> 00:23:55,569
Everyone who's involved in it

411
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:59,506
feels like a performer
to some extent, so, you know...

412
00:23:59,540 --> 00:24:01,542
from the person
working behind the bar,

413
00:24:01,575 --> 00:24:03,810
to people who are
just in there to,

414
00:24:03,844 --> 00:24:05,145
you know, the people who run it.

415
00:24:05,178 --> 00:24:06,980
We all kind of get
slightly into character.

416
00:24:07,013 --> 00:24:09,049
As soon as start
putting a costume on,

417
00:24:09,082 --> 00:24:10,951
you know,
you're leaving yourself

418
00:24:10,984 --> 00:24:12,753
and that's
a really freeing thing to do.

419
00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:14,988
Here in the Lost Vagueness tent,

420
00:24:15,021 --> 00:24:18,291
we're very nice people
with multi‐bang sexy dick.

421
00:24:18,324 --> 00:24:19,660
It's good times.

422
00:24:19,693 --> 00:24:21,795
I have a toy
which I like to bring

423
00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:22,929
called a Love Tub.

424
00:24:22,963 --> 00:24:25,131
Come and have a look.

425
00:24:27,534 --> 00:24:30,103
‐ Whoo! ‐.

426
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,638
They take off all their clothes

427
00:24:31,672 --> 00:24:34,074
and, whoa, look what happens
to my schlong.

428
00:24:34,107 --> 00:24:37,310
It goes crazy for the love and
I have to beat it with a hammer.

429
00:24:37,343 --> 00:24:38,945
Flicky, flicky, flicky.

430
00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:42,749
Wow, I get so hard,
I am electric. It's very nice.

431
00:24:42,783 --> 00:24:44,985
But it's for the people
who work very hard,

432
00:24:45,018 --> 00:24:47,988
like the artists and
the prostitutes who we bring.

433
00:24:48,021 --> 00:24:50,223
So if you want to come
have nice time,

434
00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:53,994
come Lost Vagueness
in the Love Tub.

435
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:58,532
Strangely liberated.

436
00:24:58,565 --> 00:24:59,900
I've always felt like

437
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:01,702
there's a sort
of inner bumble bee in me,

438
00:25:01,735 --> 00:25:03,770
and I've always wanted
to do that.

439
00:25:03,804 --> 00:25:06,673
I figured the only place I'd get
away with it was Lost Vagueness.

440
00:25:09,309 --> 00:25:15,949
♪ With your help turn you on
With your help turn you on

441
00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:20,787
♪ With your help turn you on
With your help turn you on...

442
00:25:20,821 --> 00:25:24,791
I remember in the
midst of the bumble‐bee night,

443
00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:26,960
having a kind of revelation.

444
00:25:26,993 --> 00:25:30,363
You know, I thought Glastonbury
was quite out there,

445
00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:31,965
and yet someone
within Glastonbury

446
00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:34,000
was running something
even more out there.

447
00:25:34,034 --> 00:25:35,802
Oh, no! Get out!
That's not fair.

448
00:25:35,836 --> 00:25:38,939
This is my changing room.

449
00:25:38,972 --> 00:25:40,774
Roy had a French G‐string.

450
00:25:40,807 --> 00:25:42,943
It's a once‐only occurrence.

451
00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:45,178
Timmy, go and look.

452
00:25:48,414 --> 00:25:51,652
Oh, alright, then. Go on, then.

453
00:25:52,853 --> 00:25:54,688
That's as much
as you're gonna get.

454
00:26:02,428 --> 00:26:04,297
You alright?

455
00:26:05,899 --> 00:26:07,768
Good night?

456
00:26:07,801 --> 00:26:09,936
Go away.

457
00:26:11,304 --> 00:26:15,041
I thought you wanted me.
I thought you wanted me so much.

458
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:17,277
It wasn't like that
in the Jacuzzi.

459
00:26:23,449 --> 00:26:26,019
You could go right into
the roots of the anthropology

460
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,688
of what events do for humans

461
00:26:27,721 --> 00:26:30,256
and why there's been
festivals forever.

462
00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:34,194
Sex is at the background
of all of it.

463
00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:35,962
It's kind of
a bit like the night

464
00:26:35,996 --> 00:26:38,264
before the atom bomb fell.

465
00:26:38,298 --> 00:26:40,867
You know the world's
gonna be over tomorrow,

466
00:26:40,901 --> 00:26:43,704
you go down town and you see
the first girl you like and go,

467
00:26:43,737 --> 00:26:46,097
"Look, the world's gonna be over
tomorrow. Let's make love."

468
00:26:46,121 --> 00:26:47,774
That's quite an atmosphere
to create,

469
00:26:47,808 --> 00:26:49,288
not the world's
gonna be over tomorrow

470
00:26:49,312 --> 00:26:52,245
but that kind of, like, abandon.

471
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,115
And maybe the English have been
kept in this hole for so long

472
00:26:55,148 --> 00:26:57,017
that you open up a crack

473
00:26:57,050 --> 00:26:59,820
and everyone goes crazy,
and that's great.

474
00:26:59,853 --> 00:27:02,656
Do you mind?
I'm getting changed.

475
00:27:05,258 --> 00:27:07,861
This Lost Vagueness,
you know, it's a bit hedonistic.

476
00:27:07,894 --> 00:27:11,264
It gets a bit crazy. We thought
we'd be a bit of an antidote.

477
00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:13,033
You come in to our lovely house,

478
00:27:13,066 --> 00:27:16,436
get treated like you would do
at your granny's.

479
00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:18,839
We've got lots of services
we provide, you know,

480
00:27:18,872 --> 00:27:22,676
do someone's nails or makeup
or trim someone's beard.

481
00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:32,185
The Laundrettas started in 2003.

482
00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,888
We were these kind of, like,
really young, feisty feminists

483
00:27:34,921 --> 00:27:37,858
that were, like,
having a massive laugh.

484
00:27:45,365 --> 00:27:47,100
We're just taking the look

485
00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,503
of a sort of
archetypal housewife character

486
00:27:49,536 --> 00:27:51,872
and sort of revealing all
those things that as a woman

487
00:27:51,905 --> 00:27:54,207
you weren't really able
to do back then.

488
00:27:57,744 --> 00:27:59,813
I remember very clearly,
I said to Roy,

489
00:27:59,846 --> 00:28:03,116
"This is amazing
and I can write about it."

490
00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:05,786
And he went,
"No one's gonna fund us,

491
00:28:05,819 --> 00:28:07,153
bunch of crusty travelers."

492
00:28:07,187 --> 00:28:08,855
"They hate us."
Blah, blah, blah.

493
00:28:08,889 --> 00:28:10,757
And I went,
"I'm willing to give it a go."

494
00:28:10,791 --> 00:28:13,193
We got a couple of grants
and the first one enabled us

495
00:28:13,226 --> 00:28:14,895
to turn it into a company,

496
00:28:14,928 --> 00:28:17,330
increase the quality
of the show,

497
00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:18,965
get some other tours in place,

498
00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:21,401
and the second one was
a business development grant.

499
00:28:21,434 --> 00:28:24,037
Now, thousands of music lovers
are heading to Glastonbury

500
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,239
for this weekend's
sellout festival.

501
00:28:26,272 --> 00:28:28,809
And it seems this year the
hoards of teenagers and students

502
00:28:28,842 --> 00:28:32,012
are being joined by a larger
30‐something contingent.

503
00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,248
It is the traditional.

504
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:36,917
Glastonbury experience,

505
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:39,485
wind, rain and unruly tents.

506
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,255
But this year
there's an alternative.

507
00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:44,024
Glastonbury posh.

508
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,564
The Lost Vagueness Hotel
offers room service, champagne,

509
00:28:50,597 --> 00:28:53,233
hot showers and a caravan.

510
00:28:53,266 --> 00:28:55,035
How much
is this costing a night?

511
00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:57,871
- ‐ 600 pound for this.
- ‐ For four of us.

512
00:28:57,904 --> 00:28:59,840
‐ For four of us, yeah.
‐ Good value for money.

513
00:28:59,873 --> 00:29:03,810
The clientele is perhaps
a little older and richer

514
00:29:03,844 --> 00:29:05,512
than the average festival goer,

515
00:29:05,546 --> 00:29:08,882
but this is certainly a sign
of how things are changing.

516
00:29:08,915 --> 00:29:12,853
So this is the diner in 2003.

517
00:29:12,886 --> 00:29:16,923
‐ Who's in that?
‐ Paul, Tash, Dieter.

518
00:29:16,957 --> 00:29:20,093
Timmy in his youthful glow.

519
00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:23,429
Gasmail. Legendary legend.

520
00:29:23,463 --> 00:29:27,067
Joe Rush. So shiny, so handsome.

521
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,504
And then this chapel was
such a huge part of Vagueness

522
00:29:30,537 --> 00:29:32,005
and Vagueness's success,

523
00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:34,808
and then the whole thing
about Kate and Pete

524
00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:36,142
getting married in the chapel

525
00:29:36,176 --> 00:29:37,944
and then that spreading
in the press

526
00:29:37,978 --> 00:29:39,880
and leading to
a lot of attention and stuff.

527
00:29:39,913 --> 00:29:42,393
‐ Yeah, what was that?
‐ I think I might've made it up.

528
00:29:42,417 --> 00:29:44,084
But it got out there

529
00:29:44,117 --> 00:29:46,019
that they were having
a marriage in the chapel,

530
00:29:46,052 --> 00:29:48,121
and then that got in tons
of papers and so forth

531
00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:50,223
and actually
gave the whole thing

532
00:29:50,256 --> 00:29:53,527
a big reputational boost.

533
00:30:06,006 --> 00:30:07,941
After a few years of success,

534
00:30:07,974 --> 00:30:09,654
Lost Vagueness
ventured beyond Glastonbury,

535
00:30:09,678 --> 00:30:13,013
putting on events
all over the country.

536
00:30:13,046 --> 00:30:17,017
You didn't have to wait for
the festival. It came to you.

537
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:18,530
Lost Vagueness
was a cultural property

538
00:30:18,554 --> 00:30:20,220
that everyone wanted a piece of.

539
00:30:20,253 --> 00:30:22,388
How do you keep track
of where everything is?

540
00:30:22,422 --> 00:30:24,090
Well,
that's the difficulty, see,

541
00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:27,293
'cause at the moment
it's mostly just me

542
00:30:27,327 --> 00:30:29,530
that knows where everything is.

543
00:30:34,167 --> 00:30:37,403
One‐hour call. 50 minutes.

544
00:30:48,982 --> 00:30:51,284
Lost Vagueness
would've cost millions

545
00:30:51,317 --> 00:30:53,954
if you started charging
proper money for it,

546
00:30:53,987 --> 00:30:56,456
so even when there was vaguely
proper money on the table,

547
00:30:56,489 --> 00:30:59,059
you still could never
get enough.

548
00:31:00,561 --> 00:31:03,597
It's a miracle, innit?
Look at it. It's great.

