0 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,000 1 00:01:02,264 --> 00:01:05,848 Tonight, Lux is visiting one of Hollywood's most exciting new stars, 2 00:01:05,930 --> 00:01:07,389 Jane Fonda. 3 00:01:07,472 --> 00:01:10,180 Jane's been using Lux-- How long, Jane? 4 00:01:10,264 --> 00:01:12,556 Ever since my first roles in summer stock, 5 00:01:12,639 --> 00:01:14,681 I could see that a star just had to have 6 00:01:14,764 --> 00:01:17,055 a really lovely complexion. 7 00:01:28,389 --> 00:01:29,472 Might I assume that 8 00:01:29,556 --> 00:01:33,139 you are a, uh, very lovely lady? 9 00:01:33,222 --> 00:01:35,930 That you may. 10 00:01:43,514 --> 00:01:45,264 Well, will you join our cause? 11 00:01:45,347 --> 00:01:48,139 What cause? Who are you? 12 00:02:06,306 --> 00:02:09,389 The woman in the helmet is Jane Fonda, the actress. 13 00:02:09,472 --> 00:02:11,264 Actress Jane Fonda was arrested 14 00:02:11,347 --> 00:02:13,180 today at the airport in Cleveland. 15 00:02:13,264 --> 00:02:15,431 The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine 16 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:17,222 whether Ms. Fonda had violated 17 00:02:17,306 --> 00:02:19,389 sedition, treason or other statutes. 18 00:02:23,848 --> 00:02:27,139 Any healthy country, like any healthy individual, 19 00:02:27,222 --> 00:02:29,222 should be in perpetual revolution, 20 00:02:29,306 --> 00:02:31,055 perpetual change. 21 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:35,598 You just may be the most talked about personality 22 00:02:35,681 --> 00:02:37,306 in the country today. 23 00:02:37,389 --> 00:02:40,306 There's a lot of, uh, hostility towards you. 24 00:02:40,389 --> 00:02:42,764 Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home. 25 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:49,723 My first guest tonight is a gal that I admire highly. 26 00:02:49,806 --> 00:02:52,598 Funny thing how people who were called radicals at the time 27 00:02:52,681 --> 00:02:54,264 now are considered right-on. 28 00:02:56,180 --> 00:02:57,764 You have to have the courage to speak 29 00:02:57,848 --> 00:02:59,389 about the changes that are needed 30 00:02:59,472 --> 00:03:01,598 and it includes challenging, at the root, 31 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:05,014 the corporate power that has taken over the economy of this country. 32 00:03:07,431 --> 00:03:10,139 You turn around and marry a billionaire. 33 00:03:10,222 --> 00:03:12,806 How do you go from one to the other 34 00:03:12,889 --> 00:03:16,097 without completely losing yourself somewhere in there? 35 00:04:17,097 --> 00:04:18,139 Ow! 36 00:04:18,222 --> 00:04:19,139 Sorry. 37 00:04:27,472 --> 00:04:29,514 To drink or not to drink. 38 00:04:30,764 --> 00:04:32,139 I think I'll drink. 39 00:04:34,514 --> 00:04:36,723 The problem is they only serve wine. 40 00:04:36,806 --> 00:04:39,556 Oh, really? They're not doing-- They don't do champagne? 41 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:42,848 I-I don't drink champagne. I don't drink wine. I drink vodka. 42 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:44,930 Well, maybe they can-- 43 00:04:45,014 --> 00:04:47,848 I'll have to bribe somebody. 44 00:04:51,806 --> 00:04:54,681 You know the two times that I won an Oscar, 45 00:04:54,764 --> 00:04:56,347 I did my own hair and makeup. 46 00:04:56,431 --> 00:04:57,598 You're kidding? 47 00:04:57,681 --> 00:05:00,972 When I picked up the Oscar for my dad... 48 00:05:02,806 --> 00:05:05,930 it looked like the Lindbergh baby was hidden in my hair. 49 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:09,097 It's, it's that hair there. 50 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:11,972 I mean, it was the '80s, just to be fair to myself. 51 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:21,306 Okay, Fonda, keep your chin up. 52 00:05:21,389 --> 00:05:23,180 It's Jane Fonda! 53 00:05:36,514 --> 00:05:38,139 Ms. Fonda, that-- 54 00:05:40,014 --> 00:05:41,431 Yeah, could we have one smile this way? 55 00:05:41,514 --> 00:05:42,764 One smile? Thank you. 56 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,764 Has Vanity Fair been published? Yes. 57 00:05:53,848 --> 00:05:55,972 -Just this month? -Yes, and I'm on the cover. 58 00:05:56,055 --> 00:05:59,097 Aw. Yeah, I wouldn't get on the cover. 59 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:02,097 I never thought... I'd never have thought that I would ever-- 60 00:06:02,180 --> 00:06:03,806 Were they Hollywood women? Is that it? 61 00:06:03,889 --> 00:06:06,347 -It was called the Year of the Woman-- -Was it Saoirse? 62 00:06:06,431 --> 00:06:07,639 -Not even from Hollywood. -It was. 63 00:06:07,723 --> 00:06:10,806 Irish. 64 00:06:10,889 --> 00:06:12,347 -Brie Larson? -Yeah. 65 00:06:12,431 --> 00:06:14,930 Oh, same old-- Helen Mirren? 66 00:06:15,014 --> 00:06:17,472 Yes. 67 00:06:17,556 --> 00:06:20,472 -They took me out and put you in. -Yeah, they did. 68 00:06:20,556 --> 00:06:22,222 They aced me out. 69 00:06:22,306 --> 00:06:25,639 It went from 21-year-old Saoirse... This is your fault. 70 00:06:25,723 --> 00:06:28,014 ...to 78-year-old me. 71 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:29,972 Yeah. 72 00:06:31,139 --> 00:06:34,264 Well, that's no big deal. 73 00:06:35,806 --> 00:06:39,139 After 53 years of friendship and 11 films together, 74 00:06:39,222 --> 00:06:41,723 you don't think I'm gonna start to bullshit you now, do you? 75 00:06:41,806 --> 00:06:44,347 -You of all people? -No, I don't! 76 00:06:44,431 --> 00:06:45,848 I wouldn't deserve that. 77 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:48,681 That's right. You don't deserve it. 78 00:06:48,764 --> 00:06:51,306 You deserve me to call a spade a spade, 79 00:06:52,264 --> 00:06:54,806 which is why I dragged my ass here from LA. 80 00:06:54,889 --> 00:06:57,930 Look, Brenda, if it's about scene 21, 81 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:00,556 where you're described as "ugly," 82 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:04,014 "feeble," uh, "a pale shadow of your former beauty." 83 00:07:04,097 --> 00:07:07,723 Please, realize that's just poetic license. 84 00:07:07,806 --> 00:07:10,097 You still preserve intact. 85 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:12,930 You have to. 86 00:07:13,014 --> 00:07:16,472 That mystery, that allure you had when you first became a diva. 87 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:30,264 When you were little lady Jane Fonda, 88 00:07:30,347 --> 00:07:32,014 up on Tigertail Road... 89 00:07:32,097 --> 00:07:35,681 did you dream about being an actress? Did you wanna be? 90 00:07:35,764 --> 00:07:39,431 Did I want to be an actress? No, not until I was, uh, well into my 20s. 91 00:07:39,514 --> 00:07:41,431 -I-I didn't, um... -Really? 'Cause you were so-- 92 00:07:41,514 --> 00:07:44,389 -I think when you grow up in the industry... -Mm-hmm. 93 00:07:44,472 --> 00:07:46,848 ...and you see, uh, what the people are 94 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:49,389 -really like behind their masks... -Mm-hm. 95 00:07:49,472 --> 00:07:52,347 ...you know, you're not too encouraged to become an actor. 96 00:08:02,972 --> 00:08:04,431 I grew up in the shadow 97 00:08:04,514 --> 00:08:06,764 of a national monument. 98 00:08:06,848 --> 00:08:09,598 Wait a minute, buddy. You just done some jackassin'. 99 00:08:09,681 --> 00:08:11,306 You can't shut up now. 100 00:08:11,389 --> 00:08:13,389 The handbill said they need 800 pickers, 101 00:08:13,472 --> 00:08:15,097 you laugh and say they don't. 102 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:16,723 Which one's the liar? 103 00:08:16,806 --> 00:08:19,889 My dad, his values, 104 00:08:19,972 --> 00:08:24,306 you know, solid American... 105 00:08:24,389 --> 00:08:26,598 Midwestern values: 106 00:08:26,681 --> 00:08:29,972 fairness, equality, justice. 107 00:08:30,556 --> 00:08:33,889 Stand up for the underdog, and that's why he gravitated 108 00:08:33,972 --> 00:08:37,639 to characters like Tom Joad in Grapes of Wrath, 109 00:08:37,723 --> 00:08:42,848 and The Ox-Bow Incident, which was about a lynching and racism. 110 00:08:44,055 --> 00:08:46,806 12 Angry Men , I mean, 111 00:08:46,889 --> 00:08:49,972 without him ever saying so, I knew that these movies 112 00:08:50,055 --> 00:08:52,889 expressed what he could never say verbally. 113 00:08:57,222 --> 00:09:00,139 He was the face of the America that... 114 00:09:00,222 --> 00:09:02,222 people wanted to believe in. 115 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:07,264 I was Henry Fonda's daughter, which, of course, meant 116 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:10,222 that I was polite, I was nice... 117 00:09:10,723 --> 00:09:12,806 ...I was the girl next door. 118 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:16,598 All the things that I didn't feel I was. 119 00:09:18,097 --> 00:09:21,097 I didn't like my body. I didn't like myself. I... 120 00:09:21,764 --> 00:09:23,930 I felt shy. 121 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:28,014 We looked like the American Dream. 122 00:09:28,097 --> 00:09:29,889 Rich, beautiful, 123 00:09:29,972 --> 00:09:31,972 close... 124 00:09:32,055 --> 00:09:34,264 but a lot of it was simply myth. 125 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:44,556 This is the summer 126 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,222 when I was 11. 127 00:09:47,681 --> 00:09:51,806 It was staged for some magazine, I don't remember which one. 128 00:09:52,472 --> 00:09:55,055 Then there's my brother, Peter, and my mother. 129 00:09:56,556 --> 00:09:59,347 She had been in and out of institutions by that time, 130 00:09:59,431 --> 00:10:04,055 and when I look at her face, I can see the anxiety and the stress, 131 00:10:04,139 --> 00:10:06,347 and it makes me very, very sad. 132 00:10:07,848 --> 00:10:11,264 I didn't know why, but I had an aversion to her. 133 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:15,930 My team is the winning team, my team is the man, 134 00:10:16,014 --> 00:10:17,639 my dad. 135 00:10:18,972 --> 00:10:22,972 And you can tell he is not present at all. 136 00:10:23,472 --> 00:10:27,848 He was having an affair with a far younger woman. 137 00:10:29,139 --> 00:10:30,472 Family picnic. 138 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:33,639 To me, that is a very... 139 00:10:34,347 --> 00:10:36,180 sad picture. 140 00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:40,472 It says it all. 141 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:52,639 I was alone a lot growing up. 142 00:10:53,347 --> 00:10:56,097 I spent all my time roaming the hills. 143 00:10:56,180 --> 00:10:58,306 I wanted to be Tonto. 144 00:11:00,014 --> 00:11:03,806 In those days, when you really became somebody, 145 00:11:03,889 --> 00:11:06,972 it meant that you were... independent, 146 00:11:07,055 --> 00:11:09,180 you didn't need anybody. 147 00:11:11,347 --> 00:11:15,055 But then I'd look into the windows of houses 148 00:11:15,139 --> 00:11:17,014 where people were sitting at the table... 149 00:11:18,306 --> 00:11:22,723 and I remember, it would bring up a feeling of longing in me. 150 00:11:24,264 --> 00:11:27,139 And I figured, whatever it is that creates 151 00:11:27,222 --> 00:11:30,848 that thing that I'm looking at, that warm... 152 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:35,014 glow of light, people laughing and talking, 153 00:11:35,097 --> 00:11:37,347 that will never be mine. 154 00:11:39,514 --> 00:11:40,806 Henry Fonda, 155 00:11:40,889 --> 00:11:45,306 we name you Stage Father of 1952. 156 00:11:45,389 --> 00:11:47,639 Here is your medal and my heartiest congratulations. 157 00:11:47,723 --> 00:11:50,014 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Austin. 158 00:11:51,055 --> 00:11:53,514 I feel very honored. I just hope that 159 00:11:53,598 --> 00:11:56,889 my Jane and Peter are gonna be properly impressed. 160 00:11:58,097 --> 00:12:01,389 He was a hero to so many people. 161 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:03,097 But... 162 00:12:04,264 --> 00:12:07,222 these kind of men aren't always good fathers. 163 00:12:08,472 --> 00:12:11,347 It's hard to be both. 164 00:12:13,389 --> 00:12:15,639 I wanted to please dad. 165 00:12:15,723 --> 00:12:18,681 Who would you like me to be? I'll do whatever you want, 166 00:12:18,764 --> 00:12:21,014 'cause I want you to love me. 167 00:12:21,097 --> 00:12:22,723 Peter was the opposite. 168 00:12:24,222 --> 00:12:25,848 If he was scared, he'd cried. 169 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:28,639 If he was angry with dad, he'd show it. 170 00:12:29,264 --> 00:12:32,097 And it was really hard on Peter. 171 00:12:33,556 --> 00:12:35,889 He had it way harder than me. 172 00:12:37,431 --> 00:12:40,723 It's more difficult for Jane than it is for me, actually. 173 00:12:40,806 --> 00:12:44,180 You see, it's not that he wasn't or isn't a loving person at all. 174 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,681 He just... has no character with a script that says, "Henry Fonda: 175 00:12:48,764 --> 00:12:52,014 Fonda says, 'I love you son,'" and he would be able to handle it. 176 00:12:52,097 --> 00:12:53,930 Without that script, he's got nothing to do. 177 00:12:54,014 --> 00:12:56,472 I mean, he has to have the mask in order to express. 178 00:12:57,848 --> 00:13:01,014 Jane has no way to attach herself to Henry. 179 00:13:01,097 --> 00:13:03,972 She's lost out there as his daughter. 180 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:10,848 I was 20, maybe 21, 181 00:13:12,139 --> 00:13:14,556 still living at my father's house 182 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,055 on the beach in Malibu. 183 00:13:19,264 --> 00:13:22,055 My stepmother had given me an ultimatum: 184 00:13:22,139 --> 00:13:25,139 "Come fall, you have to move out of the house." 185 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,556 What was I gonna do? 186 00:13:29,306 --> 00:13:32,972 A quarter-mile down the beach was Lee Strasberg's house. 187 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:36,431 He was the great acting coach. 188 00:13:36,514 --> 00:13:41,306 He taught people like Paul Newman and James Dean, and, of course, Marilyn Monroe. 189 00:13:42,806 --> 00:13:44,556 I walked down the beach, 190 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,889 took off my high-heeled shoes to walk in the sand. 191 00:13:47,972 --> 00:13:51,264 I knocked on the back door after having put my shoes back on. 192 00:13:51,347 --> 00:13:52,681 He let me in. 193 00:13:53,222 --> 00:13:54,764 He later said, 194 00:13:54,848 --> 00:13:59,347 "She seemed to be the most boring, conventional girl... 195 00:14:00,723 --> 00:14:03,180 "except when I looked into her eyes, 196 00:14:03,889 --> 00:14:05,723 there was a lot hidden." 197 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:08,431 And he took me into his class. 198 00:14:12,556 --> 00:14:16,139 Lee taught us to... dive deep 199 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,180 into your own psyche, 200 00:14:19,222 --> 00:14:21,889 private moments, sensory memories, 201 00:14:22,889 --> 00:14:26,347 to bring a deeper life to your character. 202 00:14:29,347 --> 00:14:31,848 I was so scared. 203 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:34,139 I sat in the back. 204 00:14:34,222 --> 00:14:37,598 I would've been happy if I never ended up performing in that class. 205 00:14:38,431 --> 00:14:41,180 Eventually, after about two months, 206 00:14:41,264 --> 00:14:42,806 Lee said, "Okay. 207 00:14:42,889 --> 00:14:45,598 "You know, tomorrow you're gonna do it." 208 00:14:47,764 --> 00:14:49,306 The class was fuller than usual. 209 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:50,889 I think they wanted to come see 210 00:14:50,972 --> 00:14:53,347 Henry Fonda's daughter fall on her face. 211 00:14:55,764 --> 00:14:58,472 And then I remember when I was through, 212 00:14:58,556 --> 00:15:00,723 Lee was silent for a long time. 213 00:15:01,431 --> 00:15:04,472 And then he said, "You know, I see a lot of people come through here. 214 00:15:05,556 --> 00:15:07,639 You have real talent." 