1 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,085 ♪ Oh, I love to hear the song of creation ♪ 2 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,687 ♪ The wind and the rhythm of the rain ♪ 3 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,771 ♪ Oh, the thunder, it speaks of your power ♪ 4 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,680 ♪ But there's something in the sound of the saints ♪ 5 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,771 ♪ I've been washed in the roar of the ocean ♪ 6 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,407 ♪ Found peace in the echoes of a cave ♪ 7 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,730 ♪ And the trees of the field, they clap their hands ♪ 8 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,162 ♪ But there's something in the sound of the saints ♪ 9 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,285 ♪ From the lips of those you saved ♪ 10 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,842 ♪ A redemption song will rise ♪ 11 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:36,602 ♪ With a sound so full it cracks the sky ♪ 12 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,486 ♪ Whoa, we sing hallelujah ♪ 13 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,321 ♪ Whoa, we sing amen ♪ 14 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,240 ♪ Hear the sound of the saints as we march onto Zion ♪ 15 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,251 ♪ Singing hallelujah, amen ♪ 16 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,490 ♪ Singing hallelujah, amen ♪ 17 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,130 ♪ I will hear the chorus of the angels ♪ 18 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,245 - -J' A forever symphony of praise ♪ 19 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,762 ♪ I long to hear the voice of my Savior ♪ 20 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,601 IAnd he hears us the sound of the saints ♪ 21 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,566 ♪ From the lips of those you saved ♪ 22 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,651 ♪ A redemption song will rise ♪ 23 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,651 ♪ Every tongue, every tribe hear the church, your bride ♪ 24 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,003 ♪ Whoa, we sing hallelujah ♪ 25 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,248 Oh, I'm running late, 0h. 26 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,522 ♪ Whoa, we sing amen ♪ 27 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:35,563 - ♪ Hear the sound of the saints ♪ - 28 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,409 ♪ As we march onto Zion ♪ 29 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,445 ♪ Singing hallelujah, amen ♪ 30 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,442 ♪ Singing hallelujah, amen ♪ 31 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:55,200 ♪ Whoa, whoa ♪ 32 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,442 ♪ Our hearts will rise ♪ 33 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,608 ♪ Our song shall be ♪ 34 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:06,922 ♪ Jesus Christ, our Savior King forever ♪ 35 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,162 ♪ Our hearts will rise ♪ 36 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,964 ♪ The saints will sing ♪ 37 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,051 ♪ Of Jesus Christ, our Savior King ♪ 38 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:23,160 ♪ Forever, forever ♪ 39 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,080 ♪ Whoa, we sing hallelujah ♪ 40 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,886 ♪ Whoa, we sing amen ♪ 41 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,891 ♪ Hear the sound of the saints as we march onto Zion ♪ 42 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,085 ♪ Singing hallelujah, amen ♪ 43 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,491 ♪ Hallelujah, amen ♪ 44 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,490 Brooke, we're all upset, but we need to move on. 45 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Honey, you're a junior now. 46 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,371 It's your make-or-break year, 47 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,687 so there's no room for self pity. 48 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,408 Can you give Marlene and I a ride to school today? 49 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,204 I'm sorry, honey, I don't have time. 50 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,641 I have an 8:30 with Marc Shelley at White & Wolfe. 51 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,256 What?! Richard, you didn't say anything! 52 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,282 How did you get the meeting? 53 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,368 It's just a meeting, so don't get too excited. 54 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,926 But it could be huge. 55 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,326 I know! 56 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,736 Who's going to the meeting with you? 57 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,489 Hey, I got the meeting. 58 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,444 I know, I just think maybe you should take Melinda or Janice. 59 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,449 Janice? You want me to take Janice? 60 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,403 - Yeah, why not? - I'm not taking Janice. 61 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,046 - Rough morning? - You know my parents. 62 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,845 Maybe they just need a little more time. 63 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,123 I don't know about that. 64 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,641 I'd say they're pretty over it. 65 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,411 My mom's making tacos tonight. 66 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,329 I'll let her know you're coming. 67 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,329 It's not like they'll miss me. 68 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,124 Brooke, I'm serious, honey. 69 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,163 You need to get focused or you could say, 70 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,045 "Good-bye Stanford, hello Somewhere State." 71 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,730 Got it. 72 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,091 Yikes. 73 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,571 Good morning! 74 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,966 Morning, Grace. 75 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,200 I keep telling you, you don't have to keep doing this. 76 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,645 Are you kidding? 77 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,649 This is the best part of my day, Gramps. 78 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,762 Pills first. 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,885 You're a good girl. 80 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,970 Ah, honey, you know I'm not gonna be around here forever, 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,761 and you might wanna start thinking about some other guy 82 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,009 you wanna have breakfast with. 83 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,804 I'll work on that. 84 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,201 (0K8)'- 85 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,402 You know, I love the way you do the oatmeal, 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,091 but what do you say 87 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,329 I take you out for bacon and eggs this morning, my treat. 88 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,841 Not after your last cholesterol test. 89 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Besides, I have some papers I have to grade 90 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,721 before the staff meeting. 91 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:35,126 I'm 81 years old, 92 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,801 and bacon is not gonna be what kills me. 93 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,005 Nice try, you're 82. 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,011 Yeah. 95 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,525 Good morning. 96 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,926 Have a nice day. 97 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,366 Morning, ladies. 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,766 Morning. 99 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,121 Good morning. 100 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,129 Hey, what do you call a teacher with no students? 101 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Unemployed. 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,728 I got it, how about ecstatic? 103 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,081 You're both right. Retired! 104 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,362 Only 36 days to go! 105 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,816 You know you're gonna miss the kids 106 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:15,205 when you're gone, Rizzo. 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,891 No, Grace. That's sweet, but no, I won't. 108 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,445 The older I get, 109 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,136 the more difficult these kids are to deal with. 110 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,650 I totally agree. 111 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,016 Yesterday, I just about snatched at Tim Webster. 112 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,644 That boy had me on my last nerve. 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,976 Well, I happen to think that difficult students 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,570 can be a blessing. 115 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,402 Grace, honey, when is this optimism ever gonna wear off? 116 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,004 Bill. Bill. 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,485 Bill. 118 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,571 Junk mail. 119 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,166 Oh, man! 120 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,204 David, why are you always so sad? 121 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,449 Hey! You're back! 122 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,931 Why are you back? 123 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,326 My pastor gave me permission 124 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,209 to finish my doctorate at Hadleigh, 125 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,565 so if that's okay with you, I'm gonna be here for awhile. 126 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,887 Oh, David, you are a mess. 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,331 What happened to you? 128 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,408 I woke up. 129 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,681 Okay, for 500 points, 130 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,165 for all the cheese, for the game. 131 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,124 This quote is from what document? 132 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,004 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, 133 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,400 "that all men are created equal, 134 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,010 "that they are endowed by their Creator 135 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,616 with certain unalienable rights, that among these..." 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,927 Boom, baby! 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,849 All right, Team 1, what's your answer? 138 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,203 Our answer is the Declaration of Independence. 139 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,721 That's... correct! 140 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,251 Team 1 wins! 141 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,681 Yes! 142 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,041 Okay, you guys, 143 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,216 Monday we will examine the assertion of individual rights 144 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,605 through the last century. 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,007 Have a good weekend. 146 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,809 Brooke, are you okay? 147 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,287 I'm fine. 148 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,209 Are you sure? 149 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,051 Yeah, thanks. 150 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,927 MS. Ryan? 151 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,806 I lied. 152 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,165 Are you sure you're being fair? 153 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,521 Trust me, they're over it, 154 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,086 and they expect me to be over it, too. 155 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,443 It's like to them, he never even existed. 156 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,130 The only thing that I know for sure 157 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,847 is that I'm never going to see my brother again. 158 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,531 Everybody's asked if there's anything that they can do. 159 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,244 The truth is, no one can do anything 160 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,964 because the only thing that I really want 161 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,570 is 5 more minutes to tell my brother 162 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,650 how I really felt about him. 163 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,401 Did your brother believe there was something more? 164 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,409 I don't know. 165 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,889 DO you? 166 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,816 Brooke, every person reaches a point in their life 167 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,002 when they ask themselves this question. 168 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,044 There's nothing wrong with you asking it, too. 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,643 You never let anything get to you. 170 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,768 How do you do that? 171 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,084 Jesus. 172 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,324 Hello? 173 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,726 How'd it go, Amy? 174 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,525 Michael. 175 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,849 It's gone. 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,169 My cancer's... it's gone. 177 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,931 Oh, my goodness! 178 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,530 That's incredible! 179 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:25,289 I know. I just... I can't believe it. 180 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,765 Isn't that what you prayed for? 181 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,442 Yes, of course. I just... 182 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,450 Prayer is a powerful thing, 183 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:38,963 and it turns out God has much bigger plans for you. 184 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,843 You okay, G race? 185 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,049 Yeah, I just can't stop thinking about Brooke. 186 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,889 You know, she's searching. 187 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,490 She's hurting. 188 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,491 Yeah, that's the thing about atheism. 189 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,208 It doesn't take away the pain; it just takes away the hope. 190 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,243 What'd you tell her? 191 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,725 The truth. 192 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,127 Now she's free to make her own choice. 193 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,129 Unfortunately, in this day and age, 194 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,087 people seem to forget that the most basic human right of all 195 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,527 is a right to know Jesus. 196 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,290 Let's put her on the prayer list. 197 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,529 Prayer always seems to be the last thing we do, 198 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,928 when it should be the first. 199 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,162 Now, how 'bout some more popcorn? 200 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,568 With a glycemic index of 100, not a chance. 201 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,887 I swear, Grace, if you don't start feeding me better, 202 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,846 I'm gonna leave you for a nursing home. 203 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,281 Well, that's it for me. 204 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,528 I'm going to bed. 205 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:47,920 Love ya. 206 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,690 I love you better. 207 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,848 Love you first. 208 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,246 That's unfair. 209 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,050 Gotcha! 210 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,691 Brooke, the people from that charity place are here 211 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,131 to pick up your brother's things. 212 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,403 Can you make sure they get everything? 213 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,171 And don't forget to put the milk away! 214 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,810 N"? 215 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,690 N"? 216 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,650 N"? 217 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,568 Well, that's the last of it. - Thank you. 218 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,047 And, well, I was loading one of the boxes onto the truck, 219 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,882 I noticed this and I thought you might wanna keep it. 220 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,207 So sorry for your loss. 221 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,090 N"? 222 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,130 N"? 223 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,365 And so, peaceful nonviolence 224 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,921 comes first in India under Gandhi, 225 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,216 and then later, here in the United States under Dr. King 226 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,210 and others as a means of achieving civil rights. 227 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,443 But what makes nonviolence so radical 228 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,450 is its unwavering commitment to a nonviolent approach, 229 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,803 not just initially, but in the face of escalating persecution 230 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,605 by the opposing force. 231 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,891 Yes? 232 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Isn't that sort of like what Jesus meant 233 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,281 when he said that we should love our enemies? 234 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,285 Yes. 235 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,562 The writer of the Gospel of Matthew 236 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,451 records Jesus as saying, "You have heard it said, 237 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,046 "love your neighbor and hate your enemy, 238 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,050 "but I tell you, love your enemies 239 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,845 "and pray for those who persecute you, 240 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,169 that you will be children of your Father in heaven," 241 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,449 which indicates a commitment to nonviolence. 242 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Dr. King confirmed the link, 243 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,763 describing his inspiration from Scripture, 244 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,566 saying Christ furnished the spirit and motivation, 245 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,762 while Gandhi furnished the method. 246 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,211 Except that that didn't work. 247 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,483 Jesus got himself killed and everybody knows that. 248 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,490 Well, so did Dr. King. 249 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,049 So, I guess itjust depends on how you measure success. 250 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,176 Both men created movements that survive to this day, 251 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,885 even though both paid the ultimate price 252 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,445 for their commitment to their ideals. 253 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,681 I still wouldn't do it. 254 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,529 Well, 255 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,529 not very many people have that kind of courage. 256 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,803 But I, for one, am grateful for those that do, 257 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,642 you know, those who stand up for what they believe. 258 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,570 Have a good day. 259 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,963 N"? 260 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,645 Are you Pastor Dave? 261 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,131 Lam. 262 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,050 - I'm Martin Yip. - Nice to meet you. 263 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,288 My friend Josh Wheaton said you might be able 264 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,880 to answer my questions about God. 265 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,049 Well, that definitely falls within my job description. 266 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,966 How many questions have you got? 267 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,608 So far, 147. 268 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,245 Is something wrong? 269 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,646 No. 270 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,176 Josh encouraged me to write them down 271 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,600 and be as comprehensive as possible. 272 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,210 Of course he did. 273 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,136 Well, I'll have to thank him next time I see him. 274 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,366 Come on. 275 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,720 So, what's your first question? 276 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,526 Grace, I just have to hear it from you. 277 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,404 Did this happen? 278 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,920 If you're asking whether I responded 279 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,804 to a student's question, yes. 280 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,208 If you're asking whether her question and my answer 281 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,846 both referenced Jesus as it was relevant to the history lesson 282 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,761 we were discussing, again, I'd have to say yes. 283 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,286 Good afternoon, Ms. Wesley. 