549
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:11,938
‐ Hello. There you are. ‐ Hello.

550
00:31:11,972 --> 00:31:14,307
‐ I'm filming everything.
‐ No way.

551
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:15,609
Lovely to see you.

552
00:31:15,642 --> 00:31:19,345
Right here. Right here.
Step inside.

553
00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:23,249
This man has the strangest
affliction that you'll ever see.

554
00:31:25,451 --> 00:31:26,953
The nights at the Coronet

555
00:31:26,987 --> 00:31:28,221
cemented their influence

556
00:31:28,254 --> 00:31:29,956
into mainstream culture

557
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:31,958
and they delighted
in presenting acts

558
00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:35,729
that would shock and challenge
their expanding audiences.

559
00:31:35,762 --> 00:31:38,098
Now, to be
completely honest with you,

560
00:31:38,131 --> 00:31:40,967
I'm not entirely sure
what's gonna happen now.

561
00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:43,403
We got someone
coming up next for you.

562
00:31:43,436 --> 00:31:46,006
I'm just gonna see
how they're doing.

563
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,976
Oh, they look lovely
and everything's good.

564
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:54,581
As we welcome, with a certain
amount of trepidation,

565
00:31:54,615 --> 00:31:58,985
the Pain Crew Circus.

566
00:32:31,652 --> 00:32:34,054
There's a lot
of different ideas,

567
00:32:34,087 --> 00:32:35,722
even in the freak show thing.

568
00:32:35,756 --> 00:32:40,493
The fact that I present myself
in a very feminine way

569
00:32:40,527 --> 00:32:44,164
is kind of my way of saying
I am female,

570
00:32:44,197 --> 00:32:45,999
but I am hardcore

571
00:32:46,032 --> 00:32:49,269
and I can out‐scare most of you

572
00:32:49,302 --> 00:32:51,304
and still wear stilettos.

573
00:32:58,679 --> 00:33:01,782
I like shocking people.

574
00:33:01,815 --> 00:33:03,584
When somebody throws up
or passes out,

575
00:33:03,617 --> 00:33:06,319
you know that they're
not gonna forget that show.

576
00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:08,789
Often afterwards, you know,
they'll come round backstage

577
00:33:08,822 --> 00:33:11,191
and thank you
for doing a really great show.

578
00:33:11,224 --> 00:33:13,359
I mean, you've really
touched a nerve there.

579
00:33:13,393 --> 00:33:16,196
You've really hit home
to somebody.

580
00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:24,505
I come off stage after having
done the splits on broken glass

581
00:33:24,538 --> 00:33:27,608
or been swinging
from meat hooks in my back,

582
00:33:27,641 --> 00:33:29,142
and the first thing
I get asked is.

583
00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:31,277
"Where do you get
your lipstick?"

584
00:33:31,311 --> 00:33:32,613
‐ Seriously? ‐ I'm not joking.

585
00:33:32,646 --> 00:33:34,781
I'm not joking.

586
00:33:37,618 --> 00:33:40,721
I get a lot of support from the
female members of the audience.

587
00:33:40,754 --> 00:33:44,090
They feel a little bit uplifted
to see somebody

588
00:33:44,124 --> 00:33:46,527
not sort of just
flouncing around

589
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,563
and looking petite and demure.

590
00:33:49,596 --> 00:33:51,732
I know that I grew up
in the middle of nowhere,

591
00:33:51,765 --> 00:33:53,499
in the countryside,

592
00:33:53,534 --> 00:33:56,837
and I felt very, very isolated,
and now I've found

593
00:33:56,870 --> 00:34:00,774
so many like‐minded souls
across the globe.

594
00:34:00,807 --> 00:34:04,277
It's pleasant to know
that you're not just weird,

595
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:05,812
just everyone's different.

596
00:34:05,846 --> 00:34:08,414
It's important
to encourage diversity,

597
00:34:08,448 --> 00:34:10,517
even if it's just for...

598
00:34:10,551 --> 00:34:14,087
just injecting a little bit
of magic into somebody's day,

599
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,089
a little bit
of wonder and delight

600
00:34:16,122 --> 00:34:18,559
and childlike innocence.

601
00:34:18,592 --> 00:34:20,260
You're sort of giving people

602
00:34:20,293 --> 00:34:22,696
a little bit
of their innocence back.

603
00:34:22,729 --> 00:34:24,831
Or taking it away. Hmm.

604
00:34:39,479 --> 00:34:43,383
One of our favorite perverted
acts is banned at Vagueness,

605
00:34:43,416 --> 00:34:44,585
called Mouse.

606
00:34:55,161 --> 00:34:57,564
Is my mum gonna see this?

607
00:34:57,598 --> 00:34:59,399
Uh, if it's on telly.

608
00:34:59,432 --> 00:35:01,134
I'm not gonna say anything else.

609
00:35:01,167 --> 00:35:02,536
I'm not saying anything
about it.

610
00:35:03,704 --> 00:35:05,506
You can't stop there.

611
00:35:05,539 --> 00:35:06,807
‐ No. ‐ Tell us about Mouse.

612
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,675
No. I'm not saying a thing.

613
00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:12,178
‐ Ask why she was banned. ‐ OK.

614
00:35:12,212 --> 00:35:14,214
People were wet.

615
00:35:15,916 --> 00:35:18,484
They needed their costumes
dry‐cleaning.

616
00:35:21,655 --> 00:35:23,924
It's really nice, 'cause
we're still talking about it.

617
00:35:23,957 --> 00:35:25,559
That's what I fucking love
about it.

618
00:35:25,592 --> 00:35:27,493
And everyone
really remembers it,

619
00:35:27,528 --> 00:35:29,809
and we've all, you know, kind of
gone through it together.

620
00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:33,934
But I was in the tech booth,
and I've seen it before,

621
00:35:33,967 --> 00:35:37,237
but she'd only done the anal...
what's it called?

622
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:39,439
Where you put the water
in your bum and... Enema.

623
00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,675
That was her act before.
The enema.

624
00:35:41,708 --> 00:35:43,409
So I was, like,
"Yay! Mouse is coming."

625
00:35:43,443 --> 00:35:45,979
‐ She's developed it.
‐ She's much better at it now.

626
00:35:46,012 --> 00:35:49,215
There's certain things, if
you're doing an enema every day,

627
00:35:49,249 --> 00:35:51,985
it's nearly every day that I do
an enema, that you can't do.

628
00:35:52,018 --> 00:35:54,688
You can't have a lot of bread.
You can't have chili.

629
00:35:54,721 --> 00:35:56,389
Mushy peas are a bit iffy.

630
00:35:56,422 --> 00:35:59,526
And when I went and stood back
with Giz, he was like,

631
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,728
"God, did she just do
what I thought she did"?

632
00:36:01,762 --> 00:36:03,296
And I was, like, "Yeah."

633
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:05,298
'Cause I thought, you know,
it's Mouse now,

634
00:36:05,331 --> 00:36:07,734
and I didn't see,
but she'd eaten dog food

635
00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:10,370
and then got someone in
the audience and snogged him.

636
00:36:10,403 --> 00:36:11,772
All of that was new.

637
00:36:11,805 --> 00:36:14,340
I'm still doing a dog show,
funny enough.

638
00:36:14,374 --> 00:36:16,777
I was in West Bromwich
last week,

639
00:36:16,810 --> 00:36:20,981
and before that Blackpool,
working for the army,

640
00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:24,217
and they said,
"Get that girl off stage!"

641
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:26,820
and were very upset
and sent me home and...

642
00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:30,624
Because, well, the sergeant
major was being sick,

643
00:36:30,657 --> 00:36:32,893
and I was only eating dog food.

644
00:36:32,926 --> 00:36:34,828
It's not real dog food.

645
00:36:34,861 --> 00:36:37,430
‐ Or is it? ‐.

646
00:36:37,463 --> 00:36:39,866
It was me and Kirsty,
"Shall we book Mouse?"

647
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,935
"Yeah, let's book Mouse."
Do you know what I mean?

648
00:36:41,968 --> 00:36:45,706
But I think she was meant
to go on on Saturday night

649
00:36:45,739 --> 00:36:47,219
and she was meant to be
a bit earlier,

650
00:36:47,243 --> 00:36:49,710
like, she was our last act,
on Sunday,

651
00:36:49,743 --> 00:36:51,512
which really looked
like a statement.

652
00:36:51,545 --> 00:36:54,447
To the wrong music.
It was drum and bass.

653
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,016
It wasn't meant to be
drum and bass.

654
00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:57,551
It all looked
a bit more hardcore

655
00:36:57,584 --> 00:36:58,624
than it was meant to look.

656
00:36:58,648 --> 00:36:59,686
Yeah.

657
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,589
Immediately, me, Kirsty,

658
00:37:02,623 --> 00:37:04,457
Andy, Jim, Roy,

659
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:06,426
just went and shut ourself
in the office

660
00:37:06,459 --> 00:37:07,728
as soon as it had come off,

661
00:37:07,761 --> 00:37:10,864
and we were like...

662
00:37:10,897 --> 00:37:13,299
What's important
about shocking people?

663
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,773
I'm not exactly sure,
but that's kind of all I can do.

664
00:37:15,797 --> 00:37:19,005
One person fainted.
One person knocked me out.

665
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,677
She said, "How can you do that
to your own body? Are you mad?"

666
00:37:23,710 --> 00:37:25,411
"What's it all about?
What's the message?"

667
00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:27,514
I said, "There's no message,
and it's my body."

668
00:37:27,548 --> 00:37:28,788
"I can fist my arse if I want."

669
00:37:33,319 --> 00:37:35,556
Some of the stuff
that happens down there

670
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:37,357
is quite off the scale.

671
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:41,494
Stuff which I'm sure, you know,
we don't know the half of it.

672
00:37:43,396 --> 00:37:45,876
And I love the fact that
you don't know the half of it.

673
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,534
That's the whole point.
We shouldn't.

674
00:37:47,568 --> 00:37:49,936
The problem is, right,
is they've gone somewhere

675
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:51,404
and they didn't like it, right?

676
00:37:51,437 --> 00:37:53,707
Which isn't really the same
as saying,

677
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:55,676
"Oh, I went there
and it was really poor,

678
00:37:55,709 --> 00:37:58,111
really amateur,
it wasn't done well."

679
00:37:58,144 --> 00:38:00,584
"No one really cared about what
the program..." It's nonsense.

680
00:38:00,614 --> 00:38:02,549
Saying a DJ is poor quality...

681
00:38:02,583 --> 00:38:05,552
‐ ‐ ...is just a real giveaway.

682
00:38:05,586 --> 00:38:06,987
Voicemail box.

683
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:09,523
Yeah, I mean,
it's subjective, isn't it?

684
00:38:09,556 --> 00:38:11,525
You can't say,
"I didn't like this."

685
00:38:11,558 --> 00:38:13,727
It's pretty obvious
that they've not been

686
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,629
to a Lost Vagueness
event before.