215 00:15:10,472 --> 00:15:12,389 I swear... 216 00:15:13,139 --> 00:15:17,180 it was like someone had opened the top of my head and birds flew out. 217 00:15:19,723 --> 00:15:21,723 Everyone off the steps. 218 00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:27,097 Diane? 219 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:34,222 I can't stand it! 220 00:15:35,347 --> 00:15:36,889 The first time you really 221 00:15:36,972 --> 00:15:40,347 discover something you love, organically love to do, 222 00:15:40,431 --> 00:15:42,014 you go to sleep loving it, 223 00:15:42,097 --> 00:15:43,556 and you wake up and you love it, 224 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,180 and you don't have to think about it, 225 00:15:45,264 --> 00:15:47,514 and you don't mind staying home alone at night 226 00:15:47,598 --> 00:15:49,723 because you've got this thing that you really love to do. 227 00:15:58,306 --> 00:16:00,598 Jane Fonda decided to follow 228 00:16:00,681 --> 00:16:03,180 the well-known path trod by her distinguished father, 229 00:16:03,264 --> 00:16:04,723 actor Henry Fonda. 230 00:16:04,806 --> 00:16:07,264 Jane worked as a photographer's model 231 00:16:07,347 --> 00:16:09,681 to earn a living while she mastered the art. 232 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:12,889 -Hello, Jane. -Hello, Charlie. 233 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:16,222 I think that we caught you just moving into this apartment. 234 00:16:16,306 --> 00:16:17,598 You certainly did. 235 00:16:17,681 --> 00:16:19,764 Jane, do you think it's important for a girl 236 00:16:19,848 --> 00:16:21,431 starting out to be on her own, 237 00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:23,472 to have her own apartment like this? 238 00:16:25,055 --> 00:16:27,139 Well, I think, uh... 239 00:16:28,347 --> 00:16:30,264 it helps, I think, to be away from the family, 240 00:16:30,347 --> 00:16:31,723 particularly for me. 241 00:16:31,806 --> 00:16:34,097 You know, if a child and the parent 242 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:36,389 work in the same business, 243 00:16:36,472 --> 00:16:38,930 it's uh, you feel more independent, you know. 244 00:16:39,014 --> 00:16:41,139 I feel... 245 00:16:41,222 --> 00:16:44,598 I don't have to always be explaining what I'm doing and everything like that. 246 00:16:44,681 --> 00:16:46,598 -Uh, you're-- - I hope my father's not listening to this. 247 00:16:46,681 --> 00:16:48,097 He probably is. 248 00:16:50,222 --> 00:16:52,889 I had this instantaneous career. 249 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,180 I was doing plays on Broadway. 250 00:16:57,264 --> 00:16:59,389 I was making movies in Hollywood. 251 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:04,806 I was nominated for a Tony and won the New York Drama Critics' Circle Award 252 00:17:04,889 --> 00:17:08,930 for the most promising actress of the year for drama. 253 00:17:10,848 --> 00:17:14,306 Well, it says outside that-- that Brad and I are starring in the show, 254 00:17:14,389 --> 00:17:17,180 you know, and that's one of the reasons that people are coming. 255 00:17:17,264 --> 00:17:19,681 But I don't feel... 256 00:17:20,556 --> 00:17:23,264 I don't feel that I can... 257 00:17:23,347 --> 00:17:25,848 quite live up to that, you know? 258 00:17:27,723 --> 00:17:29,764 It's a funny feeling. 259 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:37,972 During that period of time, 260 00:17:38,055 --> 00:17:40,180 I was asked to audition, for Kazan, 261 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:44,806 for the female lead in Splendor in the Grass that Natalie Wood ended up doing. 262 00:17:44,889 --> 00:17:46,848 It was in a theater, and Kazan 263 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:48,889 called me down to the footlights 264 00:17:48,972 --> 00:17:52,055 and-- and he was standing below and he looked up at me, 265 00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:53,889 and he said, "Are you ambitious?" 266 00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:56,055 And I said, "No!" 267 00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:59,055 Talk about self-betrayal. 268 00:17:59,139 --> 00:18:02,514 I just wanted to be okay. 269 00:18:02,598 --> 00:18:05,097 I wanted to be a good girl. 270 00:18:06,264 --> 00:18:08,681 A good girl 271 00:18:08,764 --> 00:18:11,264 is not an ambitious person. 272 00:18:16,556 --> 00:18:19,723 I got hired for a whole string of girl next door, 273 00:18:19,806 --> 00:18:22,930 ingénues, and I became the actor 274 00:18:23,014 --> 00:18:25,180 that would get the light, romantic comedies 275 00:18:25,264 --> 00:18:29,222 that would start as plays on Broadway and then they'd be made into films. 276 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:34,764 She's already made him a sissy. 277 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:36,222 Oh man, that do it every time. 278 00:18:36,306 --> 00:18:38,848 -Mm-hmm. -She'll be back tomorrow, at the latest. 279 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:41,264 Well, let 'em. 280 00:18:41,347 --> 00:18:45,347 George, will you please get my little blue zipper bag? 281 00:18:45,972 --> 00:18:47,514 Please? 282 00:18:47,598 --> 00:18:49,055 You know what I had in mind? 283 00:18:49,139 --> 00:18:51,347 - George? - Hong Kong. 284 00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:54,055 All right! I'll get it myself! 285 00:18:54,139 --> 00:18:57,347 -Huh? -I'll go out and get it myself! 286 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,472 You know, and I was, okay at it. 287 00:19:01,556 --> 00:19:02,972 I was all right. 288 00:19:04,889 --> 00:19:06,930 Oh, ow! 289 00:19:07,014 --> 00:19:08,472 I knew how to talk kind of high 290 00:19:08,556 --> 00:19:10,347 and blink my eyes and... 291 00:19:14,472 --> 00:19:15,639 Whoa. 292 00:19:21,514 --> 00:19:23,556 This is the Plaza Hotel, please. 293 00:19:23,639 --> 00:19:25,306 Plaza. Corie, it's the Plaza. 294 00:19:25,389 --> 00:19:27,514 Wait a minute, I'm not finished. 295 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,764 Corie, the man is waiting, waiting. 296 00:19:29,848 --> 00:19:31,431 Give him a big tip. 297 00:19:31,514 --> 00:19:33,723 Paul, tell me you're not sorry we got married. 298 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:36,598 After 40 minutes? Let's give it a couple of hours first. 299 00:19:36,681 --> 00:19:40,598 Paul, if the honeymoon doesn't work out, let's not get divorced, 300 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,222 let's kill each other. 301 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,639 Let's have one of the maids do it. 302 00:19:43,723 --> 00:19:45,347 I hear the service here is wonderful. 303 00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:52,264 Sometimes you just find yourself in sync, 304 00:19:52,347 --> 00:19:54,264 and that happened from the very beginning with Jane. 305 00:19:54,347 --> 00:19:55,639 There was just something that, 306 00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:58,347 that naturally developed between us. 307 00:19:59,055 --> 00:20:01,598 There was a chemistry that just was there, 308 00:20:01,681 --> 00:20:03,431 and it was also fun. 309 00:20:05,431 --> 00:20:07,639 She saw the humor in things, 310 00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:09,472 but at the same time, 311 00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:12,764 she shared her insecurities and her doubts. 312 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,848 In our friendship, we've been very honest with each other 313 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:20,222 about our angers, our frustrations. 314 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:25,014 And, at a certain point, Jane just had an instinct that said, 315 00:20:25,097 --> 00:20:28,264 "Down deep, there's something missing." 316 00:20:30,055 --> 00:20:32,180 A lot of other people were defining me, 317 00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:34,472 all of them men. 318 00:20:34,556 --> 00:20:37,639 I never felt real. 319 00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:43,014 I just thought, "I've got to get out from under my father's shadow. 320 00:20:43,097 --> 00:20:47,306 "Maybe if I go to France during the new wave period, 321 00:20:47,389 --> 00:20:49,514 "I will... 322 00:20:49,598 --> 00:20:51,514 find who I really am." 323 00:20:51,598 --> 00:20:56,389 I was always in search of some per-- somebody that was real in there. 324 00:22:25,014 --> 00:22:27,639 One night, when I first arrived in Paris, 325 00:22:27,723 --> 00:22:31,556 I was at Maxim's with a group of actors, 326 00:22:32,389 --> 00:22:35,848 and Roger Vadim walked in. 327 00:22:36,431 --> 00:22:39,014 I knew that he had a reputation. 328 00:22:39,097 --> 00:22:43,431 He had been married to Brigitte Bardot and he'd had a child with Catherine Deneuve. 329 00:22:43,514 --> 00:22:47,764 He had already directed And God Created Woman. 330 00:22:47,848 --> 00:22:50,014 He was a rock star. 331 00:22:51,097 --> 00:22:53,681 He walked in, and I immediately felt 332 00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,306 endangered. 333 00:22:55,389 --> 00:22:57,514 He felt predatory, 334 00:22:57,598 --> 00:22:59,764 but charming, 335 00:22:59,848 --> 00:23:01,639 sexy. 336 00:23:06,723 --> 00:23:09,972 I promised myself, "I will never make a movie 337 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,139 with Roger Vadim." 338 00:23:30,055 --> 00:23:32,806 I was making the Rene Clement movie 339 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,389 called Les Felins . 340 00:23:36,889 --> 00:23:38,472 Why are you looking at me like that? 341 00:23:39,889 --> 00:23:42,180 Am I attractive to you? 342 00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:44,014 I had just done a scene 343 00:23:44,097 --> 00:23:47,347 where I'm in a teddy, you know, a little underwear, 344 00:23:47,431 --> 00:23:50,014 and, uh, I-- I got a... 345 00:23:50,097 --> 00:23:53,889 message that Vadim was in the canteen and-- and wanted to see me. 346 00:23:56,306 --> 00:23:59,222 I realized that I was excited to see him. 347 00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:02,723 I threw on my trench coat, 348 00:24:02,806 --> 00:24:04,723 and as I ran into the canteen, 349 00:24:04,806 --> 00:24:08,222 the trench coat blew open. 350 00:24:10,848 --> 00:24:14,139 And that night, we went back to my hotel. 351 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:18,097 He didn't speak very good English. 352 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:21,389 Maybe if he had, I'd never have married him. 353 00:24:24,514 --> 00:24:27,180 You know, Vadim's so charismatic, 354 00:24:27,264 --> 00:24:30,806 so utterly seductive and charming. 355 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:35,264 You walked down the Champs-Élysées with Vadim, 356 00:24:35,347 --> 00:24:37,097 it was like walking down the street with Robert Redford. 357 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,097 I mean, people would like... 358 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:41,848 They'd freak and ask for his autograph, and... 359 00:24:42,347 --> 00:24:47,139 Our life together was heady and, um, slightly hedonistic. 360 00:24:50,681 --> 00:24:53,264 But then there was this old shoe quality to him, 361 00:24:53,347 --> 00:24:55,389 it was this comfortable part of him. 362 00:24:55,472 --> 00:24:57,014 Nathalie! 363 00:24:57,514 --> 00:25:00,556 He'd cross town to see his daughter every day. 364 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:02,556 Aww. 365 00:25:03,972 --> 00:25:05,222 Oh. 366 00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:11,055 Jane came into my life when I was three. 367 00:25:11,139 --> 00:25:13,222 She looked very young, I remember that. 368 00:25:13,306 --> 00:25:14,681 Younger than she was. 369 00:25:15,389 --> 00:25:18,306 I would see my biological mother rarely. 370 00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:21,097 And Jane was always there. 371 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:24,222 And so I became really close to her. 372 00:25:25,431 --> 00:25:28,556 She became my surrogate mother, basically, 373 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:32,389 and the person who-- who raised me. 374 00:25:34,055 --> 00:25:38,014 We moved into a farmhouse that I bought outside of Paris. 375 00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:41,431 There was something so appealing to me 376 00:25:41,514 --> 00:25:44,055 about putting down roots. 377 00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:46,681 I saw myself 378 00:25:46,764 --> 00:25:49,097 being married and having a family 379 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:50,848 and living in France. 380 00:25:52,556 --> 00:25:53,930 Well, 381 00:25:54,014 --> 00:25:58,055 Vadim was so full of contradictions. 382 00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:01,598 There were a lot of issues that I just chose not to see. 383 00:26:04,222 --> 00:26:07,723 I didn't know what compulsive gambling was or alcoholism. 384 00:26:08,972 --> 00:26:12,972 If I would complain, he would call me bourgeois. 385 00:26:13,764 --> 00:26:17,180 Oh my God... forbid that you would ever be worried about money 386 00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:20,306 or complain about money or complain about 387 00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:23,264 extramarital affairs or anything like that. 388 00:26:24,097 --> 00:26:28,180 When she finds an interest, she's focused on it. 389 00:26:28,264 --> 00:26:32,389 At that point, that interest was Vadim, so... 390 00:26:32,472 --> 00:26:34,598 she became what Vadim wanted. 391 00:26:35,264 --> 00:26:37,639 Does he know you that well, Jane? 392 00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:40,431 I think he, he knows me better than I know me. 393 00:26:41,972 --> 00:26:45,848 Actresses are usually quite... dumb. 394 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:49,389 We're really quite stupid about what we think we can do well. 395 00:26:49,472 --> 00:26:51,764 And it's the director that comes along 396 00:26:51,848 --> 00:26:54,014 and makes us use muscles we've never used before. 397 00:26:54,097 --> 00:26:56,889 Vadim... does that all the time. 398 00:26:56,972 --> 00:26:59,930 I would say, "I can't do that, I-- I can't play that scene." 399 00:27:00,014 --> 00:27:03,848 And he'd make me do it, and they'd be the good scenes. 400 00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:07,889 Here I was, trying to not be defined by men, 401 00:27:07,972 --> 00:27:11,222 ended up with a man who was the ultimate 402 00:27:11,306 --> 00:27:14,472 definer of femininity. 403 00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:18,097 That's where I was at that time. 404 00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,639 I wanted someone to mold me. 405 00:27:22,681 --> 00:27:24,139 I wanted him... 406 00:27:24,222 --> 00:27:27,556 to help me become a woman. 407 00:27:33,055 --> 00:27:38,389 Dino De Laurentiis sent me the very famous French comic book called, Barbarella. 408 00:27:38,472 --> 00:27:41,639 He wanted to make a movie, and would I play Barbarella. 409 00:27:42,681 --> 00:27:46,806 Now, I knew that Bardot had turned it down, Sophia Loren had turned it down, 410 00:27:46,889 --> 00:27:49,889 and I didn't want to do it. 411 00:27:49,972 --> 00:27:52,306 I mean, I look at these pictures, 412 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:55,306 I didn't identify with Barbarella. 413 00:27:55,848 --> 00:27:59,055 Well, Vadim was, I think, 414 00:27:59,139 --> 00:28:03,306 probably the number one science fiction aficionado in the world. 