284 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,447 I've asked Bob Fessler to sit in, 285 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,210 he's the school's attorney, 286 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,247 to advise us on any legal issues we might be brushing up against. 287 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:48,805 Should I have a lawyer, too? 288 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,724 No, I don't see the need for that. 289 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,920 Ms. Rizzo is present as your union representation. 290 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,610 (0K8)'- 291 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,650 We are here to hear your side of the story. 292 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,164 Now, I understand a student in your second period history class 293 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,680 asked a question about the parallels 294 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,286 between the teachings of Gandhi 295 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,808 and remarks allegedly made by Jesus. 296 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,968 Yes, that's correct. 297 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,449 And your answer incorporated specific detailed reference 298 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,690 to those teachings that included Scripture itself, 299 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,009 the words of Jesus. 300 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,929 Yes. 301 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,929 What were you thinking, Grace? 302 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,010 Do you believe your response was in line 303 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,168 with district policy? 304 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,089 Yes. 305 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,406 As well as in compliance 306 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,206 with state and federal guidelines? 307 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,084 Yes, sir. 308 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,525 Well, Ms. Wesley, unfortunately for you, 309 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,090 I'm fairly certain the school board will disagree. 310 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,767 No, Coach, you're not hearing me. 311 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,486 No prayers. 312 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,365 No moments of silence. Nothing. 313 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,403 It's tradition on the field. 314 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,807 Not on the field, not in the locker room, 315 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,496 not in the parking lot for that matter, okay? 316 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,407 Whatever you say. 317 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,646 Okay, thanks, Coach. 318 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,165 Come on in. 319 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,566 Hi, Brooke. 320 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,728 You wanted to see me? 321 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,208 Ms. Wesley is currently under disciplinary review. 322 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,816 All of her classes have been reassigned 323 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,569 until things are settled. 324 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,603 I don't want you to have any contact with her. 325 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,724 None whatsoever, either on or off school property. 326 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,649 Do I have any say in this? 327 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,331 No, I've already discussed things with your father 328 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,408 and he agrees. 329 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,490 Since when does my dad care? 330 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Brooke, the important thing for you to remember 331 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,496 is you've done nothing wrong. 332 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:46,601 Neither did Ms. Wesley. 333 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,290 All she did was answer a question. 334 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,016 Ms. Wesley's answer was not in line with school policy. 335 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,530 Really? 336 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,456 I mean, aren't we allowed to say what we believe? 337 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,527 When did that change? 338 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,369 I'm not gonna argue with you, 339 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,456 and I don't want you discussing the situation with anyone. 340 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,891 Do you understand? 341 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,928 Do you understand? 342 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,610 Yes. 343 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,049 Grace? 344 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,486 Are you... 345 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,206 Tom Endler, your union-appointed attorney. 346 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,765 You don't look like a lawyer. 347 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,484 Thank you. 348 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,443 I'm not sure I meant that as a compliment. 349 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,085 I'm determined to take it as one. 350 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,044 Shall we sit? 351 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,601 So, have you defended many teachers 352 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,444 in disciplinary matters? 353 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,164 Nope, you're my first. 354 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,487 Just hired on from the public defender's office. 355 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,130 Criminal law? 356 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,208 No offense, but I'm not a criminal. 357 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,651 Don't be so sure of that. 358 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,728 Your kind of case makes everybody uncomfortable. 359 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,207 School boards, teachers, parents. 360 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,170 It makes them feel... yucky. 361 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,606 Yucky? 362 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,371 Is that a technical legal term? 363 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,482 You got a better word for it? 364 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,001 Grace, I'm gonna level with you. 365 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,685 Nobody wants your case. 366 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,007 I drew it because I'm low man on the totem pole 367 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,009 in a place where seniority means everything. 368 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:19,169 If, for whatever reason, you're not happy with me, 369 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,009 you're on your own. 370 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,408 You're free to hire your own attorney out of your own pocket. 371 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,888 Educational law isn't exactly a common specialty. 372 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,002 So, what's the good news? 373 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,009 I don't like to lose. 374 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,522 And I'm willing to fight for you. 375 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,165 Are you a believer? 376 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,806 You mean a Christian? 377 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,161 No, but I think that's an advantage. 378 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,765 Why? 379 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,016 You're passionate about what you believe. 380 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,690 I mean, let's face it, 381 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,600 it's why you're in trouble in the first place. 382 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,362 But it blinds you to the realities of procedure. 383 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,681 (0K8)'- 384 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,131 Okay, what? 385 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,447 Okay, I agree to let you represent me. 386 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,530 - Good. - Good. 387 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,969 David, are you okay? 388 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,082 Um, terrific. 389 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,249 There was a young man in here, brilliant kid, 390 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,285 with no exposure to Scripture until a few months ago. 391 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,762 He came in with some questions. 392 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,327 147 of 'em to be exact. 393 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,922 I feel like I've been hit by a truck loaded with Bibles. 394 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,362 Big heavy ones with those thick covers. 395 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,121 Always be ready to give answer as to why you believe 396 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,449 and the reason for your hope. 397 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,848 1 Peter chapter 3, verse 15. 398 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,291 Yes. 399 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,244 And where were you 4 hours ago? 400 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,720 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart 401 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,049 "and lean not on your own understanding. 402 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,640 "In all your ways, acknowledge him 403 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,765 and he will make your paths straight." 404 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,048 Father, I need you. 405 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,564 I can't do this alone. 406 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,971 I know that you're in control. 407 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,688 Please, give me the courage. 408 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,249 In Jesus' name, amen. 409 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,891 Call to order. 410 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,129 I assume Ms. Wesley understands that this board has the power 411 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,244 to recommend any number of disciplinary actions, 412 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:01,011 up to and including termination. 413 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,565 She does. 414 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,376 And this board should be aware that in the event 415 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,050 of such termination, 416 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,322 which we would view as both wrongful and without cause, 417 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,965 she reserves all rights of redress. 418 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,367 I may have a solution. 419 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,087 There might be a way around all of this unpleasantness 420 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,407 that would satisfy all parties. 421 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,406 A disciplinary notice in Ms. Wesley's file 422 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,963 stating the school board's objections to her behavior, 423 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,890 a response from Ms. Wesley 424 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,731 confessing the inappropriateness of 425 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,322 and apologizing for her actions, 426 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,171 along with a pledge not to engage 427 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:44,241 in similar discussion of Jesus in the future. 428 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,336 I'm confident that we can move forward on that basis. 429 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,567 No. 430 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,445 Grace... 431 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,891 I can't. 432 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,764 I'd like to request a brief recess 433 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,008 to have a word with my client. 434 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,770 Excuse me. 435 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,843 Grace, this is exactly what we were hoping for. 436 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,896 I mean, this is the part where you say you're sorry, 437 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,524 thank your lawyer, 438 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,884 go back to your classroom, pick up your life, and move on. 439 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,846 - I can't do that. - Why? 440 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,485 I gave an honest answer 441 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,409 to a student's legitimate question in history. 442 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,965 Grace. 443 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,004 Grace, you don't wanna do this. 444 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:32,682 It's the wrong decision. 445 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,968 Is it? 446 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,004 I mean, I would rather stand with God 447 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,282 and be judged by the world 448 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,201 than stand with the world and be judged by God. 449 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,325 I am not gonna be afraid to say the name "Jesus." 450 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,289 I know her. She's not gonna go for it. 451 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,526 How do we make this go away 452 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,802 and not get blood on our hands? 453 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,928 That's the easy part. 454 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,327 We let the ACLU do it. 455 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,125 They'll file suit against Ms. Wesley 456 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,961 and if she is found liable, which she will be, 457 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,889 then we fire her for cause. 458 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,840 But the school district will certainly be named 459 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,604 as a codefendant. 460 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,121 We don't have the financial wherewithal to fight that. 461 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,049 They've already been in touch. 462 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,970 They aren't interested in punishing the school. 463 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,367 They want her. 464 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,766 Are you sure? 465 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,245 Trust me. 466 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,967 They've been dreaming of a case like this. 467 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,371 While Ms. Wesley apologizes for any inconvenience 468 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,165 her actions may have caused, 469 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,362 Ms. Wesley stands by her statements, 470 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,164 and she does not retract or recant them, 471 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:05,049 either in full or in part. 472 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,004 So noted. 473 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,722 Having little choice, this board recommends continued suspension, 474 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,411 henceforth without pay, 475 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,046 pending review by a court of competent jurisdiction 476 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,282 to determine whether or not Ms. Wesley violated 477 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,405 local, state, or federal guidelines. 478 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,761 This proceeding is adjourned. 479 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,011 The last thing we need is 480 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,280 a bunch of religious fanatics 481 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,930 protesting outside of our house. 482 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,202 We'll work to keep it out of the media for now. 483 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,051 But next year, when you're applying to all the colleges, 484 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,844 you'll be able to tell the story 485 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,804 of how Brooke was part of a landmark constitutional case 486 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,730 concerning the separation of church and state. 487 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,481 And believe me, there is not an Ivy League admissions board 488 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,571 that could resist that. 489 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,286 And think of the other children out there, 490 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,765 innocent children who are subjected 491 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,969 to their repressive belief system. 492 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,923 And not forgetting the financial opportunities. 493 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,451 Yes. 494 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,131 Ms. Wesley is an employee of the school board. 495 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,368 We win in court and we establish her misconduct 496 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,528 as said paid employee, 497 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,569 well, there's nothing that changes policy faster 498 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,480 than a big, expensive settlement. 499 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,050 We're going to prove once and for all that God is dead. 500 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,570 Brooke is a minor. 501 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,843 As far as the court is concerned, she has no rights. 502 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,248 That simply means I won't be asking her to be a witness. 503 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,331 I feel supremely confident about this. 504 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,446 (0K8)'- 505 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,403 N"? 506 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,848 Injunctive relief? 507 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,325 They're asking that you be fired, 508 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,568 plus revocation of your teaching certificate. 509 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,011 What? How am I supposed to... 510 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,208 Plus attorney's fees. 511 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,848 Essentially, you'll lose everything. 512 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,525 Why are they doing this? 513 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,847 They want to make an example of you. 514 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,241 To them, your beliefs are like a disease 515 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,169 whose time has come and gone, 516 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,127 sort of like smallpox, or polio, or the plague. 517 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,169 So, what do we do? 518 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,282 We win. 519 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,850 Hey, what's going on? 520 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,600 Brooke is exercising her right to protest. 521 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,761 Idiot. 522 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,211 Hey, shut up, loser. 523 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,336 At least she's standing for something. 524 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,600 Give me that. 525 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,247 Brooke, you need to stop this immediately. 526 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,442 Brooke, this is the last time I'm gonna tell you. 527 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,971 If you don't stop this right now, 528 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,520 there are gonna be some consequences. 529 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,164 Actually, I don't think that there will, 530 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,124 because this is a sidewalk, which is public property. 531 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,163 My dad's a lawyer. 532 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,490 Well, actually, this sidewalk is on school property. 533 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,291 I suggest you girls aren't late for class. 534 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,801 Yes, ma'am. 535 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,082 Hey, what are you doing? 536 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,844 I'm just, you know, reading the paper 537 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,010 while my laptop goes through my online jury orientation. 538 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,523 Well, shouldn't you be paying attention? 539 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,041 Please remember, consumption of alcoholic beverages, 540 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,401 nonprescription drugs, and weapons are prohibited 541 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,045 in the courtroom. 542 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,403 Still, isn't it your civic duty? 543 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,764 Theoretically, yeah, but Matthew 22:14. 544 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,405 Oh, "Many are called, few are chosen." 545 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,210 Exactly. 546 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,971 Three hundred people show up, they sit around for 8 hours, 547 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,162 and at the end of the day, they all go home, 548 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,044 having not been selected. 549 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,605 Statistically, I have a better chance 550 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,122 of being hit by lightning. 551 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,044 Gotta get some coffee. 552 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,531 All right. 