687
00:38:15,662 --> 00:38:17,397
The only thing that's a fact

688
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:19,600
that I can't disprove
is it was cold,

689
00:38:19,633 --> 00:38:21,902
and for that
we can only apologize, you know.

690
00:38:21,935 --> 00:38:24,470
If they've got a complaint about
that, that's down to the...

691
00:38:24,505 --> 00:38:26,640
It was never advertised
as warm, was it?

692
00:38:33,179 --> 00:38:34,781
The need to keep money coming in

693
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,482
meant Lost Vagueness
was staging events

694
00:38:36,517 --> 00:38:38,018
that couldn't have been
further away

695
00:38:38,051 --> 00:38:40,787
from their beginnings
in a muddy field.

696
00:38:43,023 --> 00:38:45,058
I was wondering
if the original vision

697
00:38:45,091 --> 00:38:47,728
was becoming compromised.

698
00:39:05,078 --> 00:39:09,082
We went to a party on a boat
outside the design museum.

699
00:39:09,115 --> 00:39:10,851
We thought how well
it was organized.

700
00:39:10,884 --> 00:39:13,887
It was well thought out, quirky.

701
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,522
I'd never heard
of Lost Vagueness then.

702
00:39:15,556 --> 00:39:18,158
I tracked 'em down
and they're here helping us out

703
00:39:18,191 --> 00:39:20,393
with this taster event
that we're doing here,

704
00:39:20,426 --> 00:39:21,728
gonna carry on working with 'em.

705
00:39:21,762 --> 00:39:24,064
Here's to a good
working relationship

706
00:39:24,097 --> 00:39:25,532
for the next 12 months, I hope.

707
00:39:25,566 --> 00:39:27,133
‐ Cheers. And longer.
‐ It could be fun.

708
00:39:27,167 --> 00:39:29,102
And longer. And longer.

709
00:39:29,135 --> 00:39:31,071
Hey!

710
00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:33,974
I thought there'd only be
about 10% dressed up.

711
00:39:34,007 --> 00:39:38,078
And they take it very serious.
It's like a religion almost.

712
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,882
Are you contactable
through Jeremy?

713
00:39:41,915 --> 00:39:44,217
Uh, yeah. Do you want my...

714
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:45,919
I've got a card.

715
00:39:57,497 --> 00:39:59,666
You've been friends
with Roy for years.

716
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:03,036
Yeah, we've shared
a lot of workshops together.

717
00:40:03,069 --> 00:40:05,906
He's built quite a lot of stuff
for different shows in my life.

718
00:40:05,939 --> 00:40:08,975
He's been there a lot to help,

719
00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:12,913
without needing
massive financial reward,

720
00:40:12,946 --> 00:40:15,816
just for the hell of it.

721
00:40:19,753 --> 00:40:22,989
Things had reached
a point with Lost Vagueness

722
00:40:23,023 --> 00:40:25,526
where it's really hard
to turn down offers

723
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:27,794
to do commercial things.

724
00:40:27,828 --> 00:40:29,763
It certainly
seemed to have leapt

725
00:40:29,796 --> 00:40:31,765
from something that was here

726
00:40:31,798 --> 00:40:33,199
and something
that was experienced

727
00:40:33,233 --> 00:40:36,603
in a kind of completely
out there, free way,

728
00:40:36,637 --> 00:40:38,238
it started appearing
other places

729
00:40:38,271 --> 00:40:40,941
kind of in a more corporate
kind of setting.

730
00:40:45,145 --> 00:40:46,880
I still really embrace things

731
00:40:46,913 --> 00:40:48,615
that for me have a feeling

732
00:40:48,649 --> 00:40:53,920
of depth and roots
and anarchy and misbehavior.

733
00:41:08,334 --> 00:41:10,771
A lot of the earlier stuff
couldn't have happened

734
00:41:10,804 --> 00:41:12,238
if the motivation had been

735
00:41:12,272 --> 00:41:15,041
anything to do
with making money.

736
00:41:21,948 --> 00:41:23,316
Very different from the ethos

737
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:25,151
of people getting together
in a field

738
00:41:25,185 --> 00:41:30,190
and creating something
that isn't everyday life.

739
00:41:37,998 --> 00:41:42,636
For us, as anarchic
people, it struck a great vein

740
00:41:42,669 --> 00:41:46,607
to make money from rich people
or people with a budget,

741
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,075
and to feed that budget
back in to gigs

742
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:50,911
were the vibe was good,
you know.

743
00:41:50,944 --> 00:41:53,947
So, yeah, it kind of
looked good on paper.

744
00:42:02,756 --> 00:42:05,659
If the corporates
had really seen

745
00:42:05,692 --> 00:42:07,160
what Lost Vagueness
actually was,

746
00:42:07,193 --> 00:42:08,629
they wouldn't have wanted it.

747
00:42:08,662 --> 00:42:09,763
What they thought it was

748
00:42:09,796 --> 00:42:11,064
was what the Guardian,

749
00:42:11,097 --> 00:42:14,935
the Glastonbury festival
PR machine,

750
00:42:14,968 --> 00:42:16,937
was saying it was.

751
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:18,905
And if we'd have gone,
"Oh, yeah, well,"

752
00:42:18,939 --> 00:42:20,807
it's a loads of dropouts
from society,

753
00:42:20,841 --> 00:42:22,275
a load of New Age travelers,

754
00:42:22,308 --> 00:42:24,210
"and we'll come and do
a party for you,"

755
00:42:24,244 --> 00:42:26,112
they'd have run a bloody mile.

756
00:42:28,381 --> 00:42:30,150
There you go.

757
00:42:37,357 --> 00:42:38,859
Oh, that's delicious.

758
00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:45,149
If you were wearing a suit
with a bow tie and white shirt,

759
00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:47,734
it's a really memorable,
visible,

760
00:42:47,768 --> 00:42:50,003
really delicious thing
that people would remember.

761
00:42:50,036 --> 00:42:51,838
It is lovely, but I think

762
00:42:51,872 --> 00:42:55,942
that's a little bit
too quirky and hippy‐ish.

763
00:42:55,976 --> 00:42:58,244
Tell you what would be better,
if it was him in a suit

764
00:42:58,278 --> 00:43:00,714
with a little thing
mixing up little martinis

765
00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:02,148
and putting them on trays.

766
00:43:02,182 --> 00:43:04,618
Yeah, but there'll be 20 people,

767
00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:06,987
50 people doing that
on other stalls.

768
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:08,622
There will be nobody doing that.

769
00:43:08,655 --> 00:43:11,725
‐ Because it's not corporate.
‐ But it's memorable.

770
00:43:11,758 --> 00:43:13,478
But we'll be shooting ourselves
in the foot.

771
00:43:13,502 --> 00:43:15,295
‐ Spending all this money...
‐ I disagree.

772
00:43:15,328 --> 00:43:17,297
For all this work we're doing

773
00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:19,199
and all this money
we're spending,

774
00:43:19,232 --> 00:43:21,968
we need to be aiming
for the very top‐end clients.

775
00:43:22,002 --> 00:43:24,938
‐ And they're not gonna go...
‐ But you can't have oysters.

776
00:43:24,971 --> 00:43:27,040
‐ Who said oysters?
‐ That's high end, isn't it?

777
00:43:27,073 --> 00:43:29,442
Yeah, well, blinis,
or, like, you know...

778
00:43:29,475 --> 00:43:31,435
What's a blini? I don't
even know what a blini is.

779
00:43:31,459 --> 00:43:33,313
What we were giving out
at the Guardian night.

780
00:43:33,346 --> 00:43:35,982
But they're boring. There'll be
20 people doing that.

781
00:43:36,016 --> 00:43:38,451
There'll be 20 people going,
"Oh, have a cocktail."

782
00:43:38,484 --> 00:43:42,689
You're not letting
the argument enter your head.

783
00:43:42,723 --> 00:43:45,091
I have let the argument
enter my brain

784
00:43:45,125 --> 00:43:46,927
and I simply disagree.

785
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,062
I'm not saying
you're completely wrong.

786
00:43:49,095 --> 00:43:50,864
You're saying
I'm completely wrong,

787
00:43:50,897 --> 00:43:52,297
I don't know
what I'm talking about,

788
00:43:52,321 --> 00:43:53,466
corporates don't want that,

789
00:43:53,499 --> 00:43:55,135
and that's not
what I'm saying to you.

790
00:43:55,168 --> 00:43:59,139
I'm saying it's interesting
enough to give it a go.

791
00:43:59,172 --> 00:44:01,942
It's something
that people would remember.

792
00:44:09,983 --> 00:44:14,821
One day I get a phone call
from my cousin,

793
00:44:14,855 --> 00:44:18,291
who is my dad's
younger brother's daughter.

794
00:44:18,324 --> 00:44:20,794
Another cousin,

795
00:44:20,827 --> 00:44:28,034
from my dad's older brother's
second marriage, had phoned her,

796
00:44:28,068 --> 00:44:33,206
because his ex‐wife,
who lives in Scotland,

797
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,076
was messing about
on the computer

798
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:41,915
and put Roy's name into Google
or whatever, you know.

799
00:44:41,948 --> 00:44:44,017
And she said
a whole site came up.

800
00:44:44,050 --> 00:44:46,820
So she immediately
phoned her daughter,

801
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:50,256
and she phoned me and said,
"I think we've found Roy."

802
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:53,727
So I phoned the number
and I spoke to him.

803
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,261
Just enough time had gone by,

804
00:44:55,295 --> 00:45:00,300
and I think I knew that
my father was on his way out,

805
00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:03,436
and I just thought,
well, maybe, you know,

806
00:45:03,469 --> 00:45:06,840
maybe it's a good time to get
back in touch, I don't know.

807
00:45:06,873 --> 00:45:10,443
What was the amazing thing
was that I could phone my mum

808
00:45:10,476 --> 00:45:15,782
and say, "I've made contact
with Roy. He's still alive."

809
00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:17,250
Yeah, no, it was just so nice

810
00:45:17,283 --> 00:45:20,020
that she got to be with him
for a bit

811
00:45:20,053 --> 00:45:22,856
before she died.

812
00:45:22,889 --> 00:45:24,090
She never went to Glastonbury,

813
00:45:24,124 --> 00:45:27,260
but we went
to one of the festivals,

814
00:45:27,293 --> 00:45:28,929
and she actually sang.

815
00:45:28,962 --> 00:45:30,642
I think it rained there
as well, didn't it?

816
00:45:30,666 --> 00:45:32,566
‐ I think it did, yeah.
‐ It did, yeah.

817
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,501
Maybe it's just gigs
that you come to.

818
00:45:35,536 --> 00:45:38,371
Maybe we shouldn't come anymore.

819
00:45:38,404 --> 00:45:40,206
And not only that.

820
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,143
We met all his children,
apart from his son.

821
00:45:44,344 --> 00:45:45,979
The three daughters.

822
00:45:46,012 --> 00:45:49,315
But this was all
after my dad had passed away.