415 00:28:03,389 --> 00:28:08,347 So, when you have a science fiction story that's about sex... 416 00:28:09,389 --> 00:28:13,222 there was no way I was not gonna do this movie, and he was going to direct it. 417 00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:27,180 Vadim wanted the film to open with a space strip tease. 418 00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,139 He took the set 419 00:28:33,222 --> 00:28:35,264 and turned it so that 420 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:38,764 the opening of the set was facing the ceiling of the sound stage. 421 00:28:38,848 --> 00:28:42,972 Then he put a very thick pane of glass over it, 422 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:45,347 and then I laid on top of the glass 423 00:28:45,431 --> 00:28:47,556 like I was floating in space. 424 00:28:48,556 --> 00:28:51,972 ♪ Barbarella psychedella ♪ 425 00:28:52,055 --> 00:28:55,556 ♪ Barbarella psychedella ♪ 426 00:28:55,639 --> 00:29:00,972 ♪ Never can a fella name or call you ♪ 427 00:29:01,055 --> 00:29:03,180 ♪ Barbarella Ba-ba-ba... ♪ 428 00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:05,431 And then I had to be naked. 429 00:29:06,972 --> 00:29:10,972 I was drunk. I drank so much vodka to do that. 430 00:29:11,806 --> 00:29:14,806 It was so terrifying for me. 431 00:29:16,264 --> 00:29:18,097 ♪ Ba-Ba-Barbarella! ♪ 432 00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:23,055 And then the next morning, we hear that a bat 433 00:29:23,139 --> 00:29:24,639 had flown... 434 00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:26,389 between me and the camera 435 00:29:26,472 --> 00:29:27,889 that was hanging from the ceiling. 436 00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,681 and spoiled the take and we had to do it again. 437 00:29:30,764 --> 00:29:32,097 Oh, God. 438 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:33,930 So the take that actually got used, 439 00:29:34,014 --> 00:29:36,930 I was not only drunk, I was hungover, too. 440 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:40,806 Are you typical of Earth women? 441 00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:44,264 I'm about average. 442 00:29:48,514 --> 00:29:51,389 When I look at the movie now, I thoroughly enjoy it. 443 00:29:51,472 --> 00:29:54,055 I mean, I think it's just a camp 444 00:29:54,139 --> 00:29:57,222 romp, really. I don't think it's particularly sexy. 445 00:30:02,972 --> 00:30:04,972 I wasn't a questioner. 446 00:30:05,806 --> 00:30:08,723 Superficial can come pretty easy to me. 447 00:30:08,806 --> 00:30:12,180 I mean, it's more convenient. 448 00:30:13,514 --> 00:30:14,848 You know, I spent... 449 00:30:16,014 --> 00:30:19,848 quite a few decades not asking too many questions. 450 00:30:28,347 --> 00:30:29,930 There was a time when 451 00:30:30,014 --> 00:30:31,806 I believed so strongly 452 00:30:31,889 --> 00:30:34,598 that if American soldiers were fighting somewhere, 453 00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:37,431 we had to be on the side of the angels. 454 00:30:37,514 --> 00:30:41,306 It was inconceivable to me that it could be otherwise. 455 00:30:42,806 --> 00:30:45,097 My father had fought in the Second World War. 456 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:47,889 He was so proud of it, I understood that. 457 00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:53,930 I mean, I was Miss Army Recruiter in 1959. 458 00:30:58,514 --> 00:31:01,889 I remember in 1964, 459 00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:05,139 Vadim and I were in St. Tropez. 460 00:31:05,222 --> 00:31:07,681 He picked up the paper, and the headlines 461 00:31:07,764 --> 00:31:12,723 were talking about how Congress had passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. 462 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:18,097 Vadim erupted, 463 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,972 my non-political husband. 464 00:31:23,556 --> 00:31:27,222 "What are they doing? There is no way they can win that war." 465 00:31:28,556 --> 00:31:31,055 "Your Congress is out of its mind." 466 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:35,180 And I'm thinking, "Sour grapes. Just 'cause you guys didn't win, 467 00:31:35,264 --> 00:31:39,055 the French, when you fought the Vietnamese." You know? 468 00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:42,848 That was how... little I knew. 469 00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:51,306 I had grown very close to Simone Signoret. 470 00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:54,972 She was one of the top French movie stars. 471 00:31:55,806 --> 00:31:57,806 And she had become an activist. 472 00:31:58,431 --> 00:32:02,014 Artists, writers, poets, philosophers 473 00:32:02,097 --> 00:32:05,264 were at the forefront of activism. 474 00:32:05,972 --> 00:32:07,723 Simone de Beauvoir, 475 00:32:07,806 --> 00:32:09,598 Jean Paul Sartre. 476 00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,556 I didn't really move in those circles 477 00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:15,848 with the exception of Simone Signoret. 478 00:32:16,972 --> 00:32:18,514 She kind of... 479 00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:21,347 opened the door a crack for me. 480 00:32:21,764 --> 00:32:23,889 But, you know, I remember thinking, 481 00:32:23,972 --> 00:32:26,764 "I'm not as smart as she thinks I am." 482 00:32:29,097 --> 00:32:30,681 1968. 483 00:32:32,139 --> 00:32:34,306 I was pregnant. 484 00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:37,514 I think that when a woman is pregnant, 485 00:32:38,806 --> 00:32:42,556 more than ever, she's like a sponge. 486 00:32:42,639 --> 00:32:48,764 Very attuned to and receptive to what's in the ether. 487 00:32:48,848 --> 00:32:51,472 Not just around her, but in the world. 488 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,389 I'm watching on television the Tet Offensive. 489 00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:06,431 I'm looking at newsreel from Chicago. 490 00:33:06,514 --> 00:33:08,723 We are going to gather here 491 00:33:08,806 --> 00:33:10,806 by any means necessary. 492 00:33:11,347 --> 00:33:15,681 The demonstrations, the beatings, the bloodiness. 493 00:33:16,972 --> 00:33:18,514 I thought of Simone. 494 00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:20,556 I drove to her farmhouse 495 00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:22,014 out in the country. 496 00:33:22,472 --> 00:33:24,389 And I remember, she opened the door and she said, 497 00:33:24,472 --> 00:33:26,139 "I've been waiting for you." 498 00:33:26,222 --> 00:33:30,889 She said, "I knew you'd come to talk about the war." 499 00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:46,764 Simone explained to me that, 500 00:33:46,848 --> 00:33:50,264 that the Vietnamese had been fighting for thousands of years, 501 00:33:50,764 --> 00:33:54,389 against the Mongols, against China. 502 00:33:55,347 --> 00:33:57,055 They had always won. 503 00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:01,180 For America to fight a war 504 00:34:01,264 --> 00:34:03,848 thousands and thousands of miles away, 505 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,472 in a country that they didn't understand, 506 00:34:06,556 --> 00:34:08,681 against a people who... 507 00:34:08,764 --> 00:34:11,514 wanted, above all else, independence. 508 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:17,389 There was no way that we could win. 509 00:34:19,598 --> 00:34:22,347 You know, it's funny, suddenly, 510 00:34:22,431 --> 00:34:25,681 I felt, more than I ever had, 511 00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:27,222 American. 512 00:34:28,598 --> 00:34:30,806 It seems completely contradictory, 513 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:32,639 you know, in a few years, 514 00:34:32,723 --> 00:34:34,055 people that didn't like me were saying, 515 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:35,723 "Go back to Hanoi," and all that. 516 00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:39,222 But I felt, "No, no, no, this is... 517 00:34:39,306 --> 00:34:42,222 "We've taken a wrong path. 518 00:34:42,306 --> 00:34:45,014 "I want to be with my people, in my country, 519 00:34:45,097 --> 00:34:47,389 "and try to make this right." 520 00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:53,097 I really, I wanted my life to have meaning. 521 00:34:54,431 --> 00:34:57,306 But I was married, and I was pregnant, and... 522 00:34:57,389 --> 00:35:01,389 Oh my gosh. I don't know what to do. 523 00:35:01,472 --> 00:35:05,055 I said, I just don't know what to do. 524 00:35:05,139 --> 00:35:08,014 She realized that 525 00:35:08,097 --> 00:35:11,180 there was more to life than just being a housewife, actress. 526 00:35:12,014 --> 00:35:14,431 And Vadim, although progressive, 527 00:35:14,514 --> 00:35:19,347 getting involved in politics, and really getting involved, was not his thing. 528 00:35:20,472 --> 00:35:22,389 Vanessa was born... 529 00:35:22,472 --> 00:35:26,389 and it was a very, very, very traumatic birth. 530 00:35:26,472 --> 00:35:29,806 They used forceps, and they tore me. 531 00:35:30,472 --> 00:35:31,889 I hemorrhaged a lot. 532 00:35:31,972 --> 00:35:35,556 I was suffering from postpartum depression. 533 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,723 My milk didn't come... 534 00:35:37,806 --> 00:35:41,264 That bond that's supposed to happen, um, 535 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,306 it just didn't. 536 00:35:43,389 --> 00:35:46,639 I felt like I was the bad mother, 537 00:35:46,723 --> 00:35:49,514 and I was terrified. 538 00:35:50,723 --> 00:35:54,723 It surprised me, this feeling of fear. 539 00:35:56,180 --> 00:36:00,306 And, you know, later on, as I look back on it, I know why. 540 00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:01,889 It was because... 541 00:36:08,347 --> 00:36:10,848 It's hard to talk about. Um... 542 00:36:15,014 --> 00:36:18,598 I always saw my mother as a victim. 543 00:36:18,681 --> 00:36:22,180 Women equals victim. 544 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:25,514 "I am a woman, 545 00:36:25,598 --> 00:36:29,889 I am gonna be damaged, I am gonna be crushed." 546 00:36:33,389 --> 00:36:37,306 My mother was a very complicated woman, 547 00:36:37,389 --> 00:36:41,139 very, very beautiful woman, 548 00:36:41,222 --> 00:36:44,556 but she always seemed sick. 549 00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:48,264 We'd sit in the living room, and she'd hold my hand, 550 00:36:48,347 --> 00:36:52,180 and her hand would be trembling like this. 551 00:36:52,264 --> 00:36:54,139 And... 552 00:36:54,222 --> 00:36:59,139 I didn't want her to feel bad so I would make my hand tremble, too. 553 00:36:59,222 --> 00:37:02,306 I mean, it was-- it was hard to figure out 554 00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:04,598 what was happening with her. 555 00:37:08,139 --> 00:37:10,681 Poor mom. 556 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:15,347 I think my father was not the person she ever should have married. 557 00:37:15,431 --> 00:37:17,389 He was not kind to her. 558 00:37:18,389 --> 00:37:21,972 My father went to Broadway to do Mr. Roberts. 559 00:37:22,889 --> 00:37:26,014 And so we moved to Connecticut. 560 00:37:26,097 --> 00:37:28,972 My mother... that was where her mental health 561 00:37:29,055 --> 00:37:31,598 was really deteriorating. 562 00:37:32,472 --> 00:37:34,972 I didn't know it at the time, 563 00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:37,972 but the sister of the stage manager 564 00:37:38,806 --> 00:37:41,681 was seven years older than me, 565 00:37:41,764 --> 00:37:45,139 and my father had fallen in love with her. 566 00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:50,097 It was a difficult time for my mother, obviously. 567 00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:54,306 I remember sitting at dinner... 568 00:37:55,472 --> 00:37:58,180 We ate Spam, 569 00:37:58,264 --> 00:37:59,930 not all the time, 570 00:38:00,014 --> 00:38:03,889 but occasionally, it would be canned fruit and Spam. 571 00:38:03,972 --> 00:38:05,180 Very weird. 572 00:38:06,472 --> 00:38:08,431 And sitting at the table, 573 00:38:08,514 --> 00:38:10,681 I looked down and my mother was-- 574 00:38:10,764 --> 00:38:13,556 there were tears pouring down her face 575 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,556 onto her dinner plate. 576 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,848 And my grandmother was here, and my brother-- and no one said a word. 577 00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:26,889 And I remember, one afternoon her 578 00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,681 being taken to a hospital. 579 00:38:31,514 --> 00:38:33,472 The last time she came home, 580 00:38:33,556 --> 00:38:36,097 she has convinced the people at the institution 581 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,306 that she was getting well and they let her come home, 582 00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:40,889 with a nurse accompanying her. 583 00:38:40,972 --> 00:38:44,139 My brother and I had been upstairs playing jacks. 584 00:38:44,806 --> 00:38:46,723 Grandma called for us to come down, 585 00:38:46,806 --> 00:38:48,180 and I wouldn't go. 586 00:38:49,139 --> 00:38:52,264 I said to Peter, "You go and I'll let you win, 587 00:38:52,347 --> 00:38:54,139 if you go down, I'm not going." 588 00:38:56,806 --> 00:38:58,639 I never saw her again. 589 00:39:00,139 --> 00:39:04,598 That was the day she snuck a razor out of the house, 590 00:39:04,681 --> 00:39:07,139 and then killed herself. 591 00:39:11,347 --> 00:39:13,139 I came home from school one day, 592 00:39:13,222 --> 00:39:15,972 my father and my grandmother were sitting in the living room, 593 00:39:16,055 --> 00:39:17,598 and they sat me down, and they said, 594 00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:20,389 "Your mother died of a heart attack." 595 00:39:22,264 --> 00:39:24,806 I could hear Peter crying. 596 00:39:24,889 --> 00:39:28,639 And I kept thinking, "Why can't I cry?" I never cried. 597 00:39:28,723 --> 00:39:31,598 I never cried, I sat on the edge of my bed 598 00:39:31,681 --> 00:39:33,389 thinking, "What's the matter with me?" 599 00:39:34,556 --> 00:39:36,139 And people would say, 600 00:39:36,222 --> 00:39:39,139 "God, Jane isn't she amazing? 601 00:39:39,222 --> 00:39:42,306 "She's so strong." 602 00:39:42,389 --> 00:39:47,306 So it was like approbation for keeping it all in. 603 00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:49,681 And that became my modus operandi. 604 00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,681 Um... 605 00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:56,723 it was very hard for me to ever be able to kinda do away 606 00:39:56,806 --> 00:39:58,848 with that. It took a long, long time. 607 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:00,180 Um... 608 00:40:00,264 --> 00:40:02,806 Did you notice, uh, or observe 609 00:40:02,889 --> 00:40:06,014 how your father reacted to your mother's death? 610 00:40:06,097 --> 00:40:08,347 Well, dad came out and he dropped the news, 611 00:40:08,431 --> 00:40:11,681 and then went back to New York and did his play. 612 00:40:11,764 --> 00:40:12,723 Um... 613 00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:14,639 that was dad. 614 00:40:14,723 --> 00:40:16,806 The show must go on. 615 00:40:24,264 --> 00:40:27,848 My father took me to Union Station, 616 00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:29,389 with my suitcase, 617 00:40:29,472 --> 00:40:32,806 and put me on the train to boarding school. 618 00:40:34,848 --> 00:40:37,556 He was newly married. 