553 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,324 It's called "voir dire." 554 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,816 It means that we get a chance to eliminate any potential jurors 555 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,650 that may have a bias against you. 556 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,125 - Sir. - Oh! 557 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,401 Thank you, sir. 558 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,521 So, how are you feeling? 559 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,130 I'm good. 560 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,136 All right, well, this is a bit of an arduous process. 561 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,536 They bring all these jurors in. It's gonna take the whole day, 562 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,767 but I think this is where we can win the case. 563 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,322 All rise for the Honorable Judge Robert Stennis. 564 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,487 On the order of the matter 565 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,284 of Thawley vs. Wesley, 566 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,289 you may be seated. 567 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,402 So, it says here... What does it say? 568 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,443 It says you're a psychic. 569 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,528 Yes. 570 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,369 Oh, do you know who's gonna win this case? 571 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,164 No, don't answer that. 572 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,126 We're going to challenge this juror, Your Honor. 573 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,041 Ms. Bailey, what's your favorite TV show? 574 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,891 "Pretty Little Liars." 575 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,128 Peremptory challenge, Your Honor. 576 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,368 What is your favorite TV show? 577 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,121 "Duck Dynasty." 578 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,011 Peremptory challenge, Your Honor. 579 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,764 "Duck Dynasty." 580 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,645 Ms. Smith, are you involved in any community 581 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,091 or charitable organizations? 582 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,567 Yes, the Salvation Army. 583 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,523 We'll accept this juror, Your Honor. 584 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,611 Juror number nine, you're a teacher. 585 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,404 I'm a retired teacher. 586 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,683 Ever have any disciplinary run-ins with the administration? 587 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,280 Never. 588 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,721 Acceptable to the plaintiff, Your Honor. 589 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,330 Acceptable, Your Honor. 590 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,329 Peremptory challenge, Your Honor. 591 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,845 We'll take her, Your Honor. 592 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,405 Thank you, Mr. Cherry. 593 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,807 Preemptive challenge, Your Honor. 594 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,322 Number two just screams Marine. 595 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,726 I don't want him. 596 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,456 That would mean blowing our last challenge. 597 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,891 Well, we have no choice. 598 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,809 I mean, what part of "God, Country, and Corps" 599 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,002 do you wanna put on that jury? 600 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,243 What was your last paid position? 601 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,649 Artillery Forward Observer, United States Marine Corps. 602 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,366 Peremptory challenge, Your Honor. 603 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,244 Thank you. 604 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,364 Your Honor, we'd like to challenge for cause. 605 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,130 Why is that? 606 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,163 Oh, Your Honor, the man's an ordained minister. 607 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,329 Need I say more? 608 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,925 The juror is excused. 609 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,042 Objection, Your Honor. 610 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,491 Basis, Mr. Endler? 611 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,364 Discriminatory, Your Honor. 612 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,256 Peremptory challenges can not be used to discriminate 613 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,408 against a certain class ofjuror based on race, 614 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,046 ethnic background, religion, or gender. 615 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,725 And the fact that religious belief 616 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,368 is tangential to this case doesn't change that. 617 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,365 Upon further reflection, 618 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,563 I find the respondent's assertion is correct. 619 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,011 Sustained. 620 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,805 You're not her pastor, are you? 621 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,206 No, Your Honor. 622 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,890 Your Honor, I must protest here. 623 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,411 Mr. Kane, 624 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,520 now, you had a set number of peremptory challenges, 625 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,802 all of which you have used. 626 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,002 Therefore, it's up to opposing counsel. 627 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600 We accept him, Your Honor. 628 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:53,449 Welcome to the jury, sir. 629 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,928 Henceforth, juror number twelve. 630 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,203 I hope you enjoy your service to the community. 631 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800 Better chance of being struck by lightning. 632 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,569 It amazes me how we, as human beings, think. 633 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,047 When I was battling for my life, 634 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,087 I was willing to hold onto anything, including God, 635 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,816 even though I really didn't believe in him 636 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,605 until that moment. 637 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:29,566 I was convinced that I felt him, 638 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,242 but now that I'm officially in remission, 639 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,483 I find myself questioning everything. 640 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:45,326 So, effective immediately, this biog is the personal diary 641 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,966 of one woman's exploration of faith 642 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,762 on her own terms, cancer-free. 643 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,164 Hey, Martin. How's it going? 644 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,169 Very good, Pastor Dave. 645 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,691 Oh, please. 646 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,650 You sure? 647 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,651 Well, it seems that for every question you answered, 648 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,127 three or four more questions spring up. 649 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,011 Yeah, but that's a good thing, right? 650 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,369 It's like what Einstein said about science. 651 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,687 Picture what you know like the light of a candle. 652 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,882 As the circle of knowledge expands, 653 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,408 so does the circumference of darkness around it. 654 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,921 So, I'm actually learning, 655 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,724 eventhough I might not feel like it. 656 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,929 Yes, exactly. 657 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,089 Well, I've been studying the Beatitudes. 658 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,646 They're very hard, one might say impossible, 659 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,888 to follow completely. 660 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,241 Here in Luke's account, Jesus says, 661 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,330 "Do unto others as you have them do unto you." 662 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,369 But how is that possible? 663 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,608 How can I react to the needs of everyone else 664 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,361 the same as my own, even for one day, 665 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,164 let alone my whole life? 666 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,680 And how can I reconcile my inability 667 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,803 to do so with Scripture? 668 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,766 Yeah, those are good questions. 669 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,402 Okay, scoot over. 670 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,526 What is that, Luke? 671 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,961 Yes, 6:20. 672 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,128 "And Jesus said to his disciples, 673 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,720 "'You who are poor are blessed 674 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,842 "'because the kingdom of God is yours. 675 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,088 "'You who are now hungry are blessed 676 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,884 "'because you will be filled. 677 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,210 "'You who now weep are blessed because you will laugh. 678 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,728 "'You are blessed when people hate you, when they exclude you, 679 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,810 "'insult you, and slander your name as evil 680 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,843 because of the Son of Man."' 681 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,011 You can't win. 682 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,406 Thanks. 683 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,090 I'll take that under advisement. 684 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,726 Oh, come on, you know I'm right. 685 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,126 I mean, why do it? 686 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:11,924 Why go through this whole exercise, huh? 687 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,610 Here, thanks. 688 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,405 You know, I looked up your history. 689 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,642 You're better than this. 690 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,161 You were third in your class at Stanford Law. 691 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,851 You clerked for a judge on the Ninth Circuit. 692 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,849 Why you slumming like this? 693 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,976 Maybe I believe that people that don't do anything wrong 694 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,970 shouldn't suffer at the hands of the law. 695 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,851 You know what hate is, Tom? 696 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640 I'm not talking about the fairy tale stuff, 697 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,326 I mean real hate. 698 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,604 I hate what people like your client stand for 699 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,530 and what they're doing to our society, 700 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,611 and Stennis does, too, even if he doesn't admit it. 701 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,250 Well, the jury doesn't hate her. 702 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,691 Ah, but that's the secret, Tommy. 703 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,370 They don't need to hate her. 704 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,646 They just need to see a tiny flaw in her, a half truth, 705 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,128 a small inconsistency, just a little bit of doubt, 706 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,811 and they'll find against her. 707 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,491 Nice shoes. 708 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,400 You ready? 709 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,402 Come on. 710 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,249 Congress shall make no law 711 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,488 respecting an establishment 712 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,043 of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. 713 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,924 The first half of this passage 714 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,520 is known as the establishment clause. 715 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,521 The second half is known as the free exercise clause. 716 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,210 Now, there has been an ongoing debate 717 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,721 about what the role of government should be, 718 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,684 because in practice, these two provisions 719 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,962 are often in conflict, 720 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,205 which is what brings us here today. 721 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,051 In the matter of Thawley vs. Wesley, 722 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,561 is the plaintiff prepared to make its opening statement? 723 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,011 We are, Your Honor. 724 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,441 Then proceed. 725 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,928 Ladies and gentlemen, in a jury of this size, 726 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,285 I'm imagining that there are, probably among your ranks, 727 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,607 a few Christians. 728 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,200 Hopefully practicing ones, 729 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,250 and that's a good thing, that's fine, 730 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,767 because Christianity is not on trial here, 731 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,569 even though my opponent will try to convince you that it is. 732 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,968 Nor is faith on trial. 733 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:47,288 Only Ms. Wesley is on trial here today. 734 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,085 Now, ask any 4th grader 735 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,090 and they're probably familiar with the phrase, 736 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,171 "Separation of church and state," 737 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,842 and that is guaranteed to us under our laws. 738 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,281 The plaintiffs are the parents of a student 739 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,968 in Ms. Wesley's class who was subjected to hearing 740 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,290 the teachings of Jesus Christ being favorably compared 741 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,562 to the teachings of Mahatma Gandhi. 742 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,887 We all know that Jesus is part 743 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,131 of a particular religious tradition. 744 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,766 These parents, who are trying to raise their daughter 745 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,570 to be a free thinker, 746 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,445 free of any religious dogma, 747 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,884 are wholly offended by what went on in that classroom. 748 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,480 And she, reciting the words 749 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,087 that were allegedly attributed to Jesus, 750 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,090 who allegedly lived 2,000 years ago, 751 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,081 gave a clear and compelling indication 752 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,242 of what she believes, what she supports, 753 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,567 what she endorses. 754 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,409 Now, let me put it this way. 755 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,570 I don't mean to offend anyone who may be a Muslim here, 756 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,365 and I do not want to slight the prophet of Islam, 757 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,324 but if you were to ask me a question concerning the Quran, 758 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,488 the sacred text of Islam, 759 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,602 and I could come up with the answer 760 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,331 with great speed and accuracy, 761 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,684 and I could quote the proper surah, or chapter, 762 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,966 then it would be reasonable for you to infer 763 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,962 that I was not only a follower of Islam, 764 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,970 but that I considered it to be superior 765 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,731 to all other forms of religion. 766 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,688 If I did this in a house of worship, that would be fine. 767 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,761 But if I did it in an 11th grade classroom in a public school, 768 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,164 that would be preaching, not teaching. 769 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,886 So, why? Why in the world are we here today? 770 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,403 Why? Because Ms. Wesley refused to apologize, 771 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,204 and that means that her true motivation 772 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,164 in that moment in her classroom 773 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,524 was to take an innocent question 774 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:17,001 and turn it into an opportunity to preach, not teach. 775 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,524 If we grant Ms. Wesley the right to do that, 776 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,405 and by extension, everyone else, 777 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:32,005 to violate the law based solely on our own private beliefs, 778 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,886 then our society will crumble. 779 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,525 I believe that. 780 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,680 So, I implore you, please do not set this precedent. 781 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,325 Do not. 782 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,284 The future of our republic depends on it. 783 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,124 What's going on? 784 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,242 Brooke is exercising her right to protest. 785 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,886 Brooke, I need you to stop this immediately. 786 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,725 Brooke, this is the last time I'm gonna tell you. 787 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,083 If you don't stop right now, there are gonna be consequences. 788 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,681 Hey, Aunt Amy. 789 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,251 Hey, Marlene. 790 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,089 Yeah, I just saw the video, what's going on? 791 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,611 So, you remember my friend, Brooke? 792 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,921 Yeah. 793 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,530 Well, she got a teacher in trouble 794 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,761 for asking her about Jesus. 795 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,325 What? 796 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,096 Now she's not even supposed to talk about it 797 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,248 and we can't even cover it in our school paper. 798 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,840 Is there any way that I could meet with her? 799 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,726 - The teacher? - No, Brooke. 800 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,690 Mr. Endler, your opening statement. 801 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,607 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 802 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,041 I have here a copy of the Constitution 803 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,003 of the United States of America 804 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,804 and its Bill of Rights, 805 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,691 arguably the two most important documents 806 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,041 in the history of our great nation. 807 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,051 But despite Mr. Kane's impassioned rhetoric, 808 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,401 you know what you won't find in there 809 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,204 no matter how hard you look? 810 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,486 The phrase "Separation of church and state." 811 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,204 That's right. 812 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,210 It's not in there, never has been, 813 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,696 because that phrase comes from a letter 814 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,121 written by Thomas Jefferson. 815 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,009 Now, ironically, Jefferson was writing 816 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,805 to a Baptist congregation, ensuring them 817 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,524 that they would always have the right 818 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,565 to believe as they wished, free of government interference. 819 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,241 But lately, that phrase has been taken out of context 820 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,442 and twisted and contorted 821 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,449 to mean the exact opposite. 