823
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:51,451
Roy never saw my dad again.

824
00:45:58,291 --> 00:46:01,528
Taking a few snippets
over a 15‐year period,

825
00:46:01,562 --> 00:46:06,366
when those films were made,
yeah, it all looks lovely.

826
00:46:06,399 --> 00:46:08,535
It's easy to do,
you're not gonna film someone

827
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:10,270
having an argument, are you?

828
00:46:10,303 --> 00:46:11,872
You'll only pick up the camera

829
00:46:11,905 --> 00:46:15,108
when there's something nice
going on.

830
00:46:15,141 --> 00:46:18,178
Did you wanna be
a different dad to your dad?

831
00:46:18,211 --> 00:46:20,113
Very much so, yeah.

832
00:46:20,146 --> 00:46:22,616
And I absolutely believe
that I am.

833
00:46:22,649 --> 00:46:24,551
In what way?

834
00:46:24,585 --> 00:46:29,122
Um, I'm not...
I'm not a demanding parent.

835
00:46:29,155 --> 00:46:32,125
I'm not trying to make them
be anything

836
00:46:32,158 --> 00:46:35,161
that they don't want to be.

837
00:46:35,195 --> 00:46:38,364
I'm not horrible. I don't think
I'm horrible to them.

838
00:46:41,134 --> 00:46:43,369
Who do you love,
Mommy or Daddy, most?

839
00:46:43,403 --> 00:46:46,540
‐ Daddy. ‐

840
00:46:46,573 --> 00:46:49,943
‐ Well done, Lola.
‐ I didn't expect that.

841
00:46:49,976 --> 00:46:52,212
‐ Classic. ‐.

842
00:46:53,179 --> 00:46:55,315
Good girl, Lola.

843
00:46:56,883 --> 00:46:58,351
She usually says, "Both."

844
00:46:58,384 --> 00:47:00,521
I have to live my life, don't I?

845
00:47:00,554 --> 00:47:05,892
I can't really live...
live any differently than I do,

846
00:47:05,926 --> 00:47:11,464
and... you know,
and that's the example

847
00:47:11,497 --> 00:47:15,001
that I'd like my children
to live their lives by.

848
00:47:15,035 --> 00:47:17,604
I think it's better to live
your life courageously

849
00:47:17,638 --> 00:47:19,305
and have near misses

850
00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:21,407
than to live your life so safely

851
00:47:21,441 --> 00:47:26,980
that it just becomes
a pointless exercise.

852
00:47:33,186 --> 00:47:34,555
Within no time at all,

853
00:47:34,588 --> 00:47:36,456
Lost Vagueness
seemed to be everywhere.

854
00:47:36,489 --> 00:47:39,159
‐ Thank you. ‐ OK, guys. Hiya.

855
00:47:40,426 --> 00:47:42,896
‐ Tickets?
‐ Yeah, we have got tickets.

856
00:47:42,929 --> 00:47:44,698
One night I followed Roy

857
00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:48,669
to the Erotic Review
yearly awards.

858
00:47:48,702 --> 00:47:53,907
Lost Vagueness had been
nominated as best event.

859
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:56,710
Roy didn't have to think
about why he's doing it.

860
00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:59,312
He knows why he's doing it.
Do you know what I mean?

861
00:47:59,345 --> 00:48:01,414
That's, like... It's his thing.

862
00:48:01,447 --> 00:48:03,416
I don't give a fuck
about events.

863
00:48:03,449 --> 00:48:05,151
I really don't. I hate events.

864
00:48:05,185 --> 00:48:07,187
I'm not gonna go and work
for an event company.

865
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:10,356
I could leave here and go and
work for some events company

866
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:13,627
doing a £20 million party
for Philip Green

867
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:15,529
on a private island.

868
00:48:15,562 --> 00:48:21,134
Like, I'm... That...
That's not what I'm about.

869
00:48:21,167 --> 00:48:23,169
Fuck that, you know.
Someone else can do it.

870
00:48:23,203 --> 00:48:27,040
And they'll feel dirty,
I swear to God,

871
00:48:27,073 --> 00:48:28,709
when they walk away from it,

872
00:48:28,742 --> 00:48:32,345
because there's not that much
money in the fucking world

873
00:48:32,378 --> 00:48:34,480
and you can't watch it
be spunked up the wall

874
00:48:34,515 --> 00:48:36,617
in stuff like that.

875
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:38,218
And cracking straight on,

876
00:48:38,251 --> 00:48:41,054
the next award
is Lost Vagueness.

877
00:48:41,087 --> 00:48:43,690
‐
‐ If they could come up, please.

878
00:48:48,529 --> 00:48:50,997
Goodness gracious. What are you
doing with that, Emma?

879
00:48:51,031 --> 00:48:54,100
‐ Bloody hell.
‐ Where did that come from?

880
00:48:54,134 --> 00:48:57,403
That evidently is what I've won.

881
00:48:57,437 --> 00:48:59,540
What I've won.
What Lost Vagueness has won.

882
00:48:59,573 --> 00:49:02,142
1,256 people,
millions of people,

883
00:49:02,175 --> 00:49:04,711
they're all responsible
for Lost Vagueness winning that.

884
00:49:04,745 --> 00:49:06,713
Anyone that's ever been
to Lost Vagueness,

885
00:49:06,747 --> 00:49:10,016
liked it, voted for it,
been there, worked at it.

886
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:11,585
Had a good time, there you go,

887
00:49:11,618 --> 00:49:16,422
that is the combination
of all their efforts.

888
00:49:16,456 --> 00:49:18,992
I've been going through this
whole philosophical argument

889
00:49:19,025 --> 00:49:22,529
in the last week of, like,
what I want my life to be,

890
00:49:22,563 --> 00:49:24,164
and that involves Lost Vagueness

891
00:49:24,197 --> 00:49:26,199
and whether I work
for Lost Vagueness or not.

892
00:49:26,232 --> 00:49:28,301
I think if I didn't work
for Lost Vagueness...

893
00:49:28,334 --> 00:49:30,571
And really, you know,
also the question

894
00:49:30,604 --> 00:49:34,508
of whether me and Roy stay
friends is... comes into that.

895
00:49:34,541 --> 00:49:37,511
I'm absolutely positive
that I am integral

896
00:49:37,544 --> 00:49:39,379
and that he appreciates me.

897
00:49:39,412 --> 00:49:43,049
However, I've seen people
be integral

898
00:49:43,083 --> 00:49:47,521
and, you know, be valued,
and I've seen him...

899
00:49:47,554 --> 00:49:51,592
And it's not like he doesn't
value them or appreciate them.

900
00:49:51,625 --> 00:49:57,330
It's that he fucking turns
from loving them to hating them.

901
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:07,440
In the meantime, I've actually
gone and booked a different tent

902
00:50:07,473 --> 00:50:09,610
because it wasn't available.

903
00:50:09,643 --> 00:50:12,245
After three years
of trying to be a business,

904
00:50:12,278 --> 00:50:14,781
the pressure
was taking its toll.

905
00:50:14,815 --> 00:50:17,751
With the strain of putting on
an event every six weeks

906
00:50:17,784 --> 00:50:19,753
and 500 people to manage,

907
00:50:19,786 --> 00:50:21,688
all the fun seemed to have gone.

908
00:50:21,722 --> 00:50:24,691
I want the tent exactly where
it is on the map that I drew

909
00:50:24,725 --> 00:50:26,326
and that's where I want it.

910
00:50:26,359 --> 00:50:28,194
People would call me up
about work

911
00:50:28,228 --> 00:50:30,697
at, like, two o'clock
in the morning.

912
00:50:30,731 --> 00:50:34,400
It was more like being
in a massive gang.

913
00:50:34,434 --> 00:50:37,604
We worked really hard and then
we partied really hard

914
00:50:37,638 --> 00:50:39,798
and then we worked really hard,
and there was no, like,

915
00:50:39,822 --> 00:50:43,109
"Hey, its Tuesday night.
Maybe I should take it easy."

916
00:50:43,143 --> 00:50:45,078
We have finished concert now.

917
00:50:45,111 --> 00:50:49,883
We gonna have lovely party
with Frosties. You like?

918
00:50:49,916 --> 00:50:52,318
It wasn't possible
to carry on like that.

919
00:50:52,352 --> 00:50:54,588
We displayed that.

920
00:51:07,333 --> 00:51:09,335
I can get you a letter

921
00:51:09,369 --> 00:51:11,838
to say that we are guaranteed
this money from Glastonbury,

922
00:51:11,872 --> 00:51:14,575
which the total will be
about £200,000.

923
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:19,145
Yeah, OK.

924
00:51:19,179 --> 00:51:21,499
You know when we were
talking to Jim the other day,

925
00:51:21,523 --> 00:51:24,450
finance is
really difficult for me,

926
00:51:24,484 --> 00:51:25,686
and I know that we're talking

927
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,754
about the money
going up and everything.

928
00:51:27,788 --> 00:51:29,723
But I'm trying to think about
how to make it,

929
00:51:29,756 --> 00:51:32,037
and I did actually think that
I was gonna have a mortgage.

930
00:51:32,061 --> 00:51:36,329
But I've applied for
a management training program,

931
00:51:36,362 --> 00:51:38,732
for people who work
in arts management.

932
00:51:38,765 --> 00:51:41,134
Does that mean you go off
for a year and do that?

933
00:51:41,167 --> 00:51:42,836
It does... Yeah, it does.

934
00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:46,507
But 700 people applied for it
and there's only 10 places.

935
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:49,475
‐ Yeah, but you'll get it.
‐ No, no, I won't get it.

936
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:51,444
But I thought
I may as well just see.

937
00:51:51,477 --> 00:51:55,181
‐ When does that start, then?
‐ September.

938
00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:58,251
Right, if I owned
Lost Vagueness,

939
00:51:58,284 --> 00:52:01,588
then I would see it
as my life project.

940
00:52:01,622 --> 00:52:03,323
But I don't own Lost Vagueness,

941
00:52:03,356 --> 00:52:06,426
so my life project
isn't Lost Vagueness.

942
00:52:06,459 --> 00:52:10,597
‐ It's my life.
‐ Right, OK. OK, yeah.

943
00:52:10,631 --> 00:52:13,734
Alright, well,
we need to work out

944
00:52:13,767 --> 00:52:16,336
who's gonna replace you
when you go and do that.

945
00:52:23,977 --> 00:52:27,548
A new company,
IV events, was formed.

946
00:52:27,581 --> 00:52:30,984
I found it difficult to watch
as it began selling its parties

947
00:52:31,017 --> 00:52:32,919
at international trade fairs.

948
00:52:32,953 --> 00:52:36,256
Absolutely, yeah. Obviously
you can only do one thing here.

949
00:52:36,289 --> 00:52:37,724
But if you look at the pictures,

950
00:52:37,758 --> 00:52:39,693
we do everything from one end
of the production

951
00:52:39,726 --> 00:52:41,862
through to the recycling
at the other end.