619 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,556 He was in a play on Broadway, and... 620 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,848 making films in the summer. I mean, it was obvious 621 00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:46,180 that Peter and I couldn't continue living at home with him. 622 00:40:48,431 --> 00:40:51,972 Nobody had ever talked to us about what had happened with my mother. 623 00:40:53,472 --> 00:40:57,055 I found out because of a movie magazine. 624 00:40:57,139 --> 00:41:02,889 And it said, "Henry Fonda's ex-wife, Frances de Villers Fonda, 625 00:41:02,972 --> 00:41:06,930 "cut her throat with a razor at the Riggs Institute," and... 626 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:16,764 It was an awkward situation on a lot of different levels. 627 00:41:16,848 --> 00:41:20,764 And, to my dad, boarding school was getting us 628 00:41:20,848 --> 00:41:22,306 into a safe place, 629 00:41:22,389 --> 00:41:25,264 and it was also getting us out of his hair. 630 00:41:54,222 --> 00:41:56,389 It was like a haven. 631 00:41:56,472 --> 00:42:01,180 It was a-- it was the steady thing in my life. It was the core of my life. 632 00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,848 I became very aware 633 00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:08,681 of the fact that I was really different, 634 00:42:08,764 --> 00:42:11,848 not just because my father was famous. 635 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,723 We just lived differently. 636 00:42:18,723 --> 00:42:22,139 There was no... continuity. 637 00:42:22,222 --> 00:42:24,431 Susan was his third wife, 638 00:42:24,514 --> 00:42:26,598 he would have two more after that. 639 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:30,431 I didn't have a community of friends 640 00:42:30,514 --> 00:42:33,180 that I had gone to school with before I came here. 641 00:42:33,264 --> 00:42:36,055 My friends were the friends that I made here. 642 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:39,598 I loved it. 643 00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:43,472 I loved biology. 644 00:42:43,556 --> 00:42:44,806 I also loved history. 645 00:42:44,889 --> 00:42:47,139 I loved the Roman and Greek history. 646 00:42:48,431 --> 00:42:50,306 That's how I got into bulimia, 647 00:42:50,389 --> 00:42:54,723 learning about how the Romans would gorge themselves and then... 648 00:42:55,764 --> 00:42:57,014 I had a roommate, 649 00:42:57,097 --> 00:42:58,556 Carol Bentley. 650 00:42:59,598 --> 00:43:02,097 Carol taught me to do this. 651 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:04,806 And of course... 652 00:43:04,889 --> 00:43:07,139 you know, we didn't realize... 653 00:43:07,222 --> 00:43:10,180 what we were starting, we didn't realize how-- 654 00:43:10,264 --> 00:43:13,222 how dangerous it was, and how addictive, 655 00:43:13,306 --> 00:43:16,514 and how it would affect so much of our lives. 656 00:43:16,598 --> 00:43:17,972 But it's-- it started here. 657 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,514 You never told anybody that you were... 658 00:43:22,598 --> 00:43:24,055 doing this. 659 00:43:24,139 --> 00:43:26,723 I thought it was just her and me and the Romans. 660 00:43:26,806 --> 00:43:29,306 It never occurred to me that anybody else did it. 661 00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:36,222 Mothers are often blamed for that, but for me, 662 00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:38,472 it was-- it was my dad. 663 00:43:40,264 --> 00:43:41,556 I made him ashamed. 664 00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,431 He thought I was fat... 665 00:43:45,139 --> 00:43:48,389 because I didn't look the way he wanted me to look. 666 00:43:48,472 --> 00:43:50,598 I knew that he didn't want me around, 667 00:43:50,681 --> 00:43:52,264 or that I embarrassed him, 668 00:43:52,347 --> 00:43:55,264 and, I mean, he told people that. 669 00:43:55,347 --> 00:43:58,264 I heard my father say things about my body 670 00:43:58,347 --> 00:44:02,306 that has twisted my life in deep ways ever since. 671 00:44:04,014 --> 00:44:09,097 And, by the way, most of his wives suffered from eating disorders, 672 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:10,972 including my mother. 673 00:44:12,222 --> 00:44:16,222 So the shadow of my mother's suicide, 674 00:44:16,306 --> 00:44:20,222 which happened a year before I went to Emma Willard, 675 00:44:20,306 --> 00:44:22,514 was never far away. 676 00:44:35,848 --> 00:44:38,139 I'm gonna get off this merry-go-round. 677 00:44:40,014 --> 00:44:42,889 I'm so sick of the whole stinkin' thing. 678 00:44:46,347 --> 00:44:47,431 What thing? 679 00:44:49,889 --> 00:44:51,598 Life. 680 00:45:02,556 --> 00:45:06,930 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was the first time I had ever made a movie that... 681 00:45:07,014 --> 00:45:10,306 was about something. 682 00:45:10,389 --> 00:45:12,472 It's a metaphor, in a way, 683 00:45:12,556 --> 00:45:14,306 for... 684 00:45:14,389 --> 00:45:17,014 American society, greed. 685 00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:20,472 And the desperation of people who don't 686 00:45:20,556 --> 00:45:22,180 have money and privilege. 687 00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:26,389 During the Depression, 688 00:45:26,472 --> 00:45:28,848 people would go to these dance marathons 689 00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:31,139 to try to win all kinds of prizes. 690 00:45:31,222 --> 00:45:34,097 And they would dance without stopping for weeks. 691 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,972 These wonderful kids deserve your cheers 692 00:45:39,055 --> 00:45:40,389 because each one of them 693 00:45:40,472 --> 00:45:44,180 is fighting down pain, exhaustion, weariness, 694 00:45:44,264 --> 00:45:47,514 struggling to keep going, battling to win. 695 00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:50,389 And isn't that the American way? 696 00:45:56,764 --> 00:45:58,347 Before we started shooting, 697 00:45:58,431 --> 00:46:00,681 Sydney Pollack called me. 698 00:46:00,764 --> 00:46:02,723 I didn't know who he was. 699 00:46:02,806 --> 00:46:05,848 He'd made, maybe, one other movie. 700 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:09,848 And I'll never forget it, he said, "You know, what do you think of the script? 701 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:12,889 "Tell me what you think we've left out. 702 00:46:12,972 --> 00:46:15,556 "Let me know if you think there's something important." 703 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,930 Well, I mean, no director had-- including my husband, 704 00:46:19,014 --> 00:46:20,723 who directed me in several movies-- 705 00:46:20,806 --> 00:46:24,930 had ever... talked to me that way, 706 00:46:25,014 --> 00:46:28,347 asked my opinion about things that were profound. 707 00:46:28,431 --> 00:46:33,347 I always had this sense that she was... 708 00:46:33,431 --> 00:46:35,222 a serious actress 709 00:46:35,306 --> 00:46:37,723 buried inside this glamour-puss. 710 00:46:37,806 --> 00:46:39,681 Work, work, work! 711 00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:41,723 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was a much darker film, 712 00:46:41,806 --> 00:46:45,889 and asked her to go to a different place in herself. 713 00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:47,514 And she was great in the role. 714 00:46:47,598 --> 00:46:52,139 There's not a shred of vanity in the performance. 715 00:46:52,222 --> 00:46:54,889 Syndey made me feel seen, 716 00:46:54,972 --> 00:46:56,514 and of worth. 717 00:46:57,556 --> 00:47:00,055 And so I thought, "Yeah, I'm gonna go there." 718 00:47:01,306 --> 00:47:03,431 I threw myself into the character 719 00:47:03,514 --> 00:47:05,598 the way I never had before. 720 00:47:07,972 --> 00:47:09,930 I lived at the studio. 721 00:47:10,014 --> 00:47:13,930 I looked at paintings and pictures of crazy people. 722 00:47:14,014 --> 00:47:17,514 I wrapped myself in a cocoon of darkness. 723 00:47:18,347 --> 00:47:23,097 I had a... six-month-old child and a husband. 724 00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:28,139 But I just didn't have the technique yet where I could go 725 00:47:28,222 --> 00:47:32,264 as far down the dark hole as I possibly could, 726 00:47:32,347 --> 00:47:34,389 and be a wife and mother. 727 00:47:35,389 --> 00:47:37,598 I had to stay in the dark hole. 728 00:47:39,723 --> 00:47:42,930 The presence of my mother was with me. 729 00:47:43,723 --> 00:47:47,598 I had to get myself to a point 730 00:47:47,681 --> 00:47:51,389 where I really felt... "Why go on? 731 00:47:53,222 --> 00:47:56,556 There's absolutely no point." 732 00:48:05,556 --> 00:48:06,681 Now? 733 00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:09,389 Now. 734 00:48:22,389 --> 00:48:23,889 Then, something shifted. 735 00:48:26,556 --> 00:48:31,389 My wig from They Shoot Horses comes off, 736 00:48:31,472 --> 00:48:35,681 I've got this long, still-Barbarella-esque hair, 737 00:48:35,764 --> 00:48:39,972 and I just thought, "This is not me anymore." 738 00:48:41,806 --> 00:48:44,306 I had my first hair epiphany. 739 00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:49,472 Someone said my hair needed its own agent. 740 00:48:51,097 --> 00:48:53,764 And I went to Vadim's barber, Paul McGregor, 741 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:57,806 who had a salon in Greenwich Village, 742 00:48:58,806 --> 00:49:01,389 and I said, "Do something. 743 00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:02,848 Cut if off." 744 00:49:05,806 --> 00:49:09,097 And he gave me what has become known as the Klute hairdo. 745 00:49:16,139 --> 00:49:20,222 I was very conflicted about whether it was a good idea to be playing a hooker. 746 00:49:24,097 --> 00:49:25,930 Before we started shooting, 747 00:49:26,014 --> 00:49:29,306 I came to New York and spent a week with call girls and madams, 748 00:49:30,347 --> 00:49:34,014 really in the bowels of that dark world. 749 00:49:35,598 --> 00:49:38,055 There was a hardness 750 00:49:38,139 --> 00:49:40,681 to them that was painful to watch. 751 00:49:41,556 --> 00:49:46,097 Not one pimp looked at me twice, 752 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:47,930 didn't even wink at me. 753 00:49:48,014 --> 00:49:51,598 And what that said to me was, it played right to my insecurities, 754 00:49:51,681 --> 00:49:53,097 "They know... 755 00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:57,889 I'm just an upper-class, privileged pretender." 756 00:49:58,681 --> 00:50:01,472 And that's what motivated me to say to Alan Pakula, 757 00:50:01,556 --> 00:50:04,598 "I just-- I don't-- I don't know if I can play this character. 758 00:50:04,681 --> 00:50:06,848 And you should hire Faye Dunaway." 759 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,806 She came up to me and she said, "Alan, I want out. 760 00:50:09,889 --> 00:50:11,681 I don't know what I'm doing." 761 00:50:12,347 --> 00:50:14,264 And "I just think I'm wrong for this. 762 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:16,306 I think it's not gonna work." 763 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,264 Get somebody else." 764 00:50:21,598 --> 00:50:23,472 And I said, "I'm not letting you out." 765 00:50:25,431 --> 00:50:27,139 There was no way I would have done that picture without Jane. 766 00:50:27,222 --> 00:50:30,472 Jane is a fascinating combination 767 00:50:30,556 --> 00:50:32,639 of a woman who has great courage, 768 00:50:32,723 --> 00:50:35,472 great strength, and at the same time, 769 00:50:35,556 --> 00:50:39,014 had been used to being-- like maybe attracted to being controlled 770 00:50:39,097 --> 00:50:41,180 by somebody else. 771 00:50:41,264 --> 00:50:44,431 And I thought, where Jane was in her life then, 772 00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:47,306 in a very transition time, was absolutely right 773 00:50:47,389 --> 00:50:50,681 for this character of a woman who's trying to change her life. 774 00:50:52,389 --> 00:50:54,347 I brought something different to Klute 775 00:50:54,431 --> 00:50:56,806 than I had before. 776 00:50:56,889 --> 00:50:58,764 She was wounded. 777 00:50:58,848 --> 00:51:00,848 There was no ability to trust anymore, 778 00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:03,972 that was what was so hard for her. 779 00:51:04,055 --> 00:51:08,222 Once I began to kind of marinate in that feeling, 780 00:51:08,306 --> 00:51:12,347 I could, um... then I could play her. 781 00:51:15,222 --> 00:51:17,347 What's the difference between going out on a call 782 00:51:17,431 --> 00:51:19,389 as a model or as an actress or as a call girl? 783 00:51:19,472 --> 00:51:21,514 You're successful as a call girl, you're not suc-- 784 00:51:21,598 --> 00:51:24,055 Because when you're a call girl, you control it, that's why. 785 00:51:24,139 --> 00:51:27,723 I said to Alan, "Can we shoot all those psychiatrist's scenes 786 00:51:27,806 --> 00:51:29,639 "at the very, very end... 787 00:51:31,764 --> 00:51:34,889 when I've internalized her the most completely?" 788 00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:37,222 Nothing was written. 789 00:51:37,306 --> 00:51:40,347 I hadn't prepared anything in particular. 790 00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:43,180 I just wanted to be present in the moment, 791 00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:45,347 and let whatever happened happen. 792 00:51:45,431 --> 00:51:48,347 I just started improvising. 793 00:51:48,431 --> 00:51:50,139 And for an hour... 794 00:51:52,306 --> 00:51:54,014 For an hour, I'm the best actress in the world 795 00:51:54,097 --> 00:51:56,431 and the best fuck in the world, and... 796 00:51:57,347 --> 00:51:58,764 you don't have to feel anything, 797 00:51:58,848 --> 00:52:00,848 you don't have to care about anything, 798 00:52:00,930 --> 00:52:03,556 you don't have to like anybody... 799 00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,764 That came from a new place in me. 800 00:52:06,848 --> 00:52:10,222 That's when I realized that anyone can change 801 00:52:10,306 --> 00:52:12,389 and become fierce. 802 00:52:26,472 --> 00:52:30,639 Jane Fonda, you've been taking your public by surprise recently. 803 00:52:30,723 --> 00:52:35,014 Instead of being pictured on the beaches of St. Tropez, you've been pictured 804 00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:39,097 invading Army camps and getting yourself arrested. 805 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:42,472 From where I am, it looks like a different Jane Fonda. 806 00:52:42,556 --> 00:52:45,014 Oh, I think you're right. I think I am different. 807 00:52:46,055 --> 00:52:49,264 Roger Vadim is French, a director of motion pictures, 808 00:52:49,347 --> 00:52:51,639 and the husband of Jane Fonda. 809 00:52:51,723 --> 00:52:54,431 Ms. Fonda is quite active in the peace movement, 810 00:52:54,514 --> 00:52:57,764 the civil rights field, efforts to aid Mexican-Americans, 811 00:52:57,848 --> 00:53:00,389 American-Indians, and dissident soldiers. 812 00:53:00,472 --> 00:53:02,889 Vadim says, "Ms. Fonda is happy, very happy. 813 00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:05,264 "But said she decided," as he put it, 814 00:53:05,347 --> 00:53:09,180 "To take on the sins of her country, she has lost her sense of humor." 815 00:53:09,264 --> 00:53:10,764 As a case in point, 816 00:53:10,848 --> 00:53:13,264 he reported that one day, recently, he called her 817 00:53:13,347 --> 00:53:14,681 "Jane of Arc." 818 00:53:14,764 --> 00:53:16,514 He says, she didn't laugh at all. 819 00:53:18,347 --> 00:53:20,930 I knew that I was gonna have to leave Vadim, 820 00:53:21,014 --> 00:53:25,639 and that whole hedonistic relationship. 821 00:53:25,723 --> 00:53:29,514 And I think it was deeply confusing for him 822 00:53:29,598 --> 00:53:32,806 to have a wife that he cared for leave him-- 823 00:53:32,889 --> 00:53:35,848 not for another man, but for an idea. 824 00:53:38,723 --> 00:53:42,014 She tends to move on from things. 