822 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,121 And one morning early this year, my client, Ms. Wesley, 823 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,890 she woke up as usual, 824 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,241 she drove to work at her job as a teacher 825 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,044 at Martin Luther King High School, 826 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,084 a place where she was Teacher of the Year. 827 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,601 Her lesson plan for second period A.P. history 828 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,009 that morning, it didn't include any mention of God or Jesus. 829 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,920 She didn't have a Bible sitting on her desk in plain view. 830 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,576 She didn't start her class with a blessing. 831 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,284 She didn't lead her students in prayer. 832 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,282 No, all she did was answer a question, 833 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,802 because that is what she gets paid to do. 834 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,930 Now, Mr. Kane will insist loudly and often 835 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,042 that faith isn't on trial here, 836 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,401 but that is exactly what is on trial, 837 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,730 the most basic human right of all, the right to believe. 838 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,844 Mr. Kane's afraid. 839 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,808 He's afraid that you, the jury, the touchstone of common sense, 840 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,287 might not agree with his tortured interpretation 841 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,807 of the Constitution, 842 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,322 that you might understand that my client has rights, 843 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,571 rights that trump his agenda, and that in realizing that 844 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,728 you will hold as I do 845 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,446 that my client is guilty of no wrongdoing 846 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,690 and innocent of any and all claims against her. 847 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,007 Thank you very much. 848 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,044 And now it's become this huge deal, 849 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,482 and all she did was answer my question. 850 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,251 Why do you think your parents are doing this? 851 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,727 Because my mom thinks it'll help me get into Stanford 852 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,006 or one of the lvys, and my dad thinks it'll help pay for it. 853 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,690 And nobody's asked you what you think? 854 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,450 No. 855 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,645 So, are you gonna help her? 856 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,525 I don't know. 857 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,405 I would at least like to talk to her. 858 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,046 Maybe I could help get her story out there. 859 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,528 Great, because everyone's telling me to stay out of it. 860 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,049 Do you always do what you're told? 861 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,845 What is your heart telling you to do? 862 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,407 Mr. Thawley, how did you feel when you found out 863 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,608 that your daughter had been exposed 864 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,803 to faith-based teachings in class? 865 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,684 Well, it felt like we had been violated. 866 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,616 I mean, this was supposed to be a history class, 867 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,210 not Sunday school. 868 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,004 My wife and I are free thinkers. 869 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,605 We're rationalists. 870 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,280 We believe in a non-theistic world view, 871 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,601 and that's how we were trying to raise our daughter. 872 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,007 And did you discuss this incident with your daughter? 873 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,770 Well, I tried, 874 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,576 but it's hard discussing anything with kids that age. 875 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,125 She's 16. 876 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,402 Some of you know what that's like. 877 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,126 It's hard enough trying to maintain credibility as a parent 878 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,004 without a teacher jumping in 879 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,963 and arguing against your position. 880 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,056 Now, we trust the school not to overstep its bounds 881 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,367 in terms of what is and what isn't appropriate. 882 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,851 Is that too much to ask? 883 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,450 No. Thank you, Mr. Thawley. 884 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,130 That's all, Your Honor. 885 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,720 Your witness, Mr. Endler. 886 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,763 No questions, Your Honor. 887 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,486 Next witness, Mr. Kane. 888 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,606 Mrs. Rizzo, did Ms. Wesley talk about faith issues 889 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,245 on the school campus? 890 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,646 All the time. 891 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,808 Everybody knows she's a Christian. 892 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,400 I don't think she'd chew a stick of gum without praying first. 893 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,602 It makes everyone feel awkward. 894 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,245 Thank you. 895 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,761 No further questions, Your Honor. 896 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,201 Your witness, Mr. Endler. 897 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,610 Mrs. Rizzo, you stated that Ms. Wesley 898 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,087 talks about her faith all the time. 899 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,364 I'm curious, can you give me a specific instance? 900 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,126 Well, not off the top of my head. 901 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,322 Well, has she, as far as you're aware, 902 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,204 ever started her class with a prayer? 903 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,010 No. 904 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,040 Has she ever asked anyone in the teacher's lounge 905 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,120 to pray with her? 906 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,844 No. 907 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,361 Has she ever asked you personally to pray with her? 908 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,641 Objection, Your Honor. 909 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,285 - No. - Cumulative. 910 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,767 The question has effectively been asked and answered. 911 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,287 Your Honor, Mrs. Rizzo's sworn testimony states 912 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,290 that Ms. Wesley talked about her faith all the time, 913 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,323 yet she's failed to cite a single instance. 914 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,603 I'm merely trying to discover some basis for her opinion. 915 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,410 Sustained. 916 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,376 Mr. Endler, we're done with this line of questioning. 917 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,006 Mrs. Rizzo, in the school's initial inquiry 918 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,646 into this matter, you were Ms. Wesley's representative 919 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,976 on behalf of the teacher's union, 920 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,887 were you not? 921 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,490 Yes. 922 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,976 And did you ever consider that your disapproval 923 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,924 of her faith might taint your ability 924 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,326 to represent her properly? 925 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,521 Objection, speculative. 926 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,721 Sustained. 927 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,725 God bless you. 928 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,320 Careful, or you might end up on trial. 929 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,284 Mr. Endler! 930 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,482 No further questions, Your Honor. 931 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,446 So, when are these religious zealots 932 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,370 going to realize it's not only disrespectful of them 933 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,289 to push their beliefs on others, 934 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,926 in this case, it's actually illegal? 935 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,840 This woman, this fundamentalist, used her position of influence 936 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,045 as a teacher to fill the minds of our children with nonsense. 937 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,969 If you ask me, the religious extremists 938 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,527 we need to worry about are the hard-core Christians. 939 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,610 How about we show up in force and show Ms. Wesley just exactly 940 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,007 what we think of her proselytizing? 941 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,685 Principal Kinney, what was 942 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,122 the school district's final determination? 943 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,846 Well, Grace has been suspended without pay 944 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,401 pending the result of this trial. 945 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,171 Isn't it rather unusual, leaving it up to a third party 946 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,330 to determine whether Ms. Wesley is fired? 947 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,090 We've decided to accept 948 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,362 the court's interpretation of wrongdoing either way. 949 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,811 No questions, Your Honor. 950 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,331 Your witness, Mr. Endler. 951 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,930 Ms. Kinney, 952 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,361 can you tell me the full name of the high school 953 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,010 over which you preside? 954 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,602 Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Memorial High School. 955 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,563 I noticed that the name fails to mention 956 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,126 Dr. King's title as Reverend Doctor. 957 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,647 It's his work in the field of civil rights 958 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,364 that we prefer to highlight. 959 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,209 But that's the whole point. 960 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,084 You consider his faith and politics 961 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,282 to be separate things, 962 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,051 but I don't, and he certainly wouldn't have. 963 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,571 Objection, Your Honor. 964 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,170 Counsel is testifying. 965 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,089 Sustained. 966 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,205 Jury's instructed to ignore Mr. Endler's preceding remarks. 967 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,402 Ms. Kinney, are you familiar with Dr. King's letter 968 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,010 from the Birmingham Jail? 969 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,120 Yes, it's a seminal piece 970 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,168 of civil rights history. 971 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,806 In that letter Dr. King makes numerous 972 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,809 faith-based references, does he not? 973 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,968 Offhand, I don't recall. 974 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,129 Allow me to refresh your memory. 975 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,123 He cites the example of the three youths 976 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,363 from the book of Daniel who were tossed into the fiery furnace 977 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,450 by King Nebuchadnezzar because they refused to worship him. 978 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,131 Elsewhere, he urges action with Jesus, 979 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,971 and here I quote, "Extremist love." 980 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,040 And in his speech, "I've Been to the Mountaintop," 981 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,408 he stated that he just wanted to do God's will. 982 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,124 Is this coming back to you now? 983 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:42,571 Yes. 984 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,290 In your opinion, would Ms. Wesley, 985 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,880 had she chosen to do so, have been allowed to present 986 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,696 the examples that I just mentioned in her class? 987 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,290 Objection, speculative. 988 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,765 I'm going to allow it. 989 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,166 Overruled. 990 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,282 Witness may answer. 991 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,610 No. 992 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,849 If it were up to me, she would not have been allowed. 993 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,450 Why not? 994 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,800 Because those examples 995 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,176 are too closely associated with faith. 996 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,929 In other words, they're facts, 997 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,806 but they're just facts that are too dangerous for discussion? 998 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,446 The word I would use would be "controversial." 999 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,450 But aren't facts just facts? 1000 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,130 I mean, there's nothing controversial 1001 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,643 about 2 plus 2 equaling 4, or E equals MC squared, 1002 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,768 or the date man landed on the moon. 1003 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,167 So, why the controversy about these facts? 1004 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,123 I think the fact that we're all here today 1005 00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,242 speaks for itself. 1006 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,128 Thank you for your honesty. 1007 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,488 One last question. 1008 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,886 In your orientation 1009 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,490 at the beginning of the semester, 1010 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,525 your memo to the staff stressed diversity and tolerance, 1011 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,244 did it not? 1012 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,089 Yes. 1013 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,283 Well, would it be fair to say that except for Christianity, 1014 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,368 all other forms of diversity are welcome? 1015 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,720 Objection! 1016 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,881 Your Honor! 1017 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,650 I will withdraw the question. 1018 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,649 Mr. Endler, you seem to have a penchant 1019 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,451 for injecting commentary where it doesn't belong. 1020 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,767 You would do well to avoid further provocation 1021 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,484 of this court. 1022 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,608 I apologize, Your Honor. 1023 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,610 I'll look to curtail it in the future. 1024 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,490 Redirect, Your Honor? 1025 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,688 Ms. Kinney, I understand that you attended a service 1026 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,485 at Ms. Wesley's church a short while ago. 1027 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,931 Is that correct? 1028 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,690 Yes, that's correct. 1029 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,690 It was an event honoring several students who attend that church 1030 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,086 for their community service. 1031 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,690 Mm-hmm. 1032 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,690 And who was it that invited you to that service? 1033 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,086 Grace Wesley. 1034 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,690 I see. 1035 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,684 And where were you when this invitation was extended? 1036 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,126 At my office. 1037 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:48,571 On school grounds? 1038 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,643 Yes. 1039 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,047 During work hours? 1040 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,891 Yes. 1041 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,128 Thank you. 1042 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,441 Oh, one last question. 1043 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,882 Is it true that Ms. Wesley accepts donations 1044 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,245 for a faith-based charity, Convoy of Hope, 1045 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,364 right there in the classroom? 1046 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,562 Yes, she does. 1047 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,170 Thank you again. 1048 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,601 No further questions, Your Honor. 1049 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,365 You may step down, Mrs. Kinney. 1050 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,244 Court's adjourned. 1051 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,043 Grace, can I ask you a question, 1052 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,367 off the record? 1053 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,931 Sure. 1054 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,008 These people, they're looking to destroy you, 1055 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,011 and I don't just mean financially. 1056 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,088 Do you think it's worth it? 1057 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,721 I hope so. 1058 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,771 So do I. 1059 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,690 Fishy and cheesy at the same time. 1060 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,882 David, this tuna melt is exquisite. 1061 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,604 Oh, yeah, exquisite. 1062 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,210 It's the provolone. 1063 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,810 That was my idea. 1064 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,764 I love what it does to the flavor of the fish. 1065 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,325 Don't I know you? 1066 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,965 You're from Blaze's Car Rental, right? 1067 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,684 Oh, yeah. 1068 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,168 Yeah, that gig didn't really work out for me. 1069 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,601 I don't think customer service is my forte. 1070 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,688 So, you decided to become a waiter? 1071 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,643 Well, this is where I do my dinner theatre. 1072 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,489 In the mornings I serve up croissants. 1073 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,364 In the evenings I serve up Chekhov. 1074 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,005 Oh. 1075 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,364 Hey, listen, sorry about the whole car not working thing. 1076 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,845 It's okay. 1077 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,530 I learned my lesson. 1078 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,966 He bought a Prius. 1079 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,525 Starts every time. 1080 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,045 Oh! 1081 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,846 - Same 9W- - Same 9W- 1082 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,043 Amazing. 1083 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,484 Gentlemen, I don't wanna spoil your brunch, 1084 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,570 but I'm hearing from a friend of mine 1085 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,842 in the prosecutor's office about a subpoena 1086 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,363 that just came down demanding that we submit 1087 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:26,965 copies of our sermons for the last 3 months for review. 1088 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,803 Can they do that? 1089 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,888 They tried it in Houston. 1090 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,400 So, now the government can determine 1091 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,721 what we can and can't preach at our churches? 1092 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,251 Let's not overreact. 1093 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,089 I'm sure there's no ill intent here. 1094 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,125 Unfortunately, I think this is just the beginning. 