952
00:52:41,895 --> 00:52:44,598
There you go. There you go.

953
00:52:44,631 --> 00:52:46,299
Hello.

954
00:52:47,634 --> 00:52:49,636
This is us
smartening up our act.

955
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:50,737
Are you alright?

956
00:52:50,771 --> 00:52:51,938
The bigger it got,

957
00:52:51,972 --> 00:52:53,540
the more things went wrong,

958
00:52:53,574 --> 00:52:54,741
and as they did,

959
00:52:54,775 --> 00:52:56,510
I saw a different side to Roy

960
00:52:56,543 --> 00:52:58,612
compared with the man
that I knew from Glastonbury.

961
00:52:58,645 --> 00:53:01,447
He's promised us it would
all be here by lunchtime.

962
00:53:01,481 --> 00:53:03,283
It's still not here.

963
00:53:03,316 --> 00:53:05,886
These are fucking pieces
of toilet paper

964
00:53:05,919 --> 00:53:08,722
and we're losing our business
for this.

965
00:53:08,755 --> 00:53:10,624
But what am I supposed
to do about it

966
00:53:10,657 --> 00:53:12,993
to make him fucking
get his finger out of his arse

967
00:53:13,026 --> 00:53:14,928
‐ and sort out the problem?
‐ I don't know.

968
00:53:14,961 --> 00:53:16,963
‐ What do we do? ‐ I don't know.

969
00:53:16,997 --> 00:53:19,499
He has fucked things up
really badly a few times

970
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:20,834
by losing the plot with people

971
00:53:20,867 --> 00:53:22,736
that he didn't need
to lose the plot with.

972
00:53:22,769 --> 00:53:26,740
He's put himself and everything
else in jeopardy numerous times.

973
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:31,011
Arguably, it's his thing to put
in jeopardy, so, you know,

974
00:53:31,044 --> 00:53:33,313
if he fucks it, you know,
we'll all be alright.

975
00:53:33,346 --> 00:53:36,950
If he fucks it up, it's his life
that's gonna be gone,

976
00:53:36,983 --> 00:53:38,652
you know, not ours.

977
00:53:38,685 --> 00:53:41,888
What about kind of
what really drives that.

978
00:53:41,922 --> 00:53:43,524
You know what it is,
I think, Sofia,

979
00:53:43,557 --> 00:53:46,026
it's because he has come
from a background,

980
00:53:46,059 --> 00:53:47,894
I'm not gonna say
too much about it,

981
00:53:47,928 --> 00:53:52,599
but he left home at a very...
quite an early age,

982
00:53:52,633 --> 00:53:56,469
due to difficult circumstances,
and went off to make it.

983
00:53:56,502 --> 00:53:58,672
And I think essentially
the answer you're looking for,

984
00:53:58,705 --> 00:54:00,465
and, of course,
it comes from me and not him,

985
00:54:00,489 --> 00:54:04,745
is that it's an attempt
to prove himself in some way,

986
00:54:04,778 --> 00:54:08,515
to say "This is what I...
I've made good," you know.

987
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:10,817
I'm not sure who he's trying
to prove himself to,

988
00:54:10,851 --> 00:54:14,420
whether it be his parents,
his family.

989
00:54:22,696 --> 00:54:27,968
♪ You of all people Say you...

990
00:54:28,001 --> 00:54:31,404
I was very, very close
to my mum.

991
00:54:31,437 --> 00:54:34,040
I think we all were.

992
00:54:34,074 --> 00:54:36,810
Yeah, I mean,
we did have happy times,

993
00:54:36,843 --> 00:54:40,480
but a lot of the time
it was spoiled.

994
00:54:45,351 --> 00:54:48,454
Describe my mum?

995
00:54:50,023 --> 00:54:52,893
Very tolerant.

996
00:54:52,926 --> 00:54:55,862
I don't remember
ever hearing her say no.

997
00:54:55,896 --> 00:54:58,398
Always trying to feed people.

998
00:54:58,431 --> 00:55:00,901
Could never go out
without putting on makeup

999
00:55:00,934 --> 00:55:04,037
and being dressed up.

1000
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:06,607
But I think that was pressure
from my father.

1001
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,909
Everything had to be
the way he wanted it to be

1002
00:55:08,942 --> 00:55:11,812
rather than
how she wanted it to be.

1003
00:55:16,617 --> 00:55:19,052
And he was always
horrible to her.

1004
00:55:19,085 --> 00:55:20,887
He was quite a violent man.

1005
00:55:23,023 --> 00:55:25,391
He was very volatile.

1006
00:55:25,425 --> 00:55:27,794
When there were arguments
and he hit me

1007
00:55:27,828 --> 00:55:30,564
because I used to shout,
"Leave her alone"

1008
00:55:30,597 --> 00:55:33,033
and I used to get really angry,

1009
00:55:33,066 --> 00:55:34,868
and my mum would say,
"Be quiet."

1010
00:55:34,901 --> 00:55:39,105
He'd tear up her clothes,
he'd smash things

1011
00:55:39,139 --> 00:55:41,407
and then he'd storm out.

1012
00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:44,911
And we'd say, "Please lock
him out. Don't let him back."

1013
00:55:44,945 --> 00:55:47,180
You know, we just had to be
really, really careful.

1014
00:56:14,174 --> 00:56:16,109
I think we were
building up to Glastonbury

1015
00:56:16,142 --> 00:56:19,112
and I bumped into Roy and he
was sort of having a moan,

1016
00:56:19,145 --> 00:56:22,983
said, "Oh, here we go again.
It's all starting up."

1017
00:56:23,016 --> 00:56:27,654
And I said, "You know, Roy,
I think you should just stop."

1018
00:56:27,688 --> 00:56:28,968
"You know, why are you moaning?"

1019
00:56:28,992 --> 00:56:30,857
"If you don't like doing it,

1020
00:56:30,891 --> 00:56:33,159
you know, just stop doing it,
if it's too stressful."

1021
00:56:33,193 --> 00:56:35,495
He didn't make it easier
for himself

1022
00:56:35,529 --> 00:56:38,865
'cause it expanded from
sort of 200 people to 20,000.

1023
00:56:59,085 --> 00:57:02,088
Can someone walk over to my
trailer and give Emma a radio?

1024
00:57:02,122 --> 00:57:05,458
I just need
to talk to her briefly.

1025
00:57:05,491 --> 00:57:07,928
Hi, Roy. I've got a radio.

1026
00:57:07,961 --> 00:57:10,263
Hello. I'm...

1027
00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:15,235
I've just phoned Melvin and
I said that I've been made aware

1028
00:57:15,268 --> 00:57:19,105
that my planes
are over at Trash City

1029
00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:21,808
and I'm going over there now
to repossess them.

1030
00:57:21,842 --> 00:57:27,147
There was somebody
setting up, um, a bar

1031
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:30,584
in the cockpit of an aeroplane,
a lad called Phil.

1032
00:57:30,617 --> 00:57:35,889
I've been doing a cafe
with Lost Vagueness

1033
00:57:35,922 --> 00:57:37,624
since the first year.

1034
00:57:37,658 --> 00:57:41,027
I started thinking
about getting some aeroplanes

1035
00:57:41,061 --> 00:57:42,629
three or four years ago.

1036
00:57:42,663 --> 00:57:45,165
When I mentioned it to Roy,
he said,

1037
00:57:45,198 --> 00:57:49,069
"Oh, that's a crap idea.
You should do a boat."

1038
00:57:49,102 --> 00:57:51,304
Which makes me laugh now.

1039
00:57:51,337 --> 00:57:56,242
Phil was either married to
or in a relationship with Debs,

1040
00:57:56,276 --> 00:57:58,111
who was working with Roy.

1041
00:57:58,144 --> 00:58:02,583
Phil obviously was doing the
diner in Trash City that year,

1042
00:58:02,616 --> 00:58:06,687
so I was hearing about it,
but I wasn't going there.

1043
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,190
I wasn't going up
to Lost Vagueness then.

1044
00:58:10,223 --> 00:58:14,194
I was, like, very much staying
down near the pyramid stage

1045
00:58:14,227 --> 00:58:18,064
in my little safety world,
basically.

1046
00:58:18,098 --> 00:58:20,967
And why did you
make that choice, then?

1047
00:58:21,001 --> 00:58:25,205
Because I would have been too
scared to go to Lost Vagueness,

1048
00:58:25,238 --> 00:58:27,207
truth be told, in that year.

1049
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,776
There's no doubt
that these are the two cockpits.

1050
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:32,112
They are the two
very same cockpits

1051
00:58:32,145 --> 00:58:35,148
that were used outside the diner
at Lost Vagueness in 2005.

1052
00:58:35,181 --> 00:58:36,950
‐ There's no doubt about that.
‐ No doubt.

1053
00:58:36,983 --> 00:58:42,288
‐ What's in doubt...
‐ They're mine. They are mine.

1054
00:58:42,322 --> 00:58:44,357
They're claiming they're theirs,
you don't know,

1055
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:46,593
and I'm not asking you
to judge that.

1056
00:58:46,627 --> 00:58:48,094
We agreed upon

1057
00:58:48,128 --> 00:58:51,732
that they would not be used
here in this context.

1058
00:58:51,765 --> 00:58:54,205
They belong to Lost Vagueness
and that's the end of the story.

1059
00:58:54,229 --> 00:58:56,269
‐ I've got the receipt.
‐ So have I.

1060
00:58:56,302 --> 00:58:59,072
‐ Show us, then.
‐ I don't have to.

1061
00:58:59,105 --> 00:59:02,142
I show you a receipt, you grab
it and run off with it,

1062
00:59:02,175 --> 00:59:04,945
'cause you'd thieve that the
same as you thieved the planes.

1063
00:59:04,978 --> 00:59:07,881
‐ Who's been paying the storage?
‐ Me.

1064
00:59:07,914 --> 00:59:10,283
No, you haven't.
Show me the receipt.

1065
00:59:10,316 --> 00:59:13,086
Show me a receipt.
I've got receipts.

1066
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,956
Show me a receipt.
Show me the receipt.

1067
00:59:15,989 --> 00:59:17,658
Hang on. Show me the receipt.

1068
00:59:17,691 --> 00:59:19,826
You're showing me the receipt.
Go on.

1069
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:22,829
You see the problem is that
we agreed that these planes

1070
00:59:22,863 --> 00:59:24,865
were the planes outside
Lost Vagueness last year

1071
00:59:24,898 --> 00:59:27,734
and they will not be
being used here, right?

1072
00:59:27,768 --> 00:59:30,370
OK, well, I'll tell you what,
Melvin, you deal with this.

1073
00:59:30,403 --> 00:59:32,939
I'm gonna fucking tell
everyone in my area

1074
00:59:32,973 --> 00:59:36,009
to fuck off and go home,
including myself.

1075
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:39,179
‐ You've won, Melvin.
‐ I haven't won.