825 00:53:42,889 --> 00:53:45,972 You know, you don't really realize how you affect people when you do that. 826 00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:48,180 It's like, "Oh, okay, now I'm done with this, 827 00:53:48,264 --> 00:53:51,598 therefore I'm gonna make new friends, and it's gonna be a new life." 828 00:53:52,472 --> 00:53:54,514 You know, and we got left behind. 829 00:53:58,139 --> 00:54:00,556 I came back from France 830 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,014 and I moved into my father's house. 831 00:54:03,097 --> 00:54:06,723 And I began to... become an activist. 832 00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:11,347 And my father could look from the upstairs window 833 00:54:11,431 --> 00:54:14,347 down onto the courtyard and see 834 00:54:14,431 --> 00:54:18,347 the leadership of the Black Panther Party going in and out, 835 00:54:18,431 --> 00:54:21,180 and he said to me, "If I find out 836 00:54:21,264 --> 00:54:24,681 you are a Communist, I'm gonna turn you in!" 837 00:54:24,764 --> 00:54:29,264 And I remember running to my room, I was still living with him, 838 00:54:29,347 --> 00:54:31,764 and just pulling the covers over my head. 839 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:34,848 It came out of a fear, for me 840 00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:38,306 I understand that now, but it was so hurtful then. 841 00:54:39,472 --> 00:54:43,389 If you were good young people, you would be fitting yourself 842 00:54:43,472 --> 00:54:45,848 into a scenario that has been laid out for all of us, 843 00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:49,055 a nice, set scenario to fit us into the American way of life. 844 00:54:49,139 --> 00:54:51,264 And it says that you must conduct yourselves 845 00:54:51,347 --> 00:54:55,222 in the manner that meets the approval and standards of the people in power. 846 00:54:55,306 --> 00:54:58,097 It's called making it on your own. 847 00:54:58,180 --> 00:55:00,723 ♪ Well, come on, all of you big strong men ♪ 848 00:55:00,806 --> 00:55:02,889 ♪ Uncle Sam needs your help again ♪ 849 00:55:02,972 --> 00:55:05,097 ♪ Got himself in a terrible jam ♪ 850 00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:07,389 ♪ Way down yonder in Viet-nam ♪ 851 00:55:07,472 --> 00:55:09,556 ♪ Put down your books and pick up a gun ♪ 852 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,598 ♪ We're gonna have a whole lotta fun ♪ 853 00:55:11,681 --> 00:55:15,723 ♪ And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for? ♪ 854 00:55:15,806 --> 00:55:19,055 There was so much catching up to do about Vietnam 855 00:55:19,139 --> 00:55:22,055 and about Native Americans 856 00:55:22,139 --> 00:55:24,930 and about what was happening to black people, 857 00:55:25,014 --> 00:55:26,598 the Black Panthers. 858 00:55:26,681 --> 00:55:29,806 How could I have reached the age of 32 859 00:55:29,889 --> 00:55:32,014 in such ignorance? 860 00:55:33,222 --> 00:55:34,598 I felt so guilty, 861 00:55:34,681 --> 00:55:37,097 and I just felt like I had to, kind of, 862 00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:39,848 all of a sudden become an overnight... 863 00:55:42,139 --> 00:55:43,806 righteous activist. 864 00:55:43,889 --> 00:55:46,431 ♪ Well, there ain't no time to wonder why ♪ 865 00:55:46,514 --> 00:55:48,764 ♪ Whoopee, we're all gonna die ♪ 866 00:55:48,848 --> 00:55:50,723 All right! 867 00:55:50,806 --> 00:55:52,848 It's generally acknowledged that 868 00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:55,889 new people who join the movement become zealots. 869 00:55:57,556 --> 00:55:59,972 You know, they're like converts, you know. 870 00:56:00,055 --> 00:56:01,306 And I think that Jane is convinced 871 00:56:01,389 --> 00:56:04,306 that she is going to stop the war in Vietnam, 872 00:56:04,389 --> 00:56:06,180 and that she knows what is best 873 00:56:06,264 --> 00:56:07,472 and how to do it. 874 00:56:07,556 --> 00:56:08,639 I think people felt 875 00:56:08,723 --> 00:56:10,598 very suspicious about my motives. 876 00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:12,556 I would've if I'd been somebody else. 877 00:56:13,556 --> 00:56:17,514 "You are a rich movie star. Why do you care? Why are you... 878 00:56:17,598 --> 00:56:19,014 "involving yourself in this? 879 00:56:19,097 --> 00:56:21,556 And how can I be sure that you're for real?" 880 00:56:23,431 --> 00:56:25,639 I didn't quite know what I was doing, 881 00:56:25,723 --> 00:56:28,681 or how to make proper use of my celebrity. 882 00:56:28,764 --> 00:56:31,514 So much had happened so quickly. 883 00:56:35,431 --> 00:56:38,723 I was alternately bulimic and anorexic. 884 00:56:38,806 --> 00:56:44,723 I would, maybe, eat one soft-boiled egg and spinach a day, period. 885 00:56:45,764 --> 00:56:50,139 I took Dexedrine, which is speed. 886 00:56:51,139 --> 00:56:53,389 So I was really speedy, 887 00:56:53,972 --> 00:56:56,180 and I was starving, 888 00:56:56,264 --> 00:57:00,014 along with, like, getting all of this new... 889 00:57:00,097 --> 00:57:03,306 information coming in at a very rapid pace. 890 00:57:03,764 --> 00:57:07,972 We here today, together with the multitudes across the country 891 00:57:08,055 --> 00:57:11,514 that are joined together in massive protest, 892 00:57:11,598 --> 00:57:15,972 are showing to Richard Nixon that his advisers... 893 00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:19,389 that the silent majority is dead. 894 00:57:20,806 --> 00:57:23,055 I mean, I'm high-strung anyway, 895 00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:25,514 but me on Dexedrine, without eating 896 00:57:25,598 --> 00:57:29,264 and feeling like I have to say everything all at once, it's like... 897 00:57:30,472 --> 00:57:34,014 I'm amazed that anybody could receive what I was saying. 898 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:38,681 It was like, "Wow, who is this woman?" 899 00:57:39,806 --> 00:57:42,889 The winner is Jane Fonda for Klute. 900 00:57:46,347 --> 00:57:49,681 My head was not in Hollywood. 901 00:57:49,764 --> 00:57:54,264 I didn't think very much about my career anymore. 902 00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:56,306 It wasn't where I was at. 903 00:57:57,848 --> 00:58:02,472 I wasn't some privileged person kind of doling out money 904 00:58:02,556 --> 00:58:04,639 and then going about my life. 905 00:58:04,723 --> 00:58:08,972 It was full-time, on-the-ground activism. 906 00:58:10,472 --> 00:58:12,097 I was on the road all the time. 907 00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:16,222 I was identified with different movements, 908 00:58:16,306 --> 00:58:18,806 and my life was very complicated 909 00:58:18,889 --> 00:58:21,764 and very, very busy, and intense. 910 00:58:21,848 --> 00:58:25,472 I do have a tendency to kind of go full bore, 911 00:58:25,556 --> 00:58:28,389 200 percent, for better or worse. 912 00:58:31,848 --> 00:58:33,889 It felt like a betrayal to Vanessa. 913 00:58:38,556 --> 00:58:41,930 One night, I laid her on a towel on the floor to change her diapers, 914 00:58:42,014 --> 00:58:46,472 and she looked very deep into my eyes, 915 00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:50,389 and I could tell that she was saying, "Where are you? 916 00:58:54,097 --> 00:58:55,806 "Where are you? 917 00:58:55,889 --> 00:58:57,848 "Why don't you show up?" 918 00:58:57,930 --> 00:59:00,930 That's what I felt. 919 00:59:01,014 --> 00:59:02,889 And I had to look away. 920 00:59:05,389 --> 00:59:07,556 Isn't that awful? 921 00:59:08,055 --> 00:59:11,180 I was kinda in over my head. 922 00:59:11,264 --> 00:59:13,806 I desperately needed structure, 923 00:59:13,889 --> 00:59:17,306 I desperately needed guidance, 924 00:59:17,389 --> 00:59:18,598 and, uh, 925 00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:21,806 I had always turned to men for that. 926 00:59:23,723 --> 00:59:27,806 We must be unified, must be invincible, 927 00:59:27,889 --> 00:59:31,556 must be strong, must find solidarity, 928 00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,848 must struggle, must have a program, 929 00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:39,723 and must be the rock on which this attempt to impose fascism is shattered. 930 00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:48,347 I was downtown at some theater, 931 00:59:48,431 --> 00:59:52,055 and this guy shows up... Tom Hayden. 932 00:59:53,389 --> 00:59:54,848 We connected a little bit, 933 00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:56,681 and, uh, I could tell 934 00:59:56,764 --> 00:59:59,556 that something was going on between us. 935 00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,389 He was a movement hero. 936 01:00:02,472 --> 01:00:05,055 I was extremely intimidated. 937 01:00:05,139 --> 01:00:07,889 I thought, "Oh, there's just something so impish." 938 01:00:07,972 --> 01:00:10,764 He had a twinkle in his eye. 939 01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:14,055 He put his hand on my knee, 940 01:00:14,139 --> 01:00:19,681 and I felt this electric shock go through my body, 941 01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:24,556 and I came home, and I said-- I had a roommate at the time, Ruby, and I said to her, 942 01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,055 "I think that I've met the man that I'm gonna marry next." 943 01:00:30,806 --> 01:00:35,055 He had been part of the formation of the New Left. 944 01:00:35,139 --> 01:00:37,055 He had been one of the Chicago 7. 945 01:00:37,139 --> 01:00:39,806 He was cofounder of SDS. 946 01:00:41,806 --> 01:00:45,139 I was already an activist when Tom came along. 947 01:00:45,222 --> 01:00:49,097 But he had such experience, he knew 948 01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:52,431 how to help me go down that path, 949 01:00:52,514 --> 01:00:55,347 better and smarter and deeper. 950 01:00:56,681 --> 01:01:00,222 I had been in the peace movement for a long time. 951 01:01:00,306 --> 01:01:04,097 But the first SDS national demonstration, 952 01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:06,598 the largest in American history, 953 01:01:06,681 --> 01:01:09,055 was in 1965. 954 01:01:09,139 --> 01:01:15,431 It was 25,000 people, that would grow by 20-fold in just a few years, 955 01:01:15,514 --> 01:01:17,806 and Jane was involved in all of that. 956 01:01:17,889 --> 01:01:22,723 She had a role in helping with the, uh, GI coffee houses 957 01:01:22,806 --> 01:01:27,431 to share information with the soldiers about their options. 958 01:01:27,514 --> 01:01:31,472 "Where exactly is Vietnam? What exactly could happen to me?" 959 01:01:31,556 --> 01:01:34,014 That sort of thing was very real. 960 01:01:34,097 --> 01:01:37,306 She suggested that she hadn't been thinking, 961 01:01:37,389 --> 01:01:40,264 and that her recommendation was to think. 962 01:01:40,347 --> 01:01:41,472 And they did. 963 01:01:43,431 --> 01:01:45,347 It spread to campuses, 964 01:01:45,431 --> 01:01:49,389 where, eventually, many thousands of young men resisted. 965 01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:54,806 I was drawn by her transformation 966 01:01:54,889 --> 01:01:58,347 from a Hollywood star to a political star. 967 01:02:04,222 --> 01:02:07,389 It's not often that a movie star also gets involved in anything 968 01:02:07,472 --> 01:02:11,806 that might irritate people, and my next guest has certainly taken that chance 969 01:02:11,889 --> 01:02:13,972 and done it to the hilt. 970 01:02:14,055 --> 01:02:17,139 She, as I'm sure you know, recently returned from a trip to North Vietnam. 971 01:02:17,222 --> 01:02:18,848 Will you welcome, please, Jane Fonda. 972 01:02:22,222 --> 01:02:24,681 You really got pasted this time by the press and others 973 01:02:24,764 --> 01:02:27,681 when you came back, as you obviously know. 974 01:02:27,764 --> 01:02:29,972 Would you have done anything differently 975 01:02:30,055 --> 01:02:32,014 if you had it to do over again? 976 01:02:35,431 --> 01:02:37,514 It's a surreal thing to live through-- 977 01:02:37,598 --> 01:02:41,764 what I experienced in the two weeks that I was in North Vietnam. 978 01:02:43,764 --> 01:02:46,055 Flying from Nam Pen to Hanoi, 979 01:02:46,139 --> 01:02:48,472 I look out the window, and I can see 980 01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:50,848 American planes bombing. 981 01:02:51,764 --> 01:02:53,556 Nixon was bringing ground troops home, 982 01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,598 and he was saying that he was ending the war, 983 01:02:55,681 --> 01:02:57,264 when, in fact, it wasn't ending. 984 01:02:57,347 --> 01:03:00,347 It was escalating in terms of bombing of North Vietnam. 985 01:03:16,681 --> 01:03:20,264 We began to get communiqués saying, this is really serious. 986 01:03:20,347 --> 01:03:24,055 It looks like American planes are targeting 987 01:03:24,139 --> 01:03:27,556 the dikes of North Vietnam right before the monsoon season. 988 01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:31,055 If the dikes are weakened and give way, 989 01:03:31,139 --> 01:03:34,681 a million people could drown or die from starvation. 990 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:40,222 I'm always interested, first, in the mechanics of how somebody gets to North Vietnam. 991 01:03:40,306 --> 01:03:43,806 A lot of people say, well, you know, "How come you got to go, 992 01:03:43,889 --> 01:03:47,556 and how do you feel that you have a right to speak about the war?" 993 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:49,972 And I have no more right than anyone else, you know? 994 01:03:50,055 --> 01:03:53,889 Two years ago, I didn't even know where Vietnam was. 995 01:03:53,972 --> 01:04:00,055 Why on earth would she conceive of the idea of going alone... 996 01:04:00,139 --> 01:04:02,264 to Hanoi? 997 01:04:02,347 --> 01:04:04,639 Would she have gone to Berlin 998 01:04:04,723 --> 01:04:08,556 during the middle of the Anschluss? 999 01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,848 She was, maybe, as some would say, searching for something in herself, 1000 01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:17,972 testing herself. "How brave am I? 1001 01:04:18,055 --> 01:04:21,806 Am I not just a flibbertigibbet on the screen?" 1002 01:04:21,889 --> 01:04:24,972 We might need psychiatry to help us with the answer to this. 1003 01:04:25,055 --> 01:04:27,306 I'm not sure. 1004 01:04:27,389 --> 01:04:31,764 It's either brave or foolish, and I think it partook of both. 1005 01:05:05,764 --> 01:05:08,389 Were you trying to get the soldiers 1006 01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:10,681 to disobey their orders? 1007 01:05:10,764 --> 01:05:12,431 No, I-I... 1008 01:05:13,431 --> 01:05:16,514 I knew that you cannot ask a soldier to disobey orders. 1009 01:05:16,598 --> 01:05:18,514 You're not the one that pays the consequences. 1010 01:05:18,598 --> 01:05:20,848 Well, you said, this is direct quotes, 1011 01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:23,180 "I beg you to consider what you are doing. 1012 01:05:23,264 --> 01:05:27,306 "The hospitals are filled with babies and women and old people. 1013 01:05:27,389 --> 01:05:29,681 Can you justify what you are doing?" 1014 01:05:29,764 --> 01:05:34,598 Doesn't that sound like you're asking them to stop what they're doing? 1015 01:05:36,014 --> 01:05:38,556 I'm asking them to consider it. 1016 01:05:41,472 --> 01:05:42,639 And then, in your trip, you were photographed 1017 01:05:42,723 --> 01:05:46,598 behind an aerial gun of the, uh, North Vietnamese, 1018 01:05:46,681 --> 01:05:50,723 if not the Vietcong, I'm not sure. That seemed a bit tactless. 1019 01:05:50,806 --> 01:05:53,889 What were you doing behind an enemy gun? 1020 01:05:53,972 --> 01:05:57,222 I didn't think, at the time, about how it would be, uh, received. 