1095 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,280 We've been ignoring it, and now we're paying the price for it. 1096 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,681 Well, don't forget the silent majority. 1097 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,131 They're out there. 1098 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,203 They just need something to stand for. 1099 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,005 Well I'll admit there's pressure, but I think with time 1100 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,764 this will correct itself. 1101 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,680 Forgive me, but I think you're wrong. 1102 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,564 I'm serving on a jury in a case right now 1103 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,284 that touches on these issues. 1104 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,216 And of course, I'm not allowed to talk about it, 1105 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,323 but I mean, the one thing that it's convinced me of 1106 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,841 is that if we stand by and do nothing, 1107 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,405 pressure that we're feeling today 1108 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,443 is gonna mean persecution tomorrow. 1109 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,528 What makes you so sure? 1110 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,641 Speed of change, viciousness of the opposition. 1111 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,800 The message of the gospel has us standing in the way 1112 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,047 of a lot of things that powerful people want, 1113 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,970 and our resistance to change that message 1114 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,527 because it's not ours to change has made us a lot of enemies. 1115 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,371 Whether we admit it or not, we're at war, 1116 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,324 the war of Ephesians 6, not against flesh and blood, 1117 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,568 but against the powers of this world, 1118 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,002 against the spiritual forces in the heavenly realms. 1119 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,206 And if we insist on denying that, 1120 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,085 then we've already lost. 1121 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,809 I brought a giant bag of Chinese food 1122 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,729 and a briefcase full of files. 1123 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,968 I say we eat first. 1124 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,605 I say you're a genius. 1125 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,610 Does Walter want to join us? 1126 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,041 Oh, no. He's hiding in his room. 1127 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,725 How come? 1128 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,491 He's treating this like it's a date, 1129 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,284 which should give you some indication 1130 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,050 of what my social life is like. 1131 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,685 Don't worry, I won't tell. 1132 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,644 Falls under attorney-client privilege. 1133 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,536 So, is this what you always saw yourself doing, 1134 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,130 the lawyer thing? 1135 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,163 No, um... 1136 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,363 I wanted to be Batman. 1137 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,050 How 'bout you? 1138 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,160 Your parents have you all set to go to the convent? 1139 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,322 Actually, there were no bedtime prayers 1140 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,766 in my childhood. 1141 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,089 I was raised in a house without much faith. 1142 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,680 When did you decide to become a Christian? 1143 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,041 I was walking home from class. 1144 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:05,441 It was dark, and I was struggling with a lot of things. 1145 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,891 And I turned the corner, 1146 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,520 and right there in front of me was this church. 1147 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,450 It had this old sign out front, 1148 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,609 but it just stopped me in my tracks. 1149 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,931 And the sign... the sign said, 1150 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,090 "Who do you say that I am?" 1151 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:30,843 And as I read it, I could hear the Lord speak to me. 1152 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,844 You know, 1153 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,567 I couldn't get that question out of my head for days, 1154 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,967 so that was the start of a journey that didn't end 1155 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,651 until I found the answer. 1156 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,081 N"? 1157 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,606 N"? 1158 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,564 N"? 1159 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,366 N"? 1160 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,810 N"? 1161 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,724 N"? 1162 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,002 N"? 1163 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:48,840 ♪ Nearer, my God, to thee ♪ 1164 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:57,562 ♪ Nearer to thee ♪ 1165 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,281 That was beautiful. 1166 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,081 Forgive me, but I did not know anyone was here. 1167 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,336 Oh, no. Please don't apologize. 1168 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,684 I didn't mean to interrupt. 1169 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,088 I just didn't know where else to go. 1170 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,567 I'm Martin. 1171 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,011 I'm Brooke. 1172 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,088 Do you think I could ask you a few questions? 1173 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,047 That would be fine. 1174 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,049 Good, 'cause I have a lot. 1175 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,369 He doesn't make mistakes. 1176 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,811 But I thought you proved bias. 1177 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,480 I mean, Principal Kinney and Mrs. Rizzo? 1178 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,050 Those were just jabs. 1179 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,289 We need a knockout punch. 1180 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,890 Why did you feel compelled 1181 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,765 to bring Jesus up in history class? 1182 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,849 Why shouldn't I have? 1183 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,201 Grace, I'm not here to debate with you 1184 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,800 what you think your rights were as... 1185 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,724 No, Tom, listen. 1186 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,081 This isn't about faith. 1187 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,242 This is about history. 1188 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,691 Okay, maybe I'm wrong here. 1189 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,165 I'm not the law expert, 1190 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,285 but I think they've missed the point. 1191 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,164 I'm not sure I follow. 1192 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,250 Their whole attack, it's about me preaching in class, 1193 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,885 but I didn't do that. 1194 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,490 They're saying you did. 1195 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,204 You cited Scripture. 1196 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,288 You talked about Jesus' teachings just like 1197 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,882 they were any other verifiable fact. 1198 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,650 But what if they're just that? 1199 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,366 I mean, just because certain facts happen to be recorded 1200 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,285 in the Bible doesn't mean they stop being facts. 1201 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,249 We can separate the history-based elements 1202 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,609 of Jesus' life from the faith-based element. 1203 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,200 I mean, in my classroom, I didn't talk about Jesus 1204 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,482 as my Lord and Savior. 1205 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,602 You know, all I did was comment on quotations 1206 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,441 attributed to Jesus, the man, and I did it in A.P. History. 1207 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,210 There was nothing wrong with the context. 1208 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,004 And any rule saying that you can talk 1209 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,122 about any historic figure that ever existed 1210 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,084 exceptJesus is discriminatory. 1211 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,804 They can't institute that. 1212 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,321 And every credible historian admits that Jesus existed. 1213 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,960 I mean, there's just too much evidence. 1214 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,769 Grace, I love it. 1215 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,564 This is our defense. 1216 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,968 Jesus as a historic figure, just like everyone else. 1217 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,650 And you know what? 1218 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,047 Kane will never see it coming. 1219 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,841 You got some reading to do. 1220 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,362 He just had so many notes written in the margins 1221 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,165 that for the first time I felt like I was 1222 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,726 truly getting to know my brother. 1223 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,362 Like God gave me the extra 5 minutes 1224 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,448 that I so desperately needed with him. 1225 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,481 I just don't understand why he never told me about his faith. 1226 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,211 Sharing one's faith with family, 1227 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,688 especially not knowing how they will react, 1228 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,326 can be difficult. 1229 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,762 Count our struggles as blessings, right? 1230 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,891 That is exactly right. 1231 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,769 There are more than 5 minutes awaiting you and your brother. 1232 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,209 John chapter 11, verse 25 to 26 says, 1233 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,766 "I am the resurrection and the life. 1234 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,442 "He who believes in me will live even if he dies. 1235 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,086 "And whoever lives and believes in me 1236 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,407 will never die." 1237 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,962 Do you believe this? 1238 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,844 I do. 1239 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,247 Then invite him into your heart 1240 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,085 and make him the Lord of your life. 1241 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,607 Dear Lord, I'm not quite sure what to say, 1242 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:21,080 but thank you for dying on the cross for me. 1243 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,682 Please forgive me of my sin. 1244 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,691 Jesus, please come into my life, 1245 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,009 and I will follow you as my Lord and Savior. 1246 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,849 Amen. 1247 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,124 N"? 1248 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,928 Thank you. 1249 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,166 Can you state your name and occupation for the court? 1250 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,805 My name is Lee Strobel. 1251 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,320 I'm a professor of Christian thought 1252 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,010 at Houston Baptist University 1253 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,691 and the author of more than 2O books about Christianity, 1254 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,882 including "The Case for Christ." 1255 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,288 Can you help me prove the existence of Jesus Christ? 1256 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,210 Absolutely, beyond any reasonable doubt. 1257 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,845 How so? 1258 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,530 Actually, this court already affirmed it 1259 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120 when we were called into session and the date was given. 1260 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,046 Our calendar has been split between B.C. and A.D. 1261 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,804 based on the birth of Jesus, 1262 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,207 which is quite a feat if he never existed. 1263 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,369 Beyond that, historian Gary Habermas 1264 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:38,041 lists 39 ancient sources for Jesus, 1265 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,642 from which he enumerates more than 100 reported facts 1266 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,448 about his life, teachings, crucifixion, and resurrection. 1267 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,769 In fact, the historical evidence for Jesus' execution 1268 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,690 is so strong that one of the most famous 1269 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,007 New Testament scholars in the world, 1270 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,602 Gerd Ludemann of Germany, said, "Jesus' death 1271 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,361 as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable." 1272 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,006 Now, there are very few facts in ancient history 1273 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,566 that a critical historian like Gerd Ludemann 1274 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,206 will say is indisputable. 1275 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,449 One of them is the execution of Jesus Christ. 1276 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,050 Forgive me, but you're a believer, 1277 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,491 are you not? 1278 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,761 A Bible-believing Christian? 1279 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,370 Guilty as charged. 1280 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:22,131 So, wouldn't this tend to inflate your estimate 1281 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,971 of the probability that Jesus existed. 1282 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,367 No, because we don't need to inflate it. 1283 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:30,768 We can reconstruct the basic facts about Jesus 1284 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,930 just from non-Christian sources outside the Bible. 1285 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,805 And Gerd Ludemann is an atheist. 1286 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,288 In other words, we can prove the existence of Jesus 1287 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,966 solely by using sources that have absolutely 1288 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,447 no sympathy toward Christianity. 1289 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,564 As the agnostic historian, Bart Ehrman, says, 1290 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,890 "Jesus did exist, whether we like it or not." 1291 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,128 I put it this way: 1292 01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,801 Denying the existence of Jesus doesn't make him go away. 1293 01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,170 It merely proves that no amount of evidence will convince you. 1294 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,850 Thank you. 1295 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,850 No further questions, Your Honor. 1296 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,089 Mr. Kane, your witness. 1297 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,328 No questions, Your Honor. 1298 01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:15,771 That's lunch. 1299 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,247 We'll recess until 2 p.m. 1300 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,769 Can I help you with something? 1301 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,644 Oh, hi. 1302 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,570 I was looking for Pastor Dave. 1303 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,651 My friend, Mina, she said I should come see him. 1304 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,604 She said he's real easy to talk to. 1305 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,609 He won't be back until after next week. 1306 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,802 Oh, okay. Thanks. 1307 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,248 Sweeping is something I only do part-time. 1308 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,170 I enjoy it because it helps me think. 1309 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,002 But if you need to talk, I'm actually a pastor. 1310 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:02,529 It's been 3 weeks since my doctors told me 1311 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,051 I was in remission. 1312 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,685 Oh, Amy, that's wonderful. 1313 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:06,800 It is. 1314 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,524 Yes. 1315 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:13,487 But even though I've been given this gift, 1316 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,650 I've been questioning my faith. 1317 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,687 I know Jesus existed, but I'm struggling to believe. 1318 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,406 Actually, I think you already do believe, 1319 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,761 and the proof is you're not willing to put God 1320 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,049 back on the shelf now that your cancer is gone. 1321 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,687 He won't let you dismiss the thought of him. 1322 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,928 Part of you senses Jesus' presence 1323 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,170 and wishes that he would just go away and leave you alone. 1324 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,806 Actually, now that you mention it, 1325 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,048 I had thought of that. 1326 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:51,326 Look, he delights in using us in ways we never dreamed of 1327 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,365 and giving us things that we never even knew we wanted. 1328 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,563 We just have to give him a chance. 1329 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,648 Will you? 1330 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,728 Thank you. 1331 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,328 Hi, I'm Reverend David Hill. 1332 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,442 Sermon transcripts, right? 1333 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,050 - Yes. - Just put it right there. 1334 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,367 They've been coming in all morning. 1335 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,210 I'm sure they did what they thought was best. 1336 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,049 That's it? 1337 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,562 Those are your entire sermons for the past 120 days? 1338 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,364 No, that's a letter that I wrote 1339 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,643 explaining why I'm not going to hand them in. 1340 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,842 Excuse me? 1341 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,729 I know it's unusual for a Christian pastor 1342 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,490 to willfully resist a subpoena 1343 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,285 issued by a lawful government authority, 1344 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,731 and it's even more unusual 1345 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,929 that he should feel compelled to do so. 1346 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,886 Are you sure you wanna do that? 1347 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,685 It's something that I have to do. 1348 01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,416 You know the old saying, "The squeaky wheel 1349 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,522 gets the grease," don't you? 1350 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,608 I have another saying: 1351 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:12,203 "A nail that sticks up gets hammered down." 1352 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,127 Susan, what I'm seeing is a teacher who answered 1353 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,288 a student's question to the best of her ability. 1354 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,976 Amy, it sounds like you're taking the side 1355 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,286 of Grace Wesley here. 1356 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,562 Surely, you see that she used the student's question 1357 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,409 to promote her Christian agenda. 1358 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,522 Actually, Susan, that's not how I see it. 1359 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,120 I believe Ms. Wesley's entitled to her own opinions, 1360 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,009 and that includes in the classroom. 