1076
00:59:39,212 --> 00:59:43,617
You can have your fake Lost
Vagueness all to your very self.

1077
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:46,019
Shut the field.

1078
00:59:46,052 --> 00:59:48,789
I can't shut these
camping fucking fields as well.

1079
00:59:48,822 --> 00:59:51,892
Alright. I'll fucking
do it myself, alright?

1080
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,962
If that's what you want,
I'll do it myself.

1081
00:59:55,996 --> 00:59:58,799
Sorry. This area is now shut.

1082
01:00:01,234 --> 01:00:03,604
You can't come back in.
Thank you.

1083
01:00:05,138 --> 01:00:08,174
He'll be alright. He's just
angry at the moment, isn't he?

1084
01:00:08,208 --> 01:00:09,488
Has he done this before?

1085
01:00:09,512 --> 01:00:11,044
What, kicked off?

1086
01:00:11,077 --> 01:00:13,246
No, threatened to shut
the whole thing down.

1087
01:00:13,279 --> 01:00:15,649
Um, probably,
not that I can remember,

1088
01:00:15,682 --> 01:00:19,920
but I don't really take any
of it that seriously, you know.

1089
01:00:19,953 --> 01:00:21,454
Maybe he has or maybe he hasn't.

1090
01:00:21,487 --> 01:00:24,725
He's a pretty explosive
kind of character.

1091
01:00:24,758 --> 01:00:27,327
Hello, Michael? Right, OK,
it's to do with these planes.

1092
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,195
They are in the middle
of that field.

1093
01:00:29,229 --> 01:00:32,465
Melvin is laughing at me,
telling me to fuck off.

1094
01:00:32,498 --> 01:00:33,934
So that is now what I'm doing,

1095
01:00:33,967 --> 01:00:35,468
but I'm taking all my stuff

1096
01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:37,237
and all my friends with me.

1097
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:41,842
So either those planes
get removed or it's all over.

1098
01:00:41,875 --> 01:00:44,310
I'll leave it with you,
you know.

1099
01:00:44,344 --> 01:00:46,379
I'm already now downing tools,

1100
01:00:46,412 --> 01:00:49,850
and I've got a lot of cameras
here already.

1101
01:00:49,883 --> 01:00:52,318
Well, the world's press'll
probably be interested

1102
01:00:52,352 --> 01:00:54,020
and I dare say so too...

1103
01:00:54,054 --> 01:00:57,257
Well, I dare say your punters
will be concerned

1104
01:00:57,290 --> 01:00:59,993
because they bought tickets
that include Lost Vagueness

1105
01:01:00,026 --> 01:01:01,461
but it won't be here.

1106
01:01:01,494 --> 01:01:04,765
OK, alright, yeah.
You ain't got long. Hurry up.

1107
01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:07,801
Alright, thank you. Bye‐bye.

1108
01:01:07,834 --> 01:01:09,970
Melvin was actually
dead against Roy,

1109
01:01:10,003 --> 01:01:12,372
sure, all manner of reasons.

1110
01:01:12,405 --> 01:01:15,742
And I was
defending him against...

1111
01:01:15,776 --> 01:01:17,177
I said, "I'm doing it anyway",

1112
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:19,513
whether you like it or not,"
sort of thing.

1113
01:01:19,546 --> 01:01:21,815
'Cause it's my show,
you know what I mean?

1114
01:01:26,186 --> 01:01:27,854
Well, the planes are there.

1115
01:01:27,888 --> 01:01:30,390
‐ Why don't you cover them over?
‐ I want them removed.

1116
01:01:30,423 --> 01:01:32,125
I want them picked up,
put in a barn.

1117
01:01:32,158 --> 01:01:34,127
They can stay there
till the end of the festival.

1118
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,931
Yeah, but they won't do it.
You were gonna resolve this.

1119
01:01:37,964 --> 01:01:40,433
I tried to resolve it.
We agreed.

1120
01:01:40,466 --> 01:01:44,971
We agreed that the planes,
they're in dispute of ownership,

1121
01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:47,508
and it was understood
that neither yourself nor Melvin

1122
01:01:47,541 --> 01:01:49,309
would judge who owns them.

1123
01:01:49,342 --> 01:01:51,244
That would be
for a court to decide.

1124
01:01:51,277 --> 01:01:54,915
You cannot have both planes
in that field and this.

1125
01:01:54,948 --> 01:01:58,384
It's a simple choice.
One or the other, not both.

1126
01:01:58,418 --> 01:02:00,220
One or the other. Simple.

1127
01:02:00,253 --> 01:02:02,388
I've got very complex feelings
about Lost Vagueness,

1128
01:02:02,422 --> 01:02:04,157
but this isn't the way
to behave,

1129
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:06,459
as a human,
do you know what I mean?

1130
01:02:06,492 --> 01:02:08,194
So that's what I think.

1131
01:02:08,228 --> 01:02:10,496
I don't think
any of the four people concerned

1132
01:02:10,531 --> 01:02:12,265
have behaved particularly well.

1133
01:02:12,298 --> 01:02:14,868
I think they've all been pretty
selfish and self‐absorbed

1134
01:02:14,901 --> 01:02:20,373
and, you know, creating a lot
of bad feeling between people

1135
01:02:20,406 --> 01:02:23,143
who have known and worked with
each other for years and years.

1136
01:02:23,176 --> 01:02:25,979
I don't give a fuck
about the fucking aeroplanes.

1137
01:02:27,548 --> 01:02:29,550
Did it matter
that they were there?

1138
01:02:29,583 --> 01:02:31,351
‐ They? ‐ The planes.

1139
01:02:31,384 --> 01:02:34,788
Lost Vagueness was already
an established, safe thing.

1140
01:02:34,821 --> 01:02:37,457
Well, it kind of mattered

1141
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:42,863
because there was definitely
more of that to come.

1142
01:02:42,896 --> 01:02:44,531
I felt murmurings
that the chapel

1143
01:02:44,565 --> 01:02:47,433
wanted to have its independence
and go somewhere else,

1144
01:02:47,467 --> 01:02:50,904
and the trailer park wanted
to go somewhere else and...

1145
01:02:50,937 --> 01:02:55,542
So all the component parts,
you know, the roller disco...

1146
01:02:55,576 --> 01:02:57,210
It was a coup, you know.

1147
01:02:57,243 --> 01:03:00,146
It was just
being done autonomously

1148
01:03:00,180 --> 01:03:03,016
by Phil and Debs and Melvin.

1149
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:05,385
That is mine.
That is mine. That is mine.

1150
01:03:05,418 --> 01:03:07,153
The contents of that tent
is mine.

1151
01:03:07,187 --> 01:03:08,989
The contents of that tent
is mine.

1152
01:03:09,022 --> 01:03:10,490
That tower is mine.

1153
01:03:10,524 --> 01:03:13,026
The contents of that is mine,
all the dodgems.

1154
01:03:13,059 --> 01:03:17,097
It's all mine. The bar is mine.
It all belongs to me. Yeah?

1155
01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:19,566
It's part of my show, Michael,
and they've taken it,

1156
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,002
and I'm not gonna allow
the rest of my show

1157
01:03:22,035 --> 01:03:25,038
to be picked up by anybody
willy‐nilly who comes in here

1158
01:03:25,071 --> 01:03:28,341
and goes "Oh, I'm gonna carry on
working," 'cause they're not.

1159
01:03:28,374 --> 01:03:30,476
If I picked up the pyramid
and left it

1160
01:03:30,511 --> 01:03:33,146
with a cardboard cutout version
over there

1161
01:03:33,179 --> 01:03:35,048
and I opened up
in a field across there

1162
01:03:35,081 --> 01:03:37,117
with Glaston Poo Festival, yeah,

1163
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:39,352
I think you'd have
a problem with it.

1164
01:03:39,385 --> 01:03:41,988
I can understand
where Roy was coming from on it,

1165
01:03:42,022 --> 01:03:46,192
but I think he sort of...

1166
01:03:46,226 --> 01:03:49,596
he needed to get over it,
really, and move on.

1167
01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:53,166
We valued what he did,
as hard work as he was.

1168
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,969
Bloody hell. I mean...

1169
01:03:58,371 --> 01:04:00,874
Have you been following Roy
all morning?

1170
01:04:00,907 --> 01:04:04,044
‐ Pretty much all day.
‐ So what's it about this time?

1171
01:04:04,077 --> 01:04:09,349
The planes in Trash City.
Still about the planes.

1172
01:04:09,382 --> 01:04:12,252
What, and Roy thinks he owns
them and they're in Trash City?

1173
01:04:12,285 --> 01:04:15,255
‐ So he's canceling it?
‐ They're his, are they?

1174
01:04:15,288 --> 01:04:20,126
Who knows? You're his
and I'm his. We're all his.

1175
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,496
‐ You've gotta stop filming now.
‐ OK.

1176
01:04:23,530 --> 01:04:25,265
Can we move one of the planes?

1177
01:04:25,298 --> 01:04:27,300
Alright,
we'll have one back here.

1178
01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:31,037
We'll split the baby in half.
I want to say which one I want.

1179
01:04:31,071 --> 01:04:33,339
‐ I'm gonna tell you.
‐ No, you can't.

1180
01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:35,441
‐ I'm gonna tell you.
‐ No, I'm gonna tell you.

1181
01:04:35,475 --> 01:04:37,511
- ‐ No, you're not.
- ‐ Then there's no deal.

1182
01:04:37,544 --> 01:04:39,245
Crazy, you really are.

1183
01:04:39,279 --> 01:04:42,182
Well, yeah,
maybe I am, maybe I am.

1184
01:04:42,215 --> 01:04:44,017
I'm as crazy as you, Michael.

1185
01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:45,986
For the sake of the peace of it,

1186
01:04:46,019 --> 01:04:47,320
we would remove almost certainly

1187
01:04:47,353 --> 01:04:49,289
the one that Roy
would want removed.

1188
01:04:49,322 --> 01:04:54,160
I wanna know what I'm
agreeing to. I'm unclear now.

1189
01:04:54,194 --> 01:04:56,296
To removal of the bar,
but not down to here.

1190
01:04:56,329 --> 01:04:58,031
Do you think, in hindsight,

1191
01:04:58,064 --> 01:05:00,066
it could have been
handled differently?

1192
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,860
Everything can always
be handled differently.

1193
01:05:01,884 --> 01:05:04,170
I don't think I could've
handled it any differently.

1194
01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:07,608
I could have just gone,
"Yeah, help yourself, you know,

1195
01:05:07,641 --> 01:05:11,211
here's the bank account, here's
all the trucks, here's..."

1196
01:05:11,244 --> 01:05:14,147
"I'll come and work for you,
you know. I'll volunteer."

1197
01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:17,150
I could've done that, yeah,
but, actually,

1198
01:05:17,183 --> 01:05:19,520
I don't know... I don't really
think anyone on the planet

1199
01:05:19,553 --> 01:05:21,588
in their right mind
would've done that.