1021 01:05:57,306 --> 01:06:00,972 And I can understand why people were very confused by that. 1022 01:06:01,598 --> 01:06:05,222 The soldiers received me there and sang me a song. 1023 01:06:05,306 --> 01:06:08,222 It was very moving to me because they were expressing the same sentiments 1024 01:06:08,306 --> 01:06:10,556 that American GIs expressed to me. 1025 01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:12,681 And I was applauding their song 1026 01:06:12,764 --> 01:06:15,764 and this was what was shown on American television. 1027 01:06:15,848 --> 01:06:17,139 Yeah, yeah. 1028 01:06:17,222 --> 01:06:19,514 Well, I wondered how you got there. 1029 01:06:21,681 --> 01:06:24,472 I'm--I'm naive and I make mistakes, but... 1030 01:06:24,556 --> 01:06:28,222 it was my fault that I sat there. 1031 01:06:29,514 --> 01:06:32,431 The image of Jane Fonda, 1032 01:06:32,514 --> 01:06:33,972 Barbarella, 1033 01:06:34,055 --> 01:06:35,930 Henry Fonda's daughter 1034 01:06:36,014 --> 01:06:41,139 sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal. 1035 01:06:41,222 --> 01:06:44,139 It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military 1036 01:06:44,222 --> 01:06:46,139 and at-- at the country 1037 01:06:46,222 --> 01:06:48,764 that gave me privilege. 1038 01:06:51,347 --> 01:06:55,014 As I've said many times, I will go to my grave regretting that. 1039 01:06:59,723 --> 01:07:02,097 - I wasn't there. - I might have stopped it. 1040 01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,639 I would not have advised it, but you can't stop the media. 1041 01:07:05,723 --> 01:07:10,014 And so you took this picture and of course it went viral. 1042 01:07:11,055 --> 01:07:16,097 I thought it was a problem of the celebrity spotlight, 1043 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:20,472 when you're used by the media, and blown up by the media, 1044 01:07:20,556 --> 01:07:23,598 you will make a mistake in the media. 1045 01:07:28,681 --> 01:07:30,930 The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine 1046 01:07:31,014 --> 01:07:32,347 whether Ms. Fonda had violated 1047 01:07:32,431 --> 01:07:34,681 sedition, treason or other statutes. 1048 01:07:34,764 --> 01:07:37,806 Distrust movie actors with causes. 1049 01:07:37,889 --> 01:07:41,306 They live in so rarefied an atmosphere of celebrity 1050 01:07:41,389 --> 01:07:45,639 that they have no conception of the ambiguity of right and wrong in real life. 1051 01:07:48,723 --> 01:07:52,472 They needed a very visible person 1052 01:07:52,556 --> 01:07:54,848 who represented the peace movement 1053 01:07:54,930 --> 01:07:58,180 to do something really terrible, 1054 01:07:58,264 --> 01:08:00,681 and that was me. 1055 01:08:13,389 --> 01:08:15,972 The petition we're circulating asks the Justice Department 1056 01:08:16,055 --> 01:08:19,347 to prosecute Jane Fonda to the fullest extent of the law 1057 01:08:19,431 --> 01:08:22,055 for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 1058 01:08:22,139 --> 01:08:24,097 Jane Fonda's an outrageous liar. 1059 01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:26,222 She's a hypocrite and a liar. 1060 01:08:26,306 --> 01:08:28,764 She's the most despicable woman in the United States. 1061 01:08:28,848 --> 01:08:30,889 There are other people in films, too, that we don't ask 1062 01:08:30,972 --> 01:08:33,055 for advice, such as Mickey Mouse or Lassie. 1063 01:08:33,139 --> 01:08:35,347 I don't think she should've done the things that she's done 1064 01:08:35,431 --> 01:08:37,889 and said about our country and come back and lived in the country. 1065 01:08:37,972 --> 01:08:40,848 I don't care if she's a tender, young female, 1066 01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:44,014 a famous movie star, that is treason. 1067 01:08:44,097 --> 01:08:45,889 It's under active investigation. 1068 01:08:45,972 --> 01:08:48,431 They have not yet made a decision as to whether 1069 01:08:48,514 --> 01:08:50,264 to prosecute or not prosecute. 1070 01:08:50,347 --> 01:08:52,389 And of course, they found nothing, 1071 01:08:52,472 --> 01:08:55,389 so the charges of treason have been dropped. 1072 01:08:55,472 --> 01:08:59,723 And they don't understand that I... I came back here because I love America. 1073 01:08:59,806 --> 01:09:02,514 The democratic ideals upon which our country is founded 1074 01:09:02,598 --> 01:09:04,681 is-- are being betrayed. 1075 01:09:05,556 --> 01:09:07,972 - We have an obligation to resist this. I'm sorry, Jane. 1076 01:09:08,055 --> 01:09:11,681 I'm disturbed by your difference between your content and your style. 1077 01:09:12,639 --> 01:09:15,930 I've always liked Jane, and I always admired 1078 01:09:16,014 --> 01:09:17,764 her guts, but I worried about her. 1079 01:09:17,848 --> 01:09:23,472 She was, to use the mildest possible word, hated. 1080 01:09:24,681 --> 01:09:27,431 I mean, you had people in legislatures arguing 1081 01:09:27,514 --> 01:09:30,639 that she should have her tongue cut out and that she should be hung and so on. 1082 01:09:30,723 --> 01:09:34,264 I think, also, part of it was that she was very effective. 1083 01:09:34,347 --> 01:09:38,055 So, she had to be quickly stereotyped and-- and gotten rid of. 1084 01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:44,930 It was McCarthyism recycled under Nixon, 1085 01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:47,848 and they just tried to smear her reputation over and over. 1086 01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:50,347 They would have killed her if they could. 1087 01:09:52,097 --> 01:09:56,014 Nixon, of course, had already advocated bombing the dikes. 1088 01:09:56,097 --> 01:09:58,180 One reason he did not 1089 01:09:58,264 --> 01:10:01,972 is that Jane Fonda was brave enough to stand on those dikes 1090 01:10:02,055 --> 01:10:04,681 and denounce what would happen 1091 01:10:04,764 --> 01:10:09,306 to hundred of thousands of peasants if the dikes were bombed. 1092 01:10:09,389 --> 01:10:12,514 She was willing to be attacked over that. 1093 01:10:13,264 --> 01:10:15,306 I consider Jane Fonda one of the-- 1094 01:10:15,389 --> 01:10:18,639 the most courageous women of our time, probably the most courageous... 1095 01:10:18,723 --> 01:10:21,972 - ...she made a conversion from a life that was so sterile 1096 01:10:22,055 --> 01:10:25,014 and easy to live into a life that's filled 1097 01:10:25,097 --> 01:10:29,222 with harassment and ridicule and requires real courage. 1098 01:10:30,764 --> 01:10:34,139 I'm proud of most of what I did, 1099 01:10:34,222 --> 01:10:37,681 and I'm very sorry for some of what I did. 1100 01:10:42,889 --> 01:10:47,389 In Hanoi, I had met a number of POWs, and we talked, 1101 01:10:47,472 --> 01:10:51,472 about the World Series, primarily, and about some of their experiences. 1102 01:10:53,598 --> 01:10:55,723 But when the POWs came home, 1103 01:10:55,806 --> 01:11:00,306 certain POWs were handpicked to travel around the country 1104 01:11:00,389 --> 01:11:02,972 talking about torture. 1105 01:11:03,055 --> 01:11:05,723 If Ms. Fonda thinks for a minute 1106 01:11:05,806 --> 01:11:10,014 that any of the people that she saw were able to speak freely, 1107 01:11:10,097 --> 01:11:11,930 she's got another thing coming. 1108 01:11:12,014 --> 01:11:14,723 I think coerced is a very mild word. 1109 01:11:14,806 --> 01:11:17,514 I'd use the word tortured, initially. 1110 01:11:17,598 --> 01:11:19,764 I think they're lying, and I think they're not only going to have to live 1111 01:11:19,848 --> 01:11:23,389 with the fact that they were carrying out acts of murder 1112 01:11:23,472 --> 01:11:26,889 for the rest of their lives, they're also going to have to live with the fact 1113 01:11:26,972 --> 01:11:28,764 that they're lying on their consciousness... 1114 01:11:28,848 --> 01:11:32,014 Torture of POWs had ended 1115 01:11:32,097 --> 01:11:35,306 in North Vietnam in 1969. 1116 01:11:35,639 --> 01:11:38,097 Three years before I went there. 1117 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,764 This court finds you guilty 1118 01:11:39,848 --> 01:11:42,556 of the crime of high treason against the United States. 1119 01:11:44,514 --> 01:11:47,848 Jane gave as good as she got when she was... attacked. 1120 01:11:48,681 --> 01:11:52,431 But Jane had a way of making things worse for herself. 1121 01:11:52,514 --> 01:11:54,431 Never before in the history of warfare 1122 01:11:54,514 --> 01:11:57,431 have prisoners of war come back looking like football players. 1123 01:11:57,514 --> 01:12:01,055 Never in the history of war have men come back and been able 1124 01:12:01,139 --> 01:12:03,598 to come off planes, saluting smartly and hug their wives. 1125 01:12:03,681 --> 01:12:05,431 And we should try to help each other understand 1126 01:12:05,514 --> 01:12:07,889 why these men are being used this way. 1127 01:12:07,972 --> 01:12:11,097 Not do ourselves and them the disservice of making them into heroes. 1128 01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:14,431 Why not the legless and armless vets who have come back to welfare? 1129 01:12:14,514 --> 01:12:17,764 Why not all those men who died over there on the ground-- 1130 01:12:19,972 --> 01:12:21,431 Why aren't they heroes? 1131 01:12:21,514 --> 01:12:23,097 You're a gutless little traitor! 1132 01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:35,806 I was so angry that Nixon 1133 01:12:35,889 --> 01:12:39,806 used freeing the POWS and bringing them home 1134 01:12:39,889 --> 01:12:41,639 as a justification 1135 01:12:41,723 --> 01:12:45,723 for continuing the war and carpet-bombing North Vietnam. 1136 01:12:46,681 --> 01:12:50,472 I have no idea what it must be like to be a POW. 1137 01:12:50,556 --> 01:12:54,431 I do know that they were used by the government. 1138 01:12:57,889 --> 01:13:03,097 It was a very... tumultuous and polarized time. 1139 01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,764 There was a lot of anger and blame, 1140 01:13:06,848 --> 01:13:11,139 and for myself, I really, I didn't know 1141 01:13:11,222 --> 01:13:16,972 always how to channel my anger in constructive ways. 1142 01:13:18,431 --> 01:13:22,347 I killed a lot of people, and I live with a lot of nightmares! 1143 01:13:22,431 --> 01:13:26,514 And then I got shot in this country's war. 1144 01:13:26,598 --> 01:13:28,514 I heard Ron Kovic speak 1145 01:13:28,598 --> 01:13:31,598 at a very big rally of a couple thousand people. 1146 01:13:32,639 --> 01:13:35,723 He was paralyzed during the Vietnam War, 1147 01:13:35,806 --> 01:13:38,514 and he became an activist with the GI Movement. 1148 01:13:38,598 --> 01:13:43,014 He said, "I've lost my body, yeah, but I've gained my mind." 1149 01:13:43,097 --> 01:13:46,306 And I thought, I could build a movie around that. 1150 01:13:49,431 --> 01:13:52,347 ♪ Once I was a soldier ♪ 1151 01:13:52,431 --> 01:13:54,014 You're a mess. 1152 01:13:57,639 --> 01:13:59,723 Were you wounded in 'Nam? 1153 01:13:59,806 --> 01:14:01,222 Right. 1154 01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:04,014 When did it happen? 1155 01:14:05,848 --> 01:14:08,681 A long time ago. 1156 01:14:10,347 --> 01:14:12,264 My husband just went over there. 1157 01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:14,222 Poor bastard. 1158 01:14:14,306 --> 01:14:17,097 ♪ Once I was a lover ♪ 1159 01:14:18,347 --> 01:14:22,055 The studios didn't want to make a film about the war. 1160 01:14:22,139 --> 01:14:26,514 It took six years until we finally could get it made. 1161 01:14:27,472 --> 01:14:33,180 I had been working with returned veterans from Vietnam for several years. 1162 01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:38,431 It was a story about coming home 1163 01:14:38,514 --> 01:14:41,139 after being through what they had been through. 1164 01:14:41,222 --> 01:14:44,723 If it's over with us, it's over! 1165 01:14:46,014 --> 01:14:48,222 Well, what are you saying? That you're not even gonna make the effort? 1166 01:14:48,306 --> 01:14:50,972 What I'm saying is... 1167 01:14:51,055 --> 01:14:53,598 -I don't belong in this house! -Please-- 1168 01:14:53,681 --> 01:14:56,180 And they're saying that I don't belong over there! 1169 01:14:58,180 --> 01:15:00,389 You know, you wanna be a part of it and patriotic, 1170 01:15:00,472 --> 01:15:02,055 and go out and... 1171 01:15:02,139 --> 01:15:06,556 get your licks in at the US of A, and... 1172 01:15:08,972 --> 01:15:12,930 and... when you get over there, 1173 01:15:13,014 --> 01:15:15,556 it's a totally different situation. 1174 01:15:16,681 --> 01:15:18,055 I mean... 1175 01:15:20,264 --> 01:15:22,180 ...you grow up real quick, 1176 01:15:23,389 --> 01:15:25,972 because all you're seeing is, um, 1177 01:15:26,055 --> 01:15:27,930 a lot of death. 1178 01:15:31,055 --> 01:15:33,472 There were soldiers who came back feeling 1179 01:15:33,556 --> 01:15:35,556 that they should never have gone. 1180 01:15:38,598 --> 01:15:40,139 There were also men, 1181 01:15:40,222 --> 01:15:42,306 even though they were physically damaged, 1182 01:15:42,389 --> 01:15:46,639 who came back still staunch believers. 1183 01:15:50,222 --> 01:15:51,472 I feel... 1184 01:15:51,556 --> 01:15:54,347 just as compassionate for them as I do 1185 01:15:54,431 --> 01:15:55,972 for the other soldiers. 1186 01:16:04,097 --> 01:16:06,930 To men who were, in Vietnam, who... 1187 01:16:09,806 --> 01:16:11,848 who I hurt 1188 01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:14,889 or whose pain I caused to-- 1189 01:16:14,972 --> 01:16:18,848 to deepen because of things that I said or I did, uh... 1190 01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:22,222 I-I feel that I owe them an apology. 1191 01:16:24,472 --> 01:16:27,723 My intentions were never to hurt them or make their situation worse. 1192 01:16:27,806 --> 01:16:29,472 It was... It was the contrary. 1193 01:16:29,556 --> 01:16:32,598 I was trying to help end the killing, end the war. 1194 01:16:35,639 --> 01:16:38,014 But there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it, 1195 01:16:38,097 --> 01:16:41,972 and I'm-- and I am... very sorry that I hurt them, 1196 01:16:42,055 --> 01:16:45,472 and I want to apologize to them and to their families. 1197 01:16:56,639 --> 01:16:59,222 During the time that it took to make Coming Home, 1198 01:16:59,306 --> 01:17:01,472 I was making other movies. 1199 01:17:02,306 --> 01:17:04,930 But a lot of that time, I was on the road with Tom. 1200 01:17:09,097 --> 01:17:13,556 Tom said, "We have to go to the grassroots. 1201 01:17:13,639 --> 01:17:17,556 "We have to speak to the silent majority. 1202 01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:19,723 "Let's do a 60-city tour, 1203 01:17:19,806 --> 01:17:23,848 over three months, across the United States." 1204 01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:27,639 And within weeks, we created the Indochina Peace Campaign. 1205 01:17:31,972 --> 01:17:35,139 We would sleep in people's houses, you know, waterbeds. 1206 01:17:35,222 --> 01:17:38,431 Sometimes, we were both sq-- in a twin bed. 1207 01:17:38,514 --> 01:17:42,930 And it was in a motor home, driving toward Buffalo, 1208 01:17:43,014 --> 01:17:47,514 when I became impregnated with Troy. 1209 01:17:49,014 --> 01:17:52,972 I remember we called Tom's mother, Jean, who lived in Detroit, 1210 01:17:53,055 --> 01:17:56,180 and she said, "You know, you're gonna have to get married." 1211 01:17:57,347 --> 01:17:59,556 We thought that was bourgeois. 1212 01:17:59,639 --> 01:18:02,930 And she said, "You know, what are you gonna do when you go on The Johnny Carson Show 1213 01:18:03,014 --> 01:18:06,139 "and you wanna talk about Vietnam, and they wanna talk about 1214 01:18:06,222 --> 01:18:10,180 "how come you're having a kid and you're not married," and that made sense. 1215 01:18:10,264 --> 01:18:13,431 I really wanted to get married, to tell you the truth. 