1361 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,646 She didn't try to convert these students, in fact... 1362 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,001 Amy, I must say, I'm shocked at what seems to be 1363 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,642 a complete 180 from the typical stance of your plot. 1364 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,842 Just look at the facts of this case for a minute. 1365 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,243 She clearly infringed on the rights of her students. 1366 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,169 Marlene? 1367 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,805 I have an idea. 1368 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,285 Come over as soon as you can, okay? 1369 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:22,731 You look terrible. 1370 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,256 You really ought to ask to be excused. 1371 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:25,520 No, no, I'm fine. 1372 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,967 I really need to be here. 1373 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,048 All rise. 1374 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,162 You may be seated. 1375 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,256 Juror number 12, is there something you'd like to say? 1376 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,045 I'm sorry, Your Honor, I gotta... 1377 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,886 Bailiff, call paramedics. 1378 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,684 Sir. 1379 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,440 Well, I guess that proves there is no God, 1380 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:48,896 'cause they just lost the only juror 1381 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,206 they could count on. 1382 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,765 Any dizziness? 1383 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,649 - Yeah. - Vomiting? 1384 01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,091 About a half hour ago. 1385 01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,400 Does this hurt? How 'bout this? 1386 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,176 I hope you're not too attached 1387 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,200 to your appendix. 1388 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,602 Brooke! Marlene. 1389 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,649 It's not looking good in there. 1390 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,487 Ms. Marshall, are you prepared to fulfill 1391 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,204 your duties as an alternate? 1392 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,322 Yes, I am, Your Honor. 1393 01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,363 Mr. Endler, next witness. 1394 01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:13,165 Would you state your name and experience for the record? 1395 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,884 My name is James Warner Wallace. 1396 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,725 I'm a retired homicide detective from Los Angeles County. 1397 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,281 And are you the author of the book, "Cold Case Christianity"? 1398 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,004 Yes, I am. 1399 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,805 Can you share the subtitle of the book with the court, please? 1400 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,251 "A Homicide Detective 1401 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,920 Investigates the Claims of the Gospels." 1402 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,286 Would I be correct in saying 1403 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,641 that your duties as a homicide detective 1404 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,888 include investigating cold case homicides? 1405 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,446 Yes, that is and was my expertise. 1406 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,609 Don't most of those cases get solved with DNA evidence? 1407 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,245 Objection, leading. 1408 01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,448 And counsel is testifying again, Your Honor. 1409 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:44,846 I'll rephrase. 1410 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,611 How many of your cold cases were solved 1411 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,529 through the use of DNA evidence? 1412 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,244 None. Not one. 1413 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,771 That's often popular on TV, 1414 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,496 but our departments never had the good fortune 1415 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,602 of solving a cold case with DNA. 1416 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,927 Well, how do most of these cases get solved? 1417 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,042 Often by examining eyewitness claims, 1418 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,288 witness claims that were made many years earlier, 1419 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,290 even though often our witnesses are now deceased. 1420 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:07,811 Forgive my ignorance, Mr. Wallace, 1421 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,888 but how is that possible? 1422 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,843 Well, we have a number of techniques we can use 1423 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,564 to test the reliability of an eyewitness, 1424 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,968 including something called forensic statement analysis. 1425 01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,576 That's a discipline where we scrutinize the statements 1426 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:19,965 of eyewitnesses 1427 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:21,736 and looking at what they choose to minimize, 1428 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,081 what they choose to emphasize, what they omit altogether, 1429 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,680 how they expand time or contract time. 1430 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,326 And when we examine these kinds of eyewitness accounts, 1431 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,966 we can usually tell who's lying, and who's telling the truth, 1432 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,327 and even who the guilty party is. 1433 01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,329 And did you apply this skill set anytime 1434 01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:38,329 outside of your official capacity? 1435 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:41,523 Yes, I applied my expertise to the death of Jesus 1436 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,005 at the hands of the Romans, 1437 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,168 and I actually looked at the gospels 1438 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,443 as I would any other set of forensic statements. 1439 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,891 Within a matter of months, 1440 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,525 I determined that the four gospels, 1441 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,205 written from different perspectives, 1442 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,403 contained the eyewitness accounts about the life, 1443 01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,166 ministry, death, and resurrection of Jesus. 1444 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,009 And did you consider that the four accounts 1445 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,566 might be part of a conspiracy, 1446 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,160 designed to promote belief in a fledgling faith? 1447 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:07,696 Yeah, you have to consider conspiracies 1448 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,529 when assessing eyewitness accounts, 1449 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,051 but successful conspiracies 1450 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,931 typically involve the fewest number of people. 1451 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,202 It's a lot easier for 2 people to lie and keep a secret 1452 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,004 than it is for 20. 1453 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:19,976 And that's really the problem with the conspiracy theories 1454 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,764 related to the apostles in the 1st century. 1455 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,410 There are just far too many of them 1456 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:24,885 trying to hold this conspiracy 1457 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,320 for far too long a period of time. 1458 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:27,925 And far worse, 1459 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,407 they're experiencing pressure like no other, 1460 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:31,885 unimaginable pressure. 1461 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,731 Every one of these folks was tortured and died 1462 01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,171 for what they claimed to see, 1463 01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,090 and none of them ever recanted their story. 1464 01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,727 So, the idea that this is a conspiracy in the 1st century 1465 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,410 is just really unreasonable. 1466 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,090 Instead, what I see in the gospels 1467 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,488 is something I call unintended eyewitness support statement. 1468 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,001 What's an unintended eyewitness support statement? 1469 01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,009 If I can borrow your Bible? 1470 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,885 Let me go to the Gospel of Matthew 1471 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,166 for an example of this. 1472 01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,805 I'll start with a passage 1473 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,531 in which Jesus is in front of Caiaphas at a hearing. 1474 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,563 It says here, "Then they spit in his face 1475 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,489 "and struck him with their fists. 1476 01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,045 "Others slapped him and said, 1477 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,447 'Prophesy to us, Christ. Who hit you?"' 1478 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,244 Now, that seems like a very simple request, 1479 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,691 given that the people who hit him 1480 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:18,936 are standing right in front of him. 1481 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,530 This makes no sense. 1482 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,291 Why would it be prophecy to be able to tell you who hit you? 1483 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,091 But it's not until you read Luke that you get an answer to this. 1484 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,931 He says, "The men who were guarding Jesus 1485 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,088 "began mocking and beating him. 1486 01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,083 "They blindfolded him and demanded, 1487 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,526 'Prophesy, who hit you?"' 1488 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,608 S0, now we know why this was a challenge, 1489 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,696 'cause Luke tells us the thing that Matthew left out, 1490 01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,056 that he was actually blindfolded at the time this took place. 1491 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,491 This is very common, 1492 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,568 this kind of unintentional eyewitness support 1493 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,968 that fills in a detail that the first witness left out. 1494 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,686 After years of scrutinizing these gospels using the template 1495 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,571 that I use to determine if an eyewitness is reliable, 1496 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,326 I concluded that the four gospels in this book 1497 01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:00,729 contained the reliable accounts of the actual words of Jesus. 1498 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,569 And that's to include the statements 1499 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,728 quoted by Ms. Wesley in her class? 1500 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:11,129 Absolutely. 1501 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,886 Thank you, Detective. 1502 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,402 Your witness. 1503 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,648 Detective Wallace, 1504 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:24,641 I'm not gonna try to match biblical knowledge with you. 1505 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,287 But isn't it true that these gospel accounts vary widely 1506 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:29,925 in what they say, 1507 01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:31,296 that there are numerous discrepancies 1508 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,163 between these accounts? 1509 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,285 Absolutely, but that's exactly what we should expect. 1510 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,607 I don't quite understand that. 1511 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,136 Well, reliable eyewitness accounts always differ slightly 1512 01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:42,296 in the way they recall the story. 1513 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,924 They're coming to it 1514 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,456 from different geographic perspectives, their history, 1515 01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:47,084 even where they are located in the room. 1516 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,441 When I examined the gospels, I was trying to determine 1517 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,642 if these were accurate, reliable accounts, 1518 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,364 in spite of any differences 1519 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,528 there might be between the accounts. 1520 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,644 Ah, and as a devout Christian, 1521 01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,285 you feel you succeeded? 1522 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:01,925 Ah, Mr. Kane. 1523 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,525 I think you misunderstand me. 1524 01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,405 When I began this study, I was a devout atheist. 1525 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,683 I began examining the gospels as a committed skeptic, 1526 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,928 not as a believer. 1527 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,520 You see, I wasn't raised in a Christian environment, 1528 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,768 although I do think I have an unusually high regard 1529 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,370 for the value of evidence. 1530 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,400 I'm not a Christian because I was raised that way 1531 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,721 or because I hoped it would satisfy some need 1532 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,683 or accomplish some goal. 1533 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,247 I'm simply a Christian because it's evidentially true. 1534 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,130 Motion to strike, Your Honor. 1535 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,049 Granted. 1536 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,245 Jury's instructed to ignore Detective Wallace's last remark. 1537 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,249 No further questions. 1538 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,124 Witness is excused. 1539 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:44,969 Thank you, Your Honor. 1540 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,889 Mr. Endler, your next witness. 1541 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,129 We don't have one, Your Honor. 1542 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,616 She didn't do anything wrong; she was just trying to help me! 1543 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,449 Brooke! 1544 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,130 Order! I'll have order! 1545 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,447 Young lady, your youth is no excuse 1546 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,206 for disturbing the sanctity of this court. 1547 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,288 But this case is supposed to be about me. 1548 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:10,930 I'm almost 17 years old; 1549 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,496 it's not like I can't think for myself. 1550 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,249 I just don't have the right to speak. 1551 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,496 - Brooke, what are you doing? - Not unless you are called 1552 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,045 as a witness, young lady. 1553 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,811 If I put her on the stand, what am I gonna hear? 1554 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,048 That she asked a question and I answered it. 1555 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,683 Your Honor, we'd like to call Ms. Brooke Thawley to the stand. 1556 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,211 Objection, Your Honor! 1557 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,924 Ms. Thawley is a minor. 1558 01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,963 Her parents do not want her subjected 1559 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,525 to the emotional pressure 1560 01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,120 of testifying against her own teacher. 1561 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,450 Ms. Thawley, are you willing to testify on your own behalf? 1562 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,800 Yes, Your Honor. 1563 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,921 And do you understand 1564 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,201 that you will have to answer 1565 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:47,456 all the questions truthfully, 1566 01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:49,323 regardless of your feelings, 1567 01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:53,724 and that failure to do so is punishable by law? 1568 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,001 Yes, Your Honor. 1569 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,565 I'm not afraid of telling the truth. 1570 01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,048 I'm only afraid of not being able to tell it. 1571 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:07,004 N"? 1572 01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,925 I will allow this witness. 1573 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,884 Objection overruled. 1574 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,170 Brooke, in class, 1575 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,930 who first brought up the name "Jesus," 1576 01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,326 you or Ms. Wesley? 1577 01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:29,771 I did. 1578 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,291 As part of a question? 1579 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,765 Yes. 1580 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,609 And at that time, 1581 01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,530 did you feel like you were asking a faith-based question? 1582 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,085 No, not really. 1583 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,362 It just seemed like Martin Luther King and Jesus 1584 01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:44,723 were saying similar things, so I brought it up. 1585 01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,808 And did you consider Ms. Wesley's response 1586 01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,969 to be a reasonable answer to your question? 1587 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,690 Yes. 1588 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,201 So, if I'm hearing you correctly, 1589 01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:00,248 you asked a question in history class about a historical figure, 1590 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,647 and your history teacher answered it 1591 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:03,847 in a sensible manner? 1592 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,928 Yes. 1593 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,891 Thank you. 1594 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,207 Your witness. 1595 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,206 Ms. Thawley, do you like Ms. Wesley? 1596 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:27,890 Yes. 1597 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,207 Would you say she's your favorite teacher? 1598 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,049 Yes, absolutely. 1599 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,889 Do you think Ms. Wesley likes you? 1600 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,247 Objection, speculative. 1601 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,364 Your Honor, speaks to the state of mind of the witness, 1602 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:41,164 if not Ms. Wesley herself. 1603 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,169 I'm gonna allow it. Overruled. 1604 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,886 You may answer the question. 1605 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,843 Yes, I think she likes me. 1606 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,325 Uh-huh. 1607 01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:50,840 Do you think there's any possibility 1608 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,531 that in answering your question, 1609 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,441 she may have tried to share some of the ideas of her faith, 1610 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,881 a faith that she holds most dear? 1611 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,321 No, uh, no, not at that moment. 1612 01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,488 Not at that moment. 1613 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,360 You mean to say that there were other moments 1614 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,489 in which she talked to you about her faith? 1615 01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,488 Hmm? Ms. Thawley, please? 1616 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,649 You must answer the question, Ms. Thawley. 1617 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,767 Yes, but it was outside of school 1618 01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,245 and it was only one time. 1619 01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,442 Move to strike. Your Honor, this is irrelevant. 1620 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,961 No actions off the school campus are at issue here. 1621 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,491 Denied. 1622 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,369 Mr. Kane seems to have found a loose thread. 