1200
01:05:21,622 --> 01:05:23,223
I'm gonna take it away.

1201
01:05:23,256 --> 01:05:25,258
I'll get people
working again, right,

1202
01:05:25,291 --> 01:05:26,960
but I'm also letting you know

1203
01:05:26,993 --> 01:05:30,130
it's purely about,
A, a matter of principle,

1204
01:05:30,163 --> 01:05:33,634
and, B, about me trying to save
the existence of this

1205
01:05:33,667 --> 01:05:35,135
and not destroy it,

1206
01:05:35,168 --> 01:05:37,137
and I feel like
I've been walked over.

1207
01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:39,339
I'm sorry, that genuinely
isn't my intention,

1208
01:05:39,372 --> 01:05:41,975
because, you know,
I love what you do.

1209
01:05:42,008 --> 01:05:44,611
Great. Get on with that
and I'll get on with this.

1210
01:05:44,645 --> 01:05:46,980
See you later.

1211
01:05:50,016 --> 01:05:52,285
‐ What's happening?
‐ Alright, let's carry on, then.

1212
01:05:52,318 --> 01:05:54,387
Let's carry on!

1213
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:58,324
Roy to all listening
on the Lost Vagueness channel.

1214
01:05:58,358 --> 01:06:01,762
That's... I think
that's Lost Vagueness one,

1215
01:06:01,795 --> 01:06:03,697
Glastonbury Festival nil.

1216
01:06:03,730 --> 01:06:06,099
If we can all just ignore
the last half hour

1217
01:06:06,132 --> 01:06:07,233
and just carry on.

1218
01:06:07,267 --> 01:06:10,170
Sun's shining. It's brilliant.

1219
01:06:10,203 --> 01:06:13,473
Cheers for that, you twat.

1220
01:06:13,507 --> 01:06:17,243
- ‐ Yeah, I love you too, Russell.
- ‐.

1221
01:06:19,513 --> 01:06:22,182
He's lost his mind.

1222
01:06:22,215 --> 01:06:24,417
He's got issues that none of us
are responsible for.

1223
01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:27,187
These people just work,
they work hard

1224
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:30,056
and they believe in something,
they're happy to play together.

1225
01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:31,525
It was really hard

1226
01:06:31,558 --> 01:06:34,761
to watch all of your friends
be that angry

1227
01:06:34,795 --> 01:06:36,697
and see someone be such a dick.

1228
01:06:36,730 --> 01:06:38,665
And I think
he was having a breakdown,

1229
01:06:38,699 --> 01:06:41,401
like, I think the generous
interpretation of those events

1230
01:06:41,434 --> 01:06:43,570
is that he was having
a breakdown.

1231
01:07:03,890 --> 01:07:06,527
♪ Danke schoen

1232
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,496
♪ Darling, danke schoen

1233
01:07:10,531 --> 01:07:17,503
♪ Thank you for
all the joy and pain

1234
01:07:17,538 --> 01:07:23,409
♪ Picture show, second balcony

1235
01:07:23,443 --> 01:07:27,548
♪ Was the place we'd meet
Second seat

1236
01:07:27,581 --> 01:07:31,251
♪ Go Dutch treat You were sweet

1237
01:07:31,284 --> 01:07:33,286
♪ Danke schoen

1238
01:07:33,319 --> 01:07:37,123
♪ Darling, danke schoen

1239
01:07:37,157 --> 01:07:42,529
♪ Save those lies
Darling, don't explain...

1240
01:07:42,563 --> 01:07:44,665
Fucking hell.

1241
01:07:44,698 --> 01:07:46,299
This is it now. I mean, look.

1242
01:07:46,332 --> 01:07:48,702
Another black cloud
on its way over,

1243
01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:51,705
dump some more deluge on us.

1244
01:07:51,738 --> 01:07:54,541
There is no rest.
Apparently we're wicked.

1245
01:07:54,575 --> 01:07:56,710
Must be the case.

1246
01:07:56,743 --> 01:08:00,146
Beginning to think the
festival's being run by Satan.

1247
01:08:01,815 --> 01:08:05,752
Pretty tired
and quite happy to leave.

1248
01:08:05,786 --> 01:08:09,422
‐ Are you? ‐ Yeah, I am.

1249
01:08:09,455 --> 01:08:11,525
Roy?

1250
01:08:11,558 --> 01:08:15,428
‐ I'm just...
‐ I haven't got any, no.

1251
01:08:15,461 --> 01:08:18,198
‐ Pete? Pete? ‐ Yeah?

1252
01:08:18,231 --> 01:08:20,601
It was really easy to walk away

1253
01:08:20,634 --> 01:08:23,436
from something
which was so dysfunctional,

1254
01:08:23,469 --> 01:08:26,172
and I didn't really have
any regrets.

1255
01:08:26,206 --> 01:08:29,876
I didn't feel like, "The party's
carrying on without me."

1256
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:33,714
Like, I felt like the party's
gonna end really soon

1257
01:08:33,747 --> 01:08:36,382
and it's OK.

1258
01:08:36,416 --> 01:08:41,688
Like, everything
was so messed up at the end.

1259
01:08:41,722 --> 01:08:45,191
It was on its knees,
you know. It was dying.

1260
01:08:45,225 --> 01:08:46,760
What killed it?

1261
01:08:48,629 --> 01:08:52,566
I think probably
lack of communication.

1262
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:55,335
I think the unsustainability
of the gigs that came afterwards

1263
01:08:55,368 --> 01:08:57,904
were, like, made it so that
it was actually impossible

1264
01:08:57,938 --> 01:09:02,509
to pay 500 people to do a gig
on a budget of two grand,

1265
01:09:02,543 --> 01:09:05,245
and that added
extra pressure to Roy.

1266
01:09:05,278 --> 01:09:11,384
And maybe his response was...
not ideal for some people.

1267
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:28,802
That was the end
of Lost Vagueness,

1268
01:09:28,835 --> 01:09:30,704
and I didn't know what to expect

1269
01:09:30,737 --> 01:09:34,541
when I found Roy and everyone
else seven years later.

1270
01:09:34,575 --> 01:09:37,343
Would he be dreaming up
new ventures,

1271
01:09:37,377 --> 01:09:39,913
or would he be living
a quieter life?

1272
01:09:42,716 --> 01:09:44,951
Yeah, yeah.

1273
01:09:44,985 --> 01:09:47,721
We're just a bit too old
for this shit, aren't we?

1274
01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:54,628
Crazy. Your end, Roy.

1275
01:09:54,661 --> 01:09:56,630
That's the one.

1276
01:09:57,631 --> 01:10:00,333
It was essentially my decision

1277
01:10:00,366 --> 01:10:07,473
that I wouldn't be going back
in 2008.

1278
01:10:07,508 --> 01:10:12,478
Um, as I recall, I had
discussed that with Michael,

1279
01:10:12,513 --> 01:10:14,433
that I said that
I wouldn't be able to come back,

1280
01:10:14,457 --> 01:10:15,849
and then he sent me
a letter going,

1281
01:10:15,882 --> 01:10:18,484
"Thanks, but we don't
want you to come back."

1282
01:10:18,519 --> 01:10:20,521
After 20 years working there,

1283
01:10:20,554 --> 01:10:22,823
didn't even get
a carriage clock.

1284
01:10:24,991 --> 01:10:26,459
But I did get
a thank‐you letter.

1285
01:10:26,492 --> 01:10:28,328
I don't know where it is.

1286
01:10:28,361 --> 01:10:31,932
After that, there was
this whole other scene born,

1287
01:10:31,965 --> 01:10:34,935
which was all the people
who had worked with Roy

1288
01:10:34,968 --> 01:10:36,537
who remained here,

1289
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,506
and we had
this whole fresh, new scene,

1290
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:41,407
and we came up
with the name Shangri‐La,

1291
01:10:41,441 --> 01:10:43,810
because whenever we'd been
away, my dad would be, like,

1292
01:10:43,844 --> 01:10:45,712
"We're back here at Shangri‐La."

1293
01:10:45,746 --> 01:10:47,914
He always called it Shangri‐La.

1294
01:11:01,962 --> 01:11:04,122
There's gonna be, like,
a main TV studio in the middle,

1295
01:11:04,146 --> 01:11:06,667
where all the TV programs
will be getting made.

1296
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:08,802
Shangri‐Hell
International Television.

1297
01:11:08,835 --> 01:11:10,771
You won't be able to avoid it
everywhere you go.

1298
01:11:10,804 --> 01:11:12,639
Bloody hell.

1299
01:11:12,673 --> 01:11:15,642
Kids area we're calling
it, but it's really not.

1300
01:11:28,855 --> 01:11:30,524
The baton's been passed to me,

1301
01:11:30,557 --> 01:11:33,359
I think 'cause
I've hung in there,

1302
01:11:33,393 --> 01:11:35,095
because I really believed in it,

1303
01:11:35,128 --> 01:11:39,132
how art can transform people
and change lives.

1304
01:11:39,165 --> 01:11:41,134
Get your Shangri Liar here.

1305
01:11:41,167 --> 01:11:45,739
No bullshit in this paper.
Come on, now. It's only a pound.

1306
01:11:45,772 --> 01:11:48,809
All proceeds go
to the refugees in Calais.

1307
01:11:48,842 --> 01:11:50,911
I met these guys from Torquay.

1308
01:11:50,944 --> 01:11:52,713
What they were saying to me was,

1309
01:11:52,746 --> 01:11:58,484
this place made them
think out of the box.

1310
01:11:58,519 --> 01:12:00,921
That's the legacy,
because how many million people

1311
01:12:00,954 --> 01:12:03,156
have been through here
in 25 years

1312
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:05,926
and gone "What? I didn't even
know that existed"?

1313
01:12:05,959 --> 01:12:08,479
I'm not sure exactly what
the legacy of Lost Vagueness is,

1314
01:12:08,503 --> 01:12:10,597
except that we're still here
in most cases.

1315
01:12:10,631 --> 01:12:14,167
There's no doubt that this has
followed on in its footsteps,

1316
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,103
with largely
the same core group of people,

1317
01:12:17,137 --> 01:12:20,774
with obviously some key people
sadly not there.

1318
01:12:22,475 --> 01:12:24,177
The festival's
completely changed,

1319
01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:27,548
but it's had to.

1320
01:12:27,581 --> 01:12:30,450
I don't know
what Roy would make of it now.

1321
01:12:30,483 --> 01:12:32,519
I like to think
that he would get it,

1322
01:12:32,553 --> 01:12:35,889
because it is a real
punk attitude behind it

1323
01:12:35,922 --> 01:12:38,592
that's the same.

1324
01:12:45,532 --> 01:12:48,134
Roy and his gang
created a entire culture

1325
01:12:48,168 --> 01:12:49,770
which we see around us today

1326
01:12:49,803 --> 01:12:54,575
in cabaret,
performance art and music.

1327
01:12:54,608 --> 01:12:58,144
Now all‐night entertainment
and boutique camping

1328
01:12:58,178 --> 01:12:59,780
is everywhere.