1216 01:18:13,514 --> 01:18:16,681 We got a gay Episcopal priest, 1217 01:18:16,764 --> 01:18:21,472 who I think was thrown out of the order for having married us, 1218 01:18:21,556 --> 01:18:24,347 and, uh, life went on. 1219 01:18:29,556 --> 01:18:31,972 With Troy, we didn't want him to have 1220 01:18:32,055 --> 01:18:35,180 his father's name just automatically, or Fonda. 1221 01:18:35,264 --> 01:18:38,514 You know, we wanted him to have a name that didn't have so much baggage. 1222 01:18:38,598 --> 01:18:43,389 So we named him Troy O'Donovan Garity. 1223 01:18:45,055 --> 01:18:48,306 My parents made a conscious decision to... 1224 01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:52,972 try to live as... normally as possible. 1225 01:18:54,264 --> 01:18:57,639 I know that that sounds insane because they are abnormal. 1226 01:18:57,723 --> 01:19:00,723 - Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home ! 1227 01:19:03,806 --> 01:19:07,347 We went to the Oscars in a station wagon. 1228 01:19:07,431 --> 01:19:10,180 My father wore like a-- the ugliest suit in the world. 1229 01:19:10,264 --> 01:19:14,639 I wore a T-shirt with a hand-screened tuxedo thing on it. 1230 01:19:16,306 --> 01:19:19,472 It wasn't a normal family unit. 1231 01:19:19,556 --> 01:19:23,681 Like we weren't, you know, vacationing in tropical paradises. 1232 01:19:23,764 --> 01:19:26,639 You know, we holidayed in conflict zones. 1233 01:19:27,972 --> 01:19:30,014 I was potty-trained 1234 01:19:30,097 --> 01:19:31,972 in a Vietnam bomb shelter. 1235 01:19:33,306 --> 01:19:35,139 I just got dragged with them. 1236 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:41,389 Being in an IRA, you know, stronghold in Belfast, 1237 01:19:41,472 --> 01:19:44,556 and a boy comes in with his thumb blown off, 1238 01:19:44,639 --> 01:19:48,723 and my father dips the rag in his blood and's like, "This is your blood. 1239 01:19:48,806 --> 01:19:51,556 This is your fucking blood. This is your people." 1240 01:19:51,639 --> 01:19:53,055 I'm five. 1241 01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:57,180 My first 13 birthday parties were fundraisers. 1242 01:19:57,264 --> 01:20:01,264 Anything that represented, like, wealth or establishment 1243 01:20:01,347 --> 01:20:04,389 was looked on with a lot of skepticism. 1244 01:20:04,472 --> 01:20:06,889 "If my coworker can't have a pool, 1245 01:20:06,972 --> 01:20:08,889 "then I'm not having a fucking pool. 1246 01:20:08,972 --> 01:20:12,514 I'd rather take that money give it to the United Farm Workers Fund." 1247 01:20:14,389 --> 01:20:17,556 You know, the house I was raised in, there was another family living... 1248 01:20:17,639 --> 01:20:19,306 in the house with us. 1249 01:20:19,389 --> 01:20:22,306 Uh, at times, we had organizers sleeping on the porch. 1250 01:20:22,389 --> 01:20:24,598 There was a homeless person that slept under the house. 1251 01:20:24,681 --> 01:20:27,723 I would come home sometimes and he would be dressed in... 1252 01:20:27,806 --> 01:20:29,930 in my parents' clothes. Yeah. 1253 01:20:30,014 --> 01:20:32,972 They were one house right next to the other. 1254 01:20:33,055 --> 01:20:37,514 Nightwatchman on one side and a Marxist writer on the other. 1255 01:20:38,389 --> 01:20:42,347 And we lived in this house that was-- my dad called it a shack. 1256 01:20:43,347 --> 01:20:45,764 We had furniture from Salvation Army. 1257 01:20:45,848 --> 01:20:49,014 We had no dishwasher, we had no washing machine. 1258 01:20:50,014 --> 01:20:52,139 It was... 1259 01:20:53,389 --> 01:20:56,764 I was very happy, and I was very proud of myself. 1260 01:21:00,055 --> 01:21:03,598 I wanted to show Tom that I could do it. 1261 01:21:03,681 --> 01:21:07,389 I didn't want him to think that I was... spoiled. 1262 01:21:08,723 --> 01:21:10,972 We were intensely in love, 1263 01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:13,848 pursuing common life goals. 1264 01:21:14,764 --> 01:21:19,389 The neighborhood was swollen with activists, of all kinds. 1265 01:21:20,723 --> 01:21:25,806 It was a really, tiny, little version of-- of a commune. 1266 01:21:25,889 --> 01:21:27,639 I would be invited all the time to come 1267 01:21:27,723 --> 01:21:29,514 for dinner and there was no dinner. 1268 01:21:29,598 --> 01:21:32,514 And I was like, "I don't understand, what happened to dinner?" 1269 01:21:32,598 --> 01:21:35,222 It was espresso. Jane's not a cook. 1270 01:21:36,764 --> 01:21:39,347 We would get in our little Volkswagen Bug, 1271 01:21:39,431 --> 01:21:41,556 and go to the local pizzeria and... 1272 01:21:42,431 --> 01:21:44,681 it was wonderful. 1273 01:21:44,764 --> 01:21:46,681 But when you combine 1274 01:21:46,764 --> 01:21:49,014 the fever of celebrity 1275 01:21:49,097 --> 01:21:52,014 with the furor of... 1276 01:21:52,097 --> 01:21:55,514 anti-war, um, activities, 1277 01:21:55,598 --> 01:22:00,389 um, there was a lot of heat around our home. 1278 01:22:03,097 --> 01:22:06,055 I will never forget the day that we came home, 1279 01:22:06,139 --> 01:22:07,889 there wasn't a drawer in the house 1280 01:22:07,972 --> 01:22:10,055 that wasn't pulled out and turned over. 1281 01:22:10,139 --> 01:22:12,639 Everything was torn out of the closets. 1282 01:22:12,723 --> 01:22:14,681 Papers were rifled, desks were open. 1283 01:22:14,764 --> 01:22:17,222 I mean, someone had gone through our house. 1284 01:22:17,306 --> 01:22:21,389 And it was done so blatantly, and mess-- 1285 01:22:21,472 --> 01:22:25,431 I mean, I knew that it was... to scare us. 1286 01:22:28,472 --> 01:22:31,930 I was aware that I was being followed, 1287 01:22:32,014 --> 01:22:34,889 and there was very little attempt to disguise it. 1288 01:22:34,972 --> 01:22:39,472 There would be these guys in trench coats with dark glasses. 1289 01:22:41,514 --> 01:22:44,764 The FBI would follow Vanessa to school. 1290 01:22:44,848 --> 01:22:48,055 The more I saw them the more my attitude was, 1291 01:22:48,139 --> 01:22:49,889 "You think I'm gonna back down?" 1292 01:22:49,972 --> 01:22:51,556 I mean, that's one thing, you know, 1293 01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:53,514 every time people think they're gonna scare me, 1294 01:22:53,598 --> 01:22:55,681 then that's the wrong way to approach it. 1295 01:22:55,764 --> 01:22:57,723 Because, no. 1296 01:23:01,889 --> 01:23:07,180 I saw, with Tom, what it meant to build a movement, 1297 01:23:08,139 --> 01:23:10,972 what organizing meant. 1298 01:23:13,139 --> 01:23:16,472 He realized that what needed to be focused on 1299 01:23:16,556 --> 01:23:20,889 was moving power out of the hands of the super rich and the corporations, 1300 01:23:20,972 --> 01:23:25,431 into the hands of people, the way it should be in a democracy. 1301 01:23:25,514 --> 01:23:30,222 So, the Campaign for Economic Democracy evolved. 1302 01:23:30,306 --> 01:23:35,306 We knew that we wanted to spread a message throughout the country. 1303 01:23:36,514 --> 01:23:39,389 It was difficult because we had to raise so much money, 1304 01:23:39,472 --> 01:23:42,055 and it was during a recession. 1305 01:23:43,556 --> 01:23:47,639 So Tom and I talked about this and we thought, "Well, let's start a business 1306 01:23:47,723 --> 01:23:49,972 that will fund the work." 1307 01:23:50,055 --> 01:23:53,472 We talked about... "Maybe a restaurant." 1308 01:23:53,556 --> 01:23:56,139 That would have been a disaster. 1309 01:23:56,222 --> 01:23:59,764 Then we thought, "Maybe a car wash that doesn't rip people off." 1310 01:23:59,848 --> 01:24:03,431 Well, that-- You know, I mean, we had no idea. 1311 01:24:04,431 --> 01:24:09,014 And then one day, I suddenly thought... 1312 01:24:09,097 --> 01:24:10,930 "The Workout. 1313 01:24:11,014 --> 01:24:14,681 If there's one thing I understand, it's working out." 1314 01:24:17,598 --> 01:24:19,972 One camera. 1315 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,472 There were no teleprompters or anything like that. 1316 01:24:22,556 --> 01:24:25,222 I wrote the script sitting on a floor of a hotel room. 1317 01:24:25,306 --> 01:24:27,472 We did our own hair and makeup. 1318 01:24:27,556 --> 01:24:30,055 I mean, it was a spit and a prayer. 1319 01:24:30,139 --> 01:24:32,723 And the rest is history. 1320 01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:39,514 That video came out, and almost overnight 1321 01:24:39,598 --> 01:24:43,055 became and remains the number one home video of all-time. 1322 01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:46,389 Are you ready to do the workout? 1323 01:24:46,472 --> 01:24:50,180 And it was owned by the Campaign for Economic Democracy. 1324 01:24:50,264 --> 01:24:52,681 The organization owned it, not me, 1325 01:24:52,764 --> 01:24:55,055 and all the profits went into the organization. 1326 01:24:55,139 --> 01:24:58,180 Right, two. And back, two. 1327 01:24:58,264 --> 01:25:01,514 It sold 17 million copies. 1328 01:25:01,598 --> 01:25:04,723 A video industry developed, because everyone wanted 1329 01:25:04,806 --> 01:25:08,431 to buy my video and use it over and over and over. 1330 01:25:08,514 --> 01:25:11,389 I'm the first non-engineer 1331 01:25:11,472 --> 01:25:14,723 to be inducted into the Video Hall of Fame. 1332 01:25:14,806 --> 01:25:17,764 You know, they credited me for building the video industry. 1333 01:25:18,972 --> 01:25:21,389 It was a pretty interesting time for me 1334 01:25:21,472 --> 01:25:25,431 because people recognized me in a whole different way. 1335 01:25:25,514 --> 01:25:30,306 Women would come up to me and say, you know, "I don't need sleeping pills anymore." 1336 01:25:30,972 --> 01:25:36,347 Another one would talk about how she felt different, she felt stronger. 1337 01:25:37,848 --> 01:25:41,055 It's funny, when I thought about it, that was true for me. 1338 01:25:41,139 --> 01:25:45,014 You know, I had suffered from an eating disorder for a long time. 1339 01:25:46,556 --> 01:25:49,723 Nobody knew. You know, one of the things about bulimia 1340 01:25:49,806 --> 01:25:52,514 is that it's a... it's a disease of denial. 1341 01:25:53,389 --> 01:25:55,764 You know, it takes a lot of subterfuge. 1342 01:25:57,681 --> 01:26:01,097 You're very tired, and you're very angry, 1343 01:26:01,180 --> 01:26:03,764 and you're very self-hating. 1344 01:26:03,848 --> 01:26:05,723 And I realized, 1345 01:26:05,806 --> 01:26:08,222 I'm heading into a really dark place, 1346 01:26:08,306 --> 01:26:10,930 and I'm-- I either am gonna head to the light 1347 01:26:11,014 --> 01:26:13,055 or I'm gonna succumb to the dark, 1348 01:26:13,139 --> 01:26:14,556 and it's a life or death thing. 1349 01:26:15,972 --> 01:26:18,139 I went cold turkey. 1350 01:26:18,222 --> 01:26:21,306 It was really, really hard. 1351 01:26:22,389 --> 01:26:26,055 There was something about taking control of my body, in that way, 1352 01:26:26,139 --> 01:26:28,639 that got me over the addiction. 1353 01:26:28,723 --> 01:26:30,930 It changed my perception of myself. 1354 01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:35,806 I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, 1355 01:26:35,889 --> 01:26:39,514 "Revolution begins in the muscles." 1356 01:26:41,723 --> 01:26:44,514 And it was a revolution for me, 1357 01:26:44,598 --> 01:26:47,598 but it was completely unintentional, 1358 01:26:47,681 --> 01:26:51,598 you know, I did the workout to fund the organization. 1359 01:26:52,723 --> 01:26:55,055 It was for Tom. 1360 01:26:55,764 --> 01:26:59,306 They formed a team around politics, 1361 01:26:59,389 --> 01:27:02,306 and around the children. 1362 01:27:02,389 --> 01:27:05,306 But she didn't have as much confidence 1363 01:27:05,389 --> 01:27:08,347 as I think she should've in those days, 1364 01:27:08,431 --> 01:27:14,598 And Tom is so compelling that he's a hard force to argue with. 1365 01:27:15,972 --> 01:27:19,014 You know, here is a man who was considered an intellectual, 1366 01:27:19,097 --> 01:27:21,806 he was considered a star in the movement, 1367 01:27:21,889 --> 01:27:24,389 and he'd written-- I don't remember how many books he'd written. 1368 01:27:24,472 --> 01:27:28,639 And then I write Jane Fonda's Workout Book, 1369 01:27:28,723 --> 01:27:32,514 and it becomes the number one on the New York Times for two years. 1370 01:27:32,598 --> 01:27:37,180 Two solid years. 1371 01:27:37,264 --> 01:27:40,180 The Workout Book ? 1372 01:27:40,264 --> 01:27:43,889 I mean, if I was him, I would have had a certain degree of resentment. 1373 01:27:45,598 --> 01:27:49,347 He thought I was superficial. 1374 01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:52,431 That I wasn't smart enough. 1375 01:27:53,598 --> 01:27:56,097 But I was producing my own movies, 1376 01:27:56,180 --> 01:28:00,723 the kind of movies that say the things that I think need saying. 1377 01:28:00,806 --> 01:28:02,431 Hello, this is Kimberly Wells, 1378 01:28:02,514 --> 01:28:04,764 and I'm here at the Ventana Nuclear Power Plant, 1379 01:28:04,848 --> 01:28:07,556 owned and operated by California Gas & Electric. 1380 01:28:07,639 --> 01:28:09,556 China Syndrome was the story 1381 01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:12,222 of a cover-up at a nuclear power plant. 1382 01:28:16,472 --> 01:28:18,889 This is Jack Godell. We have a serious condition. 1383 01:28:18,972 --> 01:28:22,681 You get everybody into safety areas and make sure that they stay there. 1384 01:28:23,472 --> 01:28:25,723 Radiation in containment! 1385 01:28:25,806 --> 01:28:28,431 We were very much attacked for, 1386 01:28:28,514 --> 01:28:30,556 for making it, the movie. 1387 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:34,222 But then, the movie came out and two weeks later, Three Mile Island happened. 1388 01:28:34,306 --> 01:28:36,806 All pregnant women and preschool children 1389 01:28:36,889 --> 01:28:40,264 should evacuate out of a five-mile radius... 1390 01:28:40,347 --> 01:28:43,139 The China Syndrome has given Jane Fonda a new standing 1391 01:28:43,222 --> 01:28:44,598 in American society. 1392 01:28:44,681 --> 01:28:46,764 She's now a heroine in her own right. 1393 01:28:46,848 --> 01:28:49,639 She's the Cassandra of the Nuclear Holocaust. 1394 01:28:50,389 --> 01:28:53,306 It's shocking that people from this area 1395 01:28:53,389 --> 01:28:55,264 had to go to see The China Syndrome 1396 01:28:55,347 --> 01:28:57,972 in order to try to understand what was happening to them. 1397 01:28:58,723 --> 01:29:03,723 Jane has always had an impulse to go right for the heart of things. 1398 01:29:03,806 --> 01:29:07,764 We were aligned in the same way that things were not right. 1399 01:29:07,848 --> 01:29:11,723 The question was how we were gonna go about it, 1400 01:29:11,806 --> 01:29:14,347 and I felt, if I spoke out, 1401 01:29:14,431 --> 01:29:16,431 that there would be a lot of resentment. 1402 01:29:18,306 --> 01:29:20,306 That didn't mean you couldn't do it that way, and that's the choice that Jane made. 1403 01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,972 And it had a lot of strength and a lot of power to it. 1404 01:29:23,055 --> 01:29:25,806 She made a lot of enemies, but that's gonna happen 1405 01:29:25,889 --> 01:29:29,014 when you step up and speak on the national stage. 1406 01:29:30,848 --> 01:29:34,972 What I admire about her is that she did it and she didn't look back, 1407 01:29:35,055 --> 01:29:37,347 she didn't change her tone or her voice. 1408 01:29:37,431 --> 01:29:39,472 She said, "This is what I believe, 1409 01:29:39,556 --> 01:29:41,598 "this is what I feel, and this is what I'm gonna say." 1410 01:29:41,681 --> 01:29:43,972 ♪ Tumble outta bed and stumble to the kitchen ♪ 1411 01:29:44,055 --> 01:29:46,472 ♪ Pour myself a cup of ambition ♪ 1412 01:29:46,556 --> 01:29:49,180 ♪ And yawn and stretch and try to come to life ♪ 1413 01:29:49,264 --> 01:29:51,472 Forty million women work in offices, 1414 01:29:51,556 --> 01:29:54,472 and for the first time in history, they're beginning to organize, 1415 01:29:54,556 --> 01:30:00,014 they're beginning to say, "We deserve respect, we deserve equal pay for equal work." 1416 01:30:00,097 --> 01:30:03,514 ♪ Workin' 9 to 5 What a way... ♪ 1417 01:30:03,598 --> 01:30:05,723 Jane is always looking for 1418 01:30:05,806 --> 01:30:09,639 what's the most important current issue to deal with, 1419 01:30:09,723 --> 01:30:12,514 and 9 to 5 was her invention. 