1623 01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,528 I'm inclined to let him pull it. 1624 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,563 See what unravels. 1625 01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:39,920 Thank you, Your Honor. 1626 01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,644 Why didn't you tell me about this? 1627 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,207 You didn't ask, and I didn't think it mattered. 1628 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,569 Brooke, you realize that you have to tell the truth here. 1629 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:49,841 You understand that, correct? 1630 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,405 Yes. 1631 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,249 So, what did you mean when you said 1632 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,685 that you had talks about faith outside of school? 1633 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:06,969 My brother died in an accident 6 months ago. 1634 01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,401 Ms. Wesley noticed that I wasn't doing so well, 1635 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,444 so she asked me if everything was all right after class. 1636 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,368 Mm-hmm. 1637 01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:15,050 I told her I was fine, 1638 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,528 but I went and found her later on at the coffee shop. 1639 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,007 And did Ms. Wesley refer you 1640 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,489 to any kind of psychological counseling? 1641 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,523 No. 1642 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,325 Did she suggest that perhaps 1643 01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:31,566 she wasn't the right person 1644 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,082 to be discussing this with you? 1645 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,884 No. 1646 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,088 Well, then what did Ms. Wesley do? 1647 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,009 She was really nice. 1648 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,610 We talked for a long time 1649 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,008 and I could tell that she really cared. 1650 01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,724 Mm. 1651 01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,848 I asked her how she kept it all together so well, 1652 01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,849 and she said, "Jesus." 1653 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,531 So, she's the one who brought up Jesus? 1654 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,762 Did her endorsement ofJesus 1655 01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,360 move you to explore Christianity? 1656 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,204 Yes, at first. 1657 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:06,690 But when the Salvation Army came to pick up my brother's things, 1658 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,682 one of the ladies found his Bible, and she gave it to me. 1659 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,882 I didn't even know that he had one. 1660 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,445 Mm. 1661 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,007 So, I started reading it, and once I started, 1662 01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:25,286 I realized that I didn't wanna stop. 1663 01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,164 That's why. 1664 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,921 That's why I came up with the question that I asked in class. 1665 01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,611 Now, ifl understand you correctly, 1666 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,128 without Ms. Wesley's direct involvement, 1667 01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,641 you never would've asked that question in the first place, 1668 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,683 would you? 1669 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,325 I don't know. 1670 01:29:43,480 --> 01:29:47,007 After all of your Bible readings, 1671 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:52,843 do you feel now that you're a believer? 1672 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,849 Yes. 1673 01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:00,729 Maybe even a Christian? 1674 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,208 Yes. 1675 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,402 At the risk of seeming redundant, 1676 01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,091 do you think any of this, the Bible readings, 1677 01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,000 the question about Jesus in class, 1678 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,691 the newfound commitment to Christianity, 1679 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,168 is it likely that any of that would've occurred 1680 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:24,286 without Ms. Wesley's direct involvement? 1681 01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,724 No, it wouldn't. 1682 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,287 I thank you for your honesty. 1683 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,767 No further questions, Your Honor. 1684 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,202 Mr. Endler, do you wish to redirect? 1685 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,766 No, Your Honor. 1686 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,770 You may step down, Ms. Thawley. 1687 01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,642 N"? 1688 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,045 N"? 1689 01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,447 Why do they look so angry? 1690 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,409 Because they think we lied to them. 1691 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,848 But we didn't. 1692 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,531 It doesn't matter. 1693 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,722 This court is adjourned. 1694 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,165 I have to prepare you, Grace. 1695 01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,888 We're gonna lose this case. 1696 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,884 I know. 1697 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,168 You were right. 1698 01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:35,366 I'm gonna lose everything. 1699 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,124 We saw a very large crowd out here 1700 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,805 at the courthouse yesterday, 1701 01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,890 both in protest and support of teacher Grace Wesley, 1702 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,402 who is on trial for allegedly proselytizing at the classroom. 1703 01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,204 Now, in an unexpected move yesterday, 1704 01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:06,924 we saw some of Wesley's former students 1705 01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:11,688 come out to silently demonstrate their support for their teacher. 1706 01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,961 Oh Father, please take this from me. 1707 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:38,484 I don't know what to do. 1708 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,366 Please don't forsake me. 1709 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,404 Please. 1710 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,486 N"? 1711 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,405 N"? 1712 01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,290 Hey, Brooke. 1713 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,681 I ruined everything, didn't I? 1714 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,167 It's okay, you don't have to answer. 1715 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,800 I know that I did. 1716 01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,400 I'm not even allowed to talk to her. 1717 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,170 How do I let her know that I'm sorry 1718 01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,645 without making things worse? 1719 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,922 I can't tell you what to do, 1720 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:35,361 but whatever you do, just let her know you care. 1721 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,730 Recently, when I've been praying, 1722 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,411 it's like Jesus isn't letting me feel his presence. 1723 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,251 Usually I can almost reach out and touch him, 1724 01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:55,360 but right now it's like he's a million miles away. 1725 01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,049 Honey, you of all people should realize 1726 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,891 when you're going through something really hard, 1727 01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:08,325 the teacher is always quiet during the test. 1728 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:32,642 ♪ Oh Lord my God ♪ 1729 01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:38,563 ♪ When I in awesome wonder ♪ 1730 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:43,680 ♪ Consider all the worlds thy hands have made ♪ 1731 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,802 ♪ I see the stars ♪ 1732 01:34:54,920 --> 01:35:00,563 ♪ I hear the rolling thunder ♪ 1733 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,680 ♪ Thy power throughout the universe displayed ♪ 1734 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:19,880 ♪ Then sings my soul, my Savior God, to thee ♪ 1735 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:27,404 ♪ How great thou art ♪ 1736 01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:34,324 ♪ How great thou art ♪ 1737 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:39,440 ♪ Then sings my soul, my Savior God, to thee ♪ 1738 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,800 ♪ How great thou art ♪ 1739 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:04,841 First of all, 1740 01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,644 this trial took an unexpected turn 1741 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,411 when Wesley's counsel decided they'd try to prove 1742 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,126 the existence of Jesus. 1743 01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,402 Gary, this is kind of your area of expertise. 1744 01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,921 How do you convince the skeptics? 1745 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,971 Well, Governor, I employ what I call the minimal facts method, 1746 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,481 which uses only the historical events 1747 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,364 that are so well evidenced 1748 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:27,448 that they're accepted across the board, 1749 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,564 even by skeptical and non-Christian scholars. 1750 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:31,846 As a result, we... 1751 01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,246 Now I understand what it is 1752 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,283 you weren't allowed to talk about. 1753 01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,882 I wish I still wasn't allowed to talk about it. 1754 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,287 She needs me on thatjury. 1755 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:42,885 Have faith, David. 1756 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,923 God's plan is at work. 1757 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,849 How'd you get here anyway? 1758 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:47,960 I borrowed your Prius. 1759 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,525 It's very nice. 1760 01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:50,680 Don't get too comfortable. 1761 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,728 I'm planning a full recovery. 1762 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,251 So, Rice, do you believe 1763 01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:55,656 that she was proselytizing to her students? 1764 01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,091 Governor, not at all. 1765 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,441 Jesus Christ was the most influential person 1766 01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,130 who ever lived. 1767 01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,163 How could you ignore that fact and teach history? 1768 01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:05,651 I think the real problem is... 1769 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,410 Hey, Martin! 1770 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:08,885 More questions? 1771 01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,496 I wanted to make sure that you were okay. 1772 01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,124 Yeah, I'm fine. 1773 01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,096 They're just holding me over for a little observation. 1774 01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,521 I'll be released soon. 1775 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,250 Something different aboutyou. 1776 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:19,771 Are you okay? 1777 01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,484 I should say so. 1778 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,602 Yes. 1779 01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,484 I believe God wants me to be a minister, 1780 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,728 to return to my country and become a pastor, 1781 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,080 just like you. 1782 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,690 That's great. 1783 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,928 There'll be challenges in your country. 1784 01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,520 Are you prepared for them? 1785 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,968 Lam. 1786 01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:42,531 I'm proud of you. 1787 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,051 Come here. 1788 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:48,725 That's awesome. 1789 01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,166 It's a shocking reality 1790 01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:51,656 that Christians are soon gonna be forced 1791 01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,569 to choose between obeying the law of man 1792 01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,927 or following the Word of God. 1793 01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,485 I'm Mike Huckabee. 1794 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,369 We'll see you next time on "Point of View." 1795 01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,800 N"? 1796 01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,687 N"? 1797 01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,376 Hey Brooke, why don't you go be with Ms. Wesley. 1798 01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,209 I think we can handle this. 1799 01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,209 Yeah, seriously, we've got backup coming. 1800 01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:36,164 You're covered. 1801 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,084 Go get 'em. 1802 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,280 God's got this. 1803 01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:50,046 N"? 1804 01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,927 Where's Tom? 1805 01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,884 All rise. 1806 01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,882 Be seated. 1807 01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:43,651 Are we missing someone? 1808 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,970 Sorry, Your Honor. 1809 01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:52,923 My apologies to the court. 1810 01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,209 That's unexpected. 1811 01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,482 He almost looks like a lawyer. 1812 01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:06,123 Your Honor, I have one final witness to call. 1813 01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,369 Grace Wesley. 1814 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,045 Ms. Wesley, please 1815 01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,481 approach the witness stand. 1816 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,489 Do I have to? 1817 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,568 I'm afraid so. 1818 01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,806 Your Honor, given the witness's reluctance to testify, 1819 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,720 can I have the court's permission to treat her 1820 01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,091 as a hostile witness? 1821 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:32,524 You may. Proceed at your own peril. 1822 01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:37,768 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 1823 01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:38,961 and nothing but the truth? 1824 01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,161 I do. 1825 01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:41,691 Please be seated. 1826 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,487 Grace, I want you to do something for me, 1827 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,285 something for everyone in this courtroom. 1828 01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:54,522 I want you to apologize. 1829 01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,405 I want you to say you're sorry and that you made a mistake. 1830 01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:58,800 Your Honor, what's going on here? 1831 01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,241 Do it, Grace. 1832 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:02,850 I can't do that. 1833 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,883 Why? Why can't you do that, Grace? 1834 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,526 Because I don't believe I did anything wrong. 1835 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,167 Well, as your attorney, I'm advising you to do it anyway. 1836 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,009 To at least pretend that you're sorry 1837 01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,407 and throw yourself on the mercy of the court. 1838 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:16,567 What? 1839 01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,091 That would be a lie. 1840 01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,486 So what? 1841 01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:20,965 Everyone lies. 1842 01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:22,491 Not everyone. 1843 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,080 Are you looking to become a martyr? 1844 01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,043 What in the world is he doing? 1845 01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:28,730 I have no idea. 1846 01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:29,727 N0. 1847 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:31,205 Tommy... 1848 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,049 Then what is it that you want, Grace? 1849 01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,369 Tell me. Tell us. 1850 01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:37,845 I want... 1851 01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,890 I want to be able to tell the truth. 1852 01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,446 The truth? 1853 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:46,891 Whose truth? 1854 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,527 And what truth are you referring to? 1855 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:55,407 Grace, is there some truth that you know that no one else knows? 1856 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:58,885 Oh, that's right. 1857 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,570 The other night, 1858 01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,241 didn't you tell me that Jesus spoke to you personally? 1859 01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:05,850 Why are you doing this? 1860 01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:07,576 I'm the one asking the questions, Ms. Wesley. 1861 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,090 Did you or did you not tell me 1862 01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:13,250 that Jesus spoke to you personally? 1863 01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,806 Yes. 1864 01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,207 And what did he say? 1865 01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,089 I'll make it easier for you. 1866 01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,806 Didn't you say that he asked you a question? 1867 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,656 That was personal. You weren't supposed to... 1868 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,330 I don't care. 1869 01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:28,616 The other night, you told me that Jesus asked you something. 1870 01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,290 What did he ask you, Grace? 1871 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:31,811 Tell all of us. 1872 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,331 I think we deserve to know. 1873 01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:35,044 Why are you doing this to me? 1874 01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:36,525 Answer the question. 1875 01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:38,210 They won't believe me. 1876 01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,243 Doesn't matter. 1877 01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:45,446 All that matters is that you believe it. 1878 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,723 Tell us, Grace, under penalty of perjury, 1879 01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,764 what was the question that God presented to you personally 1880 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,327 that night on campus? 1881 01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:57,801 Answer the question. 1882 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,082 Answer the question! 1883 01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:15,290 He asked, "Who do you say that I am?" 1884 01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,962 And what did you answer? 1885 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,246 You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 1886 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,885 Well, there you have it. 1887 01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,890 Your Honor, I think we've all heard quite enough. 1888 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:38,445 Mr. Endler, 1889 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,881 are you looking to change your client's plea? 1890 01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,809 No, Your Honor. 1891 01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,048 I say she's innocent of all wrongdoing. 1892 01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,403 But I'm asking the jury to find against her anyway. 1893 01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,204 I mean, let's, let's face it. 1894 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:54,291 She has the audacity to believe not only that there is a God, 1895 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,801 but that she has a personal relationship with Him, 1896 01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,367 which colors everything that she says and does. 1897 01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,080 I think it's time that we stop pretending 1898 01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,168 that we can trust a person like this 1899 01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,328 to serve in a public capacity. 