1329
01:13:02,082 --> 01:13:04,618
We met all these
really amazing people

1330
01:13:04,651 --> 01:13:08,655
who are now so deeply entrenched
in what the festival is now.

1331
01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:11,958
They are part of the fiber
of the whole thing.

1332
01:13:11,992 --> 01:13:16,663
So... So we've got Roy
to thank for that, really.

1333
01:13:16,697 --> 01:13:19,165
Michael wanted to put
a statue of him up.

1334
01:13:24,104 --> 01:13:28,742
On the Saturday night,
I go right through the night.

1335
01:13:28,775 --> 01:13:31,244
One o'clock, two o'clock,
three o'clock, four,

1336
01:13:31,277 --> 01:13:33,079
and finish up
at five o'clock in the morning

1337
01:13:33,113 --> 01:13:34,981
when the daylight breaks,

1338
01:13:35,015 --> 01:13:36,717
and to see the whole thing,

1339
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,853
it really is incredible,
absolutely amazing.

1340
01:13:39,886 --> 01:13:42,122
How does that make you
feel? Do you feel proud?

1341
01:13:42,155 --> 01:13:44,224
Oh, I feel tired.

1342
01:13:47,493 --> 01:13:49,813
Let's just listen to
the rhythms of our flesh aging

1343
01:13:49,837 --> 01:13:52,566
and watch the stars glow,
be your real self.

1344
01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:54,735
Show the things
they say you can't show.

1345
01:13:54,768 --> 01:13:56,870
Breathe deep
to the boom‐bap of the beat.

1346
01:13:56,903 --> 01:13:59,172
Believe what your heart knows,
let the bars flow tight

1347
01:13:59,205 --> 01:14:01,608
and love with pure energy.

1348
01:14:03,176 --> 01:14:05,612
It's a cold night in London

1349
01:14:05,646 --> 01:14:10,651
and I'm screaming at my loved
ones to wake up and love more.

1350
01:14:10,684 --> 01:14:15,556
I'm pleading with my loved ones
to wake up and love more.

1351
01:14:15,589 --> 01:14:18,625
‐ ‐ Take care of each other.

1352
01:14:18,659 --> 01:14:22,062
I wanna say one thing. I say it
every time I'm at Glastonbury.

1353
01:14:22,095 --> 01:14:23,830
When you see someone
fucked up in the mud,

1354
01:14:23,864 --> 01:14:25,966
then you pick them up
and you give 'em some water.

1355
01:14:25,999 --> 01:14:27,901
Imagine you could take that
home with you

1356
01:14:27,934 --> 01:14:30,671
and actually care about
your fellow humans.

1357
01:14:30,704 --> 01:14:32,906
Take it at home.
Do it on the Tube.

1358
01:14:32,939 --> 01:14:36,042
Do it on the fucking street.
Do it in fucking Calais.

1359
01:14:36,076 --> 01:14:38,679
Take it home. Do it.

1360
01:14:38,712 --> 01:14:40,747
Ladies and gentlemen,

1361
01:14:40,781 --> 01:14:46,286
the most amazing Kate Tempest
and Kwake Bass!

1362
01:14:55,896 --> 01:14:58,198
What's so exciting
about Glastonbury

1363
01:14:58,231 --> 01:15:02,335
is the enormous scale
of creative risks.

1364
01:15:02,368 --> 01:15:05,205
If Michael Eavis hadn't
have taken a chance on Roy,

1365
01:15:05,238 --> 01:15:08,575
there wouldn't have been
a Lost Vagueness.

1366
01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:14,014
But who are the mavericks today
and who will be their champion?

1367
01:15:14,047 --> 01:15:16,349
Roy was very cantankerous.

1368
01:15:16,382 --> 01:15:18,685
We were all a little bit scared
of him, actually.

1369
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:22,022
But he was
really generous to me,

1370
01:15:22,055 --> 01:15:24,257
and his vision was brilliant.

1371
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,963
It was breaking down
audience‐performer boundaries

1372
01:15:29,996 --> 01:15:31,632
that then had so much influence

1373
01:15:31,665 --> 01:15:34,167
on Secret Cinema and Shunt
and Punchdrunk

1374
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,102
and everything else
that's out there now.

1375
01:15:36,136 --> 01:15:40,373
Actually, they were on the cusp
of something enormous,

1376
01:15:40,406 --> 01:15:41,875
and it's sad, really,

1377
01:15:41,908 --> 01:15:44,010
'cause what Roy created
was extraordinary,

1378
01:15:44,044 --> 01:15:48,682
and if he could've
got over that hump

1379
01:15:48,715 --> 01:15:54,354
of allowing people
to be inspired by him

1380
01:15:54,387 --> 01:15:58,358
rather than fearing them,

1381
01:15:58,391 --> 01:16:00,193
I think he would've gone on

1382
01:16:00,226 --> 01:16:02,929
and created great things,
really, would be my view.

1383
01:16:02,963 --> 01:16:05,999
In a way, though,
isn't Roy kind of being true

1384
01:16:06,032 --> 01:16:07,934
to the spirit
of what Lost Vagueness was,

1385
01:16:07,968 --> 01:16:09,688
and we've all kind of sold out
a little bit?

1386
01:16:09,712 --> 01:16:11,337
You know,
we've all got proper jobs

1387
01:16:11,371 --> 01:16:13,740
and we live in houses
and, you know...

1388
01:16:13,774 --> 01:16:16,055
There was something about the
anarchy which he's held onto

1389
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:19,315
that we've all
just kind of sacked off.

1390
01:16:20,313 --> 01:16:21,848
You know, I definitely have.

1391
01:16:21,882 --> 01:16:24,284
What do you think about that?

1392
01:16:24,317 --> 01:16:29,189
I'm alright with it.
I've got central heating.

1393
01:16:42,969 --> 01:16:44,938
I've carried on with Shangri‐La,

1394
01:16:44,971 --> 01:16:49,976
but it's meant that I have not
been able to buy a house,

1395
01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:51,778
like most people have.

1396
01:16:51,812 --> 01:16:54,781
I haven't got any assets.
I haven't got any savings.

1397
01:16:54,815 --> 01:16:57,784
I've literally just put my life
into doing this thing

1398
01:16:57,818 --> 01:17:05,759
because I think just creating
is the reason that I exist.

1399
01:17:11,798 --> 01:17:14,935
Lost Vagueness, it was
a bit of a runaway train.

1400
01:17:14,968 --> 01:17:18,304
I'm happy that it stopped.

1401
01:17:18,338 --> 01:17:22,442
I would probably either be
clinically insane or dead

1402
01:17:22,475 --> 01:17:23,877
if it had carried on.

1403
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:26,713
By choice I live on my own now

1404
01:17:26,747 --> 01:17:28,982
and I have done for a while,

1405
01:17:29,015 --> 01:17:34,721
and I find, you know, it's less
burdensome on women generally

1406
01:17:34,755 --> 01:17:38,124
to not have them...
make them try to live with me,

1407
01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:41,461
because I don't think... I don't
think it works, you know.

1408
01:17:41,494 --> 01:17:44,731
You know, I've had four kids
and four relationships,

1409
01:17:44,765 --> 01:17:48,735
all of which, they all feel
better off without me,

1410
01:17:48,769 --> 01:17:51,471
so maybe... maybe
there's a message there.

1411
01:17:55,241 --> 01:17:58,945
With my youngest daughter,
I think it's somehow easier

1412
01:17:58,979 --> 01:18:01,948
because I've had
more time with her.

1413
01:18:03,483 --> 01:18:07,854
With my older ones, either
I left or I was thrown out.

1414
01:18:09,289 --> 01:18:13,093
I'm much more involved
with the upbringing of Lola.

1415
01:18:13,126 --> 01:18:16,763
She stays here every other
weekend and half the holidays,

1416
01:18:16,797 --> 01:18:20,767
and she goes off to work
with me.

1417
01:18:26,540 --> 01:18:29,743
Can you foresee a day
when you can make peace?

1418
01:18:29,776 --> 01:18:31,912
No, well,
I've sort of floated it around.

1419
01:18:31,945 --> 01:18:36,917
He could bring the chapel back
and just run the chapel,

1420
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:40,286
but I don't think they'd have
him back, that's the thing.

1421
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,422
Shame, isn't it, really?

1422
01:18:42,455 --> 01:18:46,326
The show goes on,
though, you see.

1423
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:48,128
It's been
a really, really long time

1424
01:18:48,161 --> 01:18:50,430
and I don't really
know him anymore.

1425
01:18:50,463 --> 01:18:52,032
It's hard to kind of feel angry

1426
01:18:52,065 --> 01:18:54,901
about someone
who's kind of a stranger.

1427
01:18:54,935 --> 01:18:57,403
Do you have
any fond memories of Roy?

1428
01:18:57,437 --> 01:19:00,941
Yeah, loads. Loads.
He was a really good friend.

1429
01:19:00,974 --> 01:19:05,445
He was, like, I had a break‐up
and he was fiercely protective

1430
01:19:05,478 --> 01:19:07,981
and really made sure
that I was OK

1431
01:19:08,014 --> 01:19:10,083
and that that person
didn't come near me.

1432
01:19:10,116 --> 01:19:13,286
And tried to give me
a car once. It was really nice.

1433
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,522
I took it to get an MOT
and they were, like,

1434
01:19:15,556 --> 01:19:18,391
the chassis thing
had snapped in half,

1435
01:19:18,424 --> 01:19:21,528
so it was totally undriveable.

1436
01:19:21,562 --> 01:19:24,364
But, you know,
and he must have known that,

1437
01:19:24,397 --> 01:19:26,567
but in his head it was fine,
you know.

1438
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,536
It was one of his classic, like,
disastrous vehicles.

1439
01:19:29,570 --> 01:19:32,906
And he was funny.
He could be funny.

1440
01:19:34,541 --> 01:19:37,210
In a dad way, you know.

1441
01:19:37,243 --> 01:19:39,813
It would have to be
in a dad way.

1442
01:19:45,118 --> 01:19:47,988
I did wanna make
a success of it.

1443
01:19:48,021 --> 01:19:50,390
I lived and still do,
effectively,

1444
01:19:50,423 --> 01:19:53,960
as a New Age traveler.

1445
01:19:53,994 --> 01:19:56,997
And, yeah, at the time I think
I was on a bit of a mission

1446
01:19:57,030 --> 01:20:00,166
to get it across that
these disenfranchised people,

1447
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:04,470
quite a lot were drug addicts,
a handful were alcoholics,

1448
01:20:04,504 --> 01:20:09,475
but there was a lot that were
much, much better than that.

1449
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:11,477
And those people now

1450
01:20:11,512 --> 01:20:15,616
are the ones that are creating
the arts in this country.

1451
01:20:18,619 --> 01:20:22,255
And maybe I was on a mission
to prove to myself

1452
01:20:22,288 --> 01:20:24,490
that I was better than that.