1900 01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:09,922 In the name of tolerance and diversity, I say we destroy her. 1901 01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:11,326 That's enough, Mr. Endler. 1902 01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:13,169 Then we can all go to our graves content, 1903 01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,328 knowing that we stomped out the last spark of faith 1904 01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,200 that was ever exhibited in the public square. 1905 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,606 That's enough, Mr. Endler. 1906 01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:20,776 I say we make an example of her. 1907 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,609 Mr. Endler, that's enough. 1908 01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:24,210 Let's set a new precedent, 1909 01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,966 that employment by our federal government mandates 1910 01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,731 that you must first denounce any belief system you have. 1911 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,616 Mr. Endler that is enough! You are out of order. 1912 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,369 And if someone slips through the cracks 1913 01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:37,769 and hides their beliefs, then we arrest them and fine them. 1914 01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,856 And if they don't pay, then we seize their property. 1915 01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:41,211 And if they resist... 1916 01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,045 Well, let's not kid ourselves. 1917 01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:46,003 Enforcement is always at the end of a gun. 1918 01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:47,884 Mr. Endler, you are out of order. 1919 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,331 I charge you with contempt! 1920 01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:51,090 I accept the charge, 1921 01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,771 because I have nothing but contempt for these proceedings. 1922 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,770 If we're going to insist that a Christian's right to believe 1923 01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,689 is subordinate to all other rights, 1924 01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,962 then it's not a right. 1925 01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,686 Somebody is always going to be offended. 1926 01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,690 Two thousand years of human history proves that. 1927 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,484 So, I say we get on with it. 1928 01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,922 Cite the law, charge the jury, and send them off to deliberate. 1929 01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,008 So be it! 1930 01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,441 Now, we are gonna bypass the usual closing arguments, 1931 01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,962 unless Mr. Kane finds the need to further address the jury. 1932 01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:26,969 No, Your Honor. 1933 01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,367 We can ask nothing more. 1934 01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:33,371 My instructions to you are simple. 1935 01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:37,804 Uphold the law without unfairly www.akumenang.com 1936 01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:42,528 or risking a mistrial on appeal. 1937 01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:48,522 Now, I believe I can safely say that the respondent's counsel 1938 01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:53,726 has dared you to convict his own client. 1939 01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,480 The jury will now be dismissed for deliberation. 1940 01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,729 We are adjourned. 1941 01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,401 She hasn't got a prayer. 1942 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:14,851 Let's go. 1943 01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,931 Remind me to send him a thank-you note. 1944 01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,770 N"? 1945 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,287 N"? 1946 01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:57,968 N"? 1947 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,321 N"? 1948 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:28,289 Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. 1949 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:29,731 Thanks for coming out. 1950 01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:31,769 Hey, right now on the phone, 1951 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,922 a friend of mine named Amy is on the line, 1952 01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:38,602 and she's calling about a woman who's on trial for her faith. 1953 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:43,163 This woman has risked everything for Jesus. 1954 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,851 Amy's asked me to pray for this woman. 1955 01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:47,928 Will you guys join me? 1956 01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,203 Lord, we know that to risk anything for you 1957 01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:55,490 is a complete honor with eternal rewards. 1958 01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,568 But if it's within your will, 1959 01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,810 can you please restore this woman's hope 1960 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:07,131 and make her faith an example to all of us? 1961 01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:10,369 Lord, show your power to a fallen world. 1962 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:15,327 We know you have the power to do anything. 1963 01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,331 So, we ask you right now, crying out as the body of Christ, 1964 01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:21,249 move those hearts of those people, 1965 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:23,328 both the judge and the jury, 1966 01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:27,843 to let them know the beauty of your majesty. 1967 01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,851 And we all said amen. 1968 01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,200 Amen. 1969 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,321 N"? 1970 01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,441 N"? 1971 01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,202 N"? 1972 01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,170 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1973 01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,248 have you reached a decision? 1974 01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,648 We have, Your Honor. 1975 01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,970 And how do you find? 1976 01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:30,249 We, the jury, find in favor of Grace Wesley. 1977 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:39,080 N"? 1978 01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,520 We are adjourned. 1979 01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,489 Nice shoes. 1980 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,888 N"? 1981 01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,365 N"? 1982 01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:24,965 N"? 1983 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:28,641 Grace, I'm sorry. 1984 01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:29,807 I couldn't tell you. 1985 01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,684 It had to come as a surprise, 1986 01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,485 otherwise the jury wouldn't have been swayed by your reactions. 1987 01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,400 So, you did have a plan. 1988 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,967 No, you did. 1989 01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:43,650 You stood up for what you believed in 1990 01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,683 and you held on to your faith. 1991 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,963 I don't know anybody that would have done that. 1992 01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,726 They were hoping to make an example of you, 1993 01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,961 but instead you became an inspiration. 1994 01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,048 We did it! 1995 01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:03,243 Hey, you've kept quiet long enough. 1996 01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:06,762 Why don't you go share the good news? 1997 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:15,004 Hey, thank you. 1998 01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:17,441 Yeah. 1999 01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:21,762 N"? 2000 01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:29,569 ♪ When did it become breaking a rule ♪ 2001 01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:33,321 ♪ To say your name out loud in school ♪ 2002 01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:40,483 ♪ When your name's the only one that sets us free ♪ 2003 01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:44,047 ♪ When did it become incorrect ♪ 2004 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:47,846 ♪ To speak the truth about life and death ♪ 2005 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:54,047 ♪ When your life gave us all eternity ♪ 2006 01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,607 ♪ Even if it gets me convicted ♪ 2007 01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:02,567 ♪ I'll be on my knees with my hands lifted ♪ 2008 01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:04,170 God's not dead! 2009 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,527 ♪ If serving you's against the law of man ♪ 2010 01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,601 ♪ If living out my faith in you is banned ♪ 2011 01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:17,602 ♪ Then I'll stand right before the jury ♪ 2012 01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:21,042 ♪ If saying I believe is out of line ♪ 2013 01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:26,246 ♪ If it's just cause I'm gonna give my life ♪ 2014 01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:31,844 ♪ To show the world the love that fills me ♪ 2015 01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:33,769 ♪ Then I want to be guilty ♪ 2016 01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:35,882 A case that was turning for the worse 2017 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,764 was concluded with a powerful happy ending 2018 01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:39,450 for Ms. Grace Wesley. 2019 01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:41,528 Live outside the courthouse here in Hope Springs. 2020 01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,085 Father. You did it! 2021 01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:45,328 Ha ha ha ha ha! 2022 01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:47,681 God is good. 2023 01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,131 The verdict is in. 2024 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:50,576 Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. I want to hear this. 2025 01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:51,886 In the case of Thawley v. Wesley, 2026 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:53,889 they have ruled in favor of Grace Wesley. 2027 01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,890 The crowd is in full celebration here in Hope Springs. 2028 01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,249 So are you gonna say it, or should I? 2029 01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:01,805 Say what? 2030 01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:03,564 God is good. 2031 01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:05,205 All the time. 2032 01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:06,606 And all the time. 2033 01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:08,085 God is good. 2034 01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:09,440 Amen, brother. 2035 01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,927 N"? 2036 01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:15,840 ♪ Show the world the love that fills me ♪ 2037 01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,450 ♪ Love that fills me ♪ 2038 01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:21,685 ♪ Then I want to be guilty by association ♪ 2039 01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:26,601 ♪ Guilty of being a voice proclaiming your ways ♪ 2040 01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:28,927 ♪ Your truth, your life ♪ 2041 01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:35,207 ♪ I'll pay the price to be your light ♪ 2042 01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:39,051 I'll get to work on the appeal. 2043 01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:40,650 Don't bother. 2044 01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:42,728 If we appeal and lose, it'll set a precedent. 2045 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,444 I don't want that. 2046 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:45,971 I don't understand how we lost this. 2047 01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,366 He outsmarted us. 2048 01:53:47,480 --> 01:53:50,927 He played our role in attacking Wesley. 2049 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,441 He made the jury hate everyone, but her. 2050 01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:58,122 Not to mention he proved the existence of Jesus Christ. 2051 01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,364 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2052 01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:18,165 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2053 01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:21,284 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2054 01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:24,085 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2055 01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,170 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2056 01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,170 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2057 01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,443 God's not dead! He's surely alive! 2058 01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,803 ♪ My God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2059 01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:40,686 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2060 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,770 ♪ God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2061 01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:48,488 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2062 01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,011 ♪ He's roaring ♪ 2063 01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:51,849 ♪ He's roaring... ♪ 2064 01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:56,204 ♪ He's roaring like a lion ♪ 2065 01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:03,568 ♪ Let hope arise and make the darkness hide ♪ 2066 01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:11,680 ♪ My faith is dead, I need a resurrection somehow ♪ 2067 01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:19,283 ♪ Now I'm lost in your freedom ♪ 2068 01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:24,884 ♪ In this world, I'll overcome ♪ 2069 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:28,209 ♪ My God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2070 01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:32,564 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2071 01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,684 ♪ My God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2072 01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:40,044 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2073 01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,170 ♪ God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2074 01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,410 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2075 01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:50,444 ♪ God's not dead, he's surely alive ♪ 2076 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,404 ♪ He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion ♪ 2077 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,569 ♪ He's roaring... ♪ 2078 01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:58,210 ♪ He's roaring ♪ 2079 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:02,041 ♪ He's roaring like a lion ♪ 2080 01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:03,810 ♪ He's roaring... ♪ 2081 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:05,365 ♪ He's roaring ♪ 2082 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,761 ♪ He's roaring like a lion ♪ 2083 01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,804 ♪ He's roaring like a lion. ♪ 2084 01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:24,600 N"? 2085 01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:37,050 ♪ You're not everybody's expectations ♪ 2086 01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:39,811 ♪ You're not just the cards you're dealt ♪ 2087 01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,810 ♪ You aren't a product of your generation ♪ 2088 01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,605 ♪ You are what you make yourself ♪ 2089 01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:51,489 ♪ Take all that you're afraid to say ♪ 2090 01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:57,369 ♪ Post it up and put it on display ♪ 2091 01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,562 ♪ You don't have to play nice now ♪ 2092 01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:03,127 ♪ Stay held down, shut up, and keep it quiet ♪ 2093 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:06,767 ♪ Don't have to take the easy way out, follow the in-crowd ♪ 2094 01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,565 ♪ Stand up and make a riot ♪ 2095 01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,331 ♪ Nothing's gonna change if you won't ♪ 2096 01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,046 ♪ No, nothing's gonna change if you don't ♪ 2097 01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:19,529 ♪ It'll be the hardest thing you'll ever have to do ♪ 2098 01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:24,202 ♪ But don't let them silence you ♪ 2099 01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:28,203 N"? 2100 01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:35,560 ♪ When you look back on this moment ♪ 2101 01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:38,570 ♪ You'll have wished you'd spoken your mind ♪ 2102 01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:41,445 ♪ Step up to the plate and own it ♪ 2103 01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:44,086 ♪ Instead of blending in the sidelines ♪ 2104 01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:49,849 ♪ Take all that you're afraid to be ♪ 2105 01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:55,803 ♪ Light it up for everyone to see ♪ 2106 01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,849 ♪ You don't have to play nice now ♪ 2107 01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,521 ♪ Stay held down, shut up, and keep it quiet ♪ 2108 01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:05,201 ♪ Don't have to take the easy way out, follow the in-crowd ♪ 2109 01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:08,130 ♪ Stand up and make a riot ♪ 2110 01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:10,925 ♪ Nothing's gonna change if you won't ♪ 2111 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:13,691 ♪ No, nothing's gonna change if you don't ♪ 2112 01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:18,124 ♪ It'll be the hardest thing you'll ever have to do ♪ 2113 01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,325 ♪ But don't let them silence you ♪ 2114 01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:30,530 ♪ And when we're gone, our words live on ♪ 2115 01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:34,008 ♪ So, don't let them silence, silence ♪ 2116 01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:37,090 ♪ No, you won't ♪ 2117 01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:38,929 ♪ You don't have to play nice now ♪ 2118 01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:42,442 ♪ Stay held down, shut up, and keep it quiet ♪ 2119 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:46,087 ♪ Don't have to take the easy way out, follow the in-crowd ♪ 2120 01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:49,170 ♪ Stand up and make a riot ♪ 2121 01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,886 ♪ Nothing's gonna change if you won't ♪ 2122 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:54,685 ♪ No, nothing's gonna change if you don't ♪ 2123 01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:59,010 ♪ It'll be the hardest thing you'll ever have to do ♪ 2124 01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:03,682 ♪ But don't let them silence you ♪ 2125 01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:16,246 ♪ No, don't let them silence you. ♪ 2126 01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:18,044 You know I'm gonna need my keys back. 2127 01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:19,730 I know. 2128 01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,247 Two days of ice chips. I'm starving. 2129 01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:25,051 I'm hungry as well, David. 2130 01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,606 How about I take you for a nice tuna melt? 2131 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:29,410 David Hill? 2132 01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,285 Yes? 2133 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,607 You're under arrest. 2134 01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:35,767 For what? 2135 01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:37,484 Contempt of court. 2136 01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,640 You failed to produce your sermons upon court order. 2137 01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:41,176 Please put your hands behind your back. 2138 01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:42,611 Please be gentle. 2139 01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:44,449 He has just been released from the hospital. 2140 01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:45,561 I don't understand. 2141 01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:47,284 What is he being accused of? 2142 01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:49,050 You have the right to remain silent. 2143 01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:51,120 Anything you say can and will be used against you 2144 01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,487 in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney. 2145 01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:54,656 If you cannot afford an attorney, 2146 01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,170 one will be provided for you. 2147 01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:58,362 Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? 2148 01:59:58,480 --> 01:59:59,891 Yes. 2149 02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:08,570 Sorry about this, Pastor. 2150 02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:10,688 It's okay. 2151 02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:11,976 Looks like I'm gonna need you to fill in for me 2152 02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,286 a little while longer. 2153 02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:16,051 Of course, David, anything you need. 2154 02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:22,651 What do we do now? 2155 02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:24,410 Same as always, Martin. 2156 02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:28,650 We pray, in faith.