1420 01:30:12,598 --> 01:30:15,848 She decided to do a movie about the 9-to-5 women. 1421 01:30:15,930 --> 01:30:19,514 Well, look, couldn't we just all get together and... and complain? 1422 01:30:19,598 --> 01:30:21,139 Complain to who? 1423 01:30:21,222 --> 01:30:23,972 Let's face it, we are in a pink-collared ghetto. 1424 01:30:24,055 --> 01:30:25,848 Let's have another drink. 1425 01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:28,389 We all knew we were doing something that was important 1426 01:30:28,472 --> 01:30:30,889 for women office workers, 1427 01:30:30,972 --> 01:30:32,389 because we dealt with all the issues: 1428 01:30:32,472 --> 01:30:34,848 sexual harassment, unequal pay... 1429 01:30:37,306 --> 01:30:39,014 ...the importance of flex hours, 1430 01:30:39,097 --> 01:30:42,055 the importance of childcare, all these things. 1431 01:30:45,514 --> 01:30:48,014 My mom was using film 1432 01:30:48,097 --> 01:30:53,514 as a platform to try to affect change. 1433 01:30:55,514 --> 01:30:57,556 My parents were really doing it. 1434 01:30:57,639 --> 01:30:59,889 They were boots-on-the-ground, 1435 01:30:59,972 --> 01:31:03,097 dedicated mission, "We're going forward." 1436 01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:06,014 That's where their heads were at. 1437 01:31:06,097 --> 01:31:09,222 My parents walked the walk, for sure. 1438 01:31:19,014 --> 01:31:24,055 They bought these hundred acres on top of this mountain in Santa Barbara 1439 01:31:24,139 --> 01:31:27,264 and started a summer camp. 1440 01:31:27,347 --> 01:31:29,930 I mean, it was every walk of life. 1441 01:31:30,014 --> 01:31:33,806 Children of farm workers, the children of the heads of studios, 1442 01:31:33,889 --> 01:31:36,639 the children of Black Panthers. 1443 01:31:38,723 --> 01:31:41,264 Laurel Springs was really a fantasy 1444 01:31:41,347 --> 01:31:44,055 that they, together, made a reality. 1445 01:31:44,139 --> 01:31:46,472 If you're a true movement person, 1446 01:31:46,556 --> 01:31:50,097 you understand about passing it along, 1447 01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:55,097 and watering the fields, and making the seeds grow. 1448 01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:57,930 We were all on this mountaintop together 1449 01:31:58,014 --> 01:32:00,598 and we were forced to coexist. 1450 01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:04,514 And it was at Laurel Springs that I met Lulu. 1451 01:32:07,514 --> 01:32:11,972 Lulu, when she first came to camp, she was maybe 12. 1452 01:32:12,055 --> 01:32:15,639 And she was... giggly, and bright, and... 1453 01:32:15,723 --> 01:32:20,014 funny, with this wonderful laugh and everyone just adored her. 1454 01:32:20,097 --> 01:32:24,264 She came two summers, and then she disappeared. 1455 01:32:25,848 --> 01:32:29,889 And when she came back, she was a different person. 1456 01:32:31,055 --> 01:32:36,139 She had been sexually abused repeatedly by an acting coach. 1457 01:32:36,222 --> 01:32:38,472 She was shut down. 1458 01:32:38,556 --> 01:32:43,055 Her life was dysfunctional, disorganized. 1459 01:32:43,139 --> 01:32:46,889 Her parents had been Black Panthers. Her father was in jail. 1460 01:32:46,972 --> 01:32:49,972 She was failing in school. 1461 01:32:50,055 --> 01:32:55,222 It was like the flame had gotten real tiny, but it was still there, you could see. 1462 01:32:55,306 --> 01:32:58,681 And I said, "I'll tell you what, Lulu, 1463 01:32:58,764 --> 01:33:02,972 "if you bring your grades up to a B, 1464 01:33:03,055 --> 01:33:07,389 "I'll bring you to Los Angeles, to Santa Monica, where we live, 1465 01:33:07,472 --> 01:33:13,139 "and... you can live with us and go to school down there, 1466 01:33:13,222 --> 01:33:15,139 if your mother lets that happen." 1467 01:33:15,222 --> 01:33:17,389 And that's what happened. 1468 01:33:17,472 --> 01:33:19,347 She didn't even say, "I want to adopt you or I want you to be 1469 01:33:19,431 --> 01:33:21,639 my daughter." It was just-- it just kinda evolved into that, 1470 01:33:21,723 --> 01:33:24,681 'cause it really just was "I want to help this child." 1471 01:33:24,764 --> 01:33:28,889 So when I came, I just started living in their house, and then it became, you know, 1472 01:33:28,972 --> 01:33:31,222 I was just another kid in the house. 1473 01:33:35,514 --> 01:33:39,556 It all goes back to my mother's childhood. 1474 01:33:39,639 --> 01:33:43,764 I think her light was almost put out... 1475 01:33:43,848 --> 01:33:45,681 when she was a child. 1476 01:33:47,139 --> 01:33:53,222 So, I think she likes to find people who are in danger of losing theirs, and re-- and... 1477 01:33:53,306 --> 01:33:55,514 and rekindle it. 1478 01:33:58,264 --> 01:34:03,639 No, my mom was... not orphaned, but pretty damn close. 1479 01:34:12,347 --> 01:34:15,764 I had always wanted to do a movie with my dad, 1480 01:34:15,848 --> 01:34:20,055 and this play seemed like a perfect thing. 1481 01:34:21,972 --> 01:34:23,889 She bought On Golden Pond for them, 1482 01:34:23,972 --> 01:34:27,222 she produced it, she made it for him, 1483 01:34:27,306 --> 01:34:33,180 to... have a deeper shared experience with him, before they couldn't anymore. 1484 01:34:34,222 --> 01:34:38,264 It was about the reconciliation of a hard dad, 1485 01:34:38,347 --> 01:34:41,097 and a emotional daughter. 1486 01:34:41,180 --> 01:34:46,222 It was more than a script, it was an opportunity for love and reconciliation. 1487 01:34:52,014 --> 01:34:53,889 Hello, Norman. 1488 01:34:57,556 --> 01:35:00,139 -Oh, look at you. -Happy birthday. 1489 01:35:00,222 --> 01:35:03,764 Look at this little fat girl, Ethel. 1490 01:35:03,848 --> 01:35:05,639 Oh, Norman! 1491 01:35:05,723 --> 01:35:09,472 -You're as thin as a rail. Isn't she? -Sure... 1492 01:35:09,556 --> 01:35:12,639 Katherine Hepburn and my father played my parents, 1493 01:35:12,723 --> 01:35:16,306 and I was extremely intimidated. 1494 01:35:16,389 --> 01:35:21,472 The parallels were very, very close between the characters, and-- and... 1495 01:35:21,556 --> 01:35:23,930 my father and I in real life. 1496 01:35:24,014 --> 01:35:26,972 But we never spoke of it. 1497 01:35:27,055 --> 01:35:31,514 We never spoke about anything like that, ever. 1498 01:35:31,598 --> 01:35:35,639 There was a great deal of invisible healing going on. 1499 01:35:35,723 --> 01:35:39,639 For Jane, it was the ultimate catharsis. 1500 01:35:41,598 --> 01:35:45,139 In the movie, the main scene between Chelsea and her father 1501 01:35:45,222 --> 01:35:50,347 was a scene that, whenever I would read it and during every single rehearsal, 1502 01:35:50,431 --> 01:35:53,514 I would become very, very, very emotional, 1503 01:35:53,598 --> 01:35:56,723 because it was so very close to home. 1504 01:35:58,055 --> 01:36:00,764 I wanna talk to you. I, um... 1505 01:36:02,431 --> 01:36:04,972 I think that, um, 1506 01:36:05,055 --> 01:36:08,139 maybe you and I should have the kind of relationship that we're supposed to have. 1507 01:36:09,097 --> 01:36:10,472 What kind of a relationship is that? 1508 01:36:12,139 --> 01:36:15,431 Well, you know, like a... like a father and a daughter. 1509 01:36:15,514 --> 01:36:18,723 Eh, just in the nick of time, huh? 1510 01:36:18,806 --> 01:36:20,014 Worried about the will, are you? 1511 01:36:20,097 --> 01:36:21,055 Well, I'm leaving everything to you, 1512 01:36:21,139 --> 01:36:22,556 except what I'm taking with me. 1513 01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:25,514 Just stop it. 1514 01:36:25,598 --> 01:36:28,055 I don't want anything. 1515 01:36:28,139 --> 01:36:32,222 It just-- it seems that you and me have been mad at each other for so long. 1516 01:36:32,306 --> 01:36:35,848 I didn't know we were mad. I thought we just didn't like each other 1517 01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:39,347 Knowing that my father doesn't like 1518 01:36:39,431 --> 01:36:42,889 to have anything that's not rehearsed, 1519 01:36:42,972 --> 01:36:46,347 everything has to be rehearsed down to the nth degree, 1520 01:36:46,431 --> 01:36:53,097 I decide to save one thing that I'm gonna do when I think it's his last close-up, 1521 01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:55,764 because I want him... 1522 01:36:55,848 --> 01:36:59,264 to do something unplanned. I don't know what it-- how he would react, 1523 01:36:59,347 --> 01:37:01,556 but it will be emotional. 1524 01:37:01,639 --> 01:37:03,556 I-- I wanna be your friend. 1525 01:37:03,639 --> 01:37:06,598 I reached out and I touched his arm. 1526 01:37:06,681 --> 01:37:09,972 Does this mean you'll... come around more often? 1527 01:37:10,055 --> 01:37:12,306 It'd mean a lot to your mother. 1528 01:37:12,389 --> 01:37:14,014 And he put his hand up, 1529 01:37:14,681 --> 01:37:17,347 but I saw... 1530 01:37:18,306 --> 01:37:21,514 the tears in his eyes... 1531 01:37:23,681 --> 01:37:27,472 and, you know, it just-- it meant the world to me. 1532 01:37:28,556 --> 01:37:34,097 He loved her. That he couldn't express it in three words 1533 01:37:34,180 --> 01:37:35,806 is a kind of tragedy. 1534 01:37:35,889 --> 01:37:41,514 But in his eyes and in his face, he still expressed it. 1535 01:37:42,764 --> 01:37:46,472 And the winner is... Henry Fonda, On Golden Pond. 1536 01:37:56,431 --> 01:38:01,930 Oh, Dad, I'm so happy, and proud, for you. 1537 01:38:06,930 --> 01:38:11,139 - On Golden Pond isn't a movie. - It's a vehicle to try to make 1538 01:38:11,222 --> 01:38:13,764 her family closer. 1539 01:38:13,848 --> 01:38:19,556 Perhaps because she felt other parts of her family... were in limbo. 1540 01:38:21,723 --> 01:38:25,848 You know, my sister definitely had a harder time 1541 01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:29,180 relating with my mother than I have. 1542 01:38:29,264 --> 01:38:32,222 I remember coming back from the hospital, 1543 01:38:32,306 --> 01:38:34,514 with newborn Troy, 1544 01:38:34,598 --> 01:38:38,598 and Vanessa, happily staring at him. 1545 01:38:39,431 --> 01:38:43,306 But it was also apparent that he was the different one. 1546 01:38:43,930 --> 01:38:46,306 He was the prince. 1547 01:38:47,764 --> 01:38:50,180 Vanessa saw me 1548 01:38:50,264 --> 01:38:56,889 taking Troy with me, as I had not taken her. 1549 01:38:58,431 --> 01:39:02,180 And she saw me living with Troy's father... 1550 01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:09,889 which was not her situation. And I can't imagine that it wasn't difficult for her. 1551 01:39:09,972 --> 01:39:15,014 The thing about Jane is, she had to learn how to be a mother... 1552 01:39:17,514 --> 01:39:21,222 because that isn't what she experienced. She experienced, 1553 01:39:21,306 --> 01:39:23,681 "Come down and say good night to the guests, 1554 01:39:23,764 --> 01:39:26,097 and go back upstairs and be your perfect little selves." 1555 01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:29,889 And even thought her mother was loving, she was clearly sad. 1556 01:39:29,972 --> 01:39:33,723 She must've, as a child, really felt that sadness, 1557 01:39:33,806 --> 01:39:39,389 you know, it had its effect. She's not a natural caretaker. 1558 01:39:39,472 --> 01:39:43,514 She had no training for emotional intelligence, at all. 1559 01:39:45,139 --> 01:39:47,431 My mother didn't have a good example of what 1560 01:39:47,514 --> 01:39:50,556 a healthy relationship looked like, 1561 01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:52,764 neither did my father. 1562 01:39:52,848 --> 01:39:56,472 Neither one of us were big on talking about our feelings. 1563 01:39:56,556 --> 01:40:03,556 Our lives became more and more like... on two separate tracks. 1564 01:40:04,972 --> 01:40:06,306 Tom once said, 1565 01:40:06,389 --> 01:40:08,389 "If Jane and I find ourselves together, 1566 01:40:08,472 --> 01:40:10,556 it was a mistake in scheduling." 1567 01:40:11,681 --> 01:40:16,055 I think that in the end, neither one of us were happy. 1568 01:40:17,139 --> 01:40:19,431 Living with a public figure, 1569 01:40:19,514 --> 01:40:21,097 who has, uh, 1570 01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:23,639 movie studios and-- and public relations firms working 1571 01:40:23,723 --> 01:40:26,848 night and day to make her larger than life, uh, 1572 01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:30,681 it is-- it becomes artificial. The house becomes a prop, 1573 01:40:30,764 --> 01:40:33,514 suddenly, uh, the bedroom could become a prop, 1574 01:40:33,598 --> 01:40:35,431 the children are props. 1575 01:40:35,514 --> 01:40:36,431 Where's life? 1576 01:40:39,514 --> 01:40:42,139 She felt the call of Hollywood. 1577 01:40:42,222 --> 01:40:45,514 That was very jarring to me. 1578 01:40:47,598 --> 01:40:50,389 I was drinking and womanizing. 1579 01:40:52,055 --> 01:40:54,972 I wasn't ready to be the husband of somebody 1580 01:40:55,055 --> 01:40:59,389 that was preoccupied with being an actress. 1581 01:41:01,055 --> 01:41:03,806 He was very rough on her. 1582 01:41:03,889 --> 01:41:06,848 I think she was very lonely. 1583 01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:10,848 It was a vulnerability she couldn't allow in and I think a truth she couldn't allow in. 1584 01:41:10,930 --> 01:41:15,472 So I think she would've gone on accepting that. 1585 01:41:17,764 --> 01:41:20,639 He fell in love with somebody... 1586 01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:27,139 um... and I found out. 1587 01:41:31,431 --> 01:41:35,180 It did knock the foundation out from under me because... 1588 01:41:35,264 --> 01:41:39,264 I just never could have imagined life without Tom. 1589 01:41:40,764 --> 01:41:45,431 If I'm not with Tom Hayden, then I'm nobody. 1590 01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:51,889 Here she was alone at a critical moment for an actress. 1591 01:41:51,972 --> 01:41:54,598 when you're still beautiful, and sexy, and everything, 1592 01:41:54,681 --> 01:41:57,264 but the guys don't want to play with you anymore. 1593 01:41:57,347 --> 01:42:00,431 When Redford was making the movie Legal Eagles 1594 01:42:00,514 --> 01:42:03,848 and Debra Winger got cast, and Jane didn't, 1595 01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:07,055 she went, "Oh my God, it's happened. 1596 01:42:07,139 --> 01:42:10,681 "Redford isn't fighting for me, or the studio doesn't want me, 1597 01:42:10,764 --> 01:42:13,889 they want the new, fabulous young star." 1598 01:42:13,972 --> 01:42:17,222 It was a very difficult time. 1599 01:42:17,306 --> 01:42:21,431 Just dark... and painful. 1600 01:42:22,764 --> 01:42:24,681 And then, a friend of mine gave me the name 1601 01:42:24,764 --> 01:42:28,222 of this unbelievable psychic... 1602 01:42:28,306 --> 01:42:29,889 who... 1603 01:42:29,972 --> 01:42:31,972 predicted... 1604 01:42:32,055 --> 01:42:35,097 things-- I mean, down to the minutiae. 1605 01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:41,431 She said to me, "I see money. I see so much money." 1606 01:42:44,472 --> 01:42:48,764 And then she said, "And I see land... as far as I can see." 1607 01:42:52,180 --> 01:42:54,306 Of course, it was Ted Turner. 1608 01:42:55,306 --> 01:42:56,556 The words used most often 1609 01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,806 to describe Robert Edward Turner III 1610 01:42:58,889 --> 01:43:00,472 are controversial, 1611 01:43:00,556 --> 01:43:01,472 rash, 1612 01:43:01,556 --> 01:43:02,556 flamboyant, 1613 01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:03,639 controversial, 1614 01:43:03,723 --> 01:43:04,639 ambitious, 1615 01:43:04,723 --> 01:43:05,930 competitive, 1616 01:43:06,014 --> 01:43:06,723 and controversial. 1617 01:43:06,806 --> 01:43:09,014 You bet your bippy. 1618 01:43:10,723 --> 01:43:12,889 The best advice is never do anything. 1619 01:43:14,222 --> 01:43:16,014 You'll never get in trouble if you don't do anything. 1620 01:43:17,222 --> 01:43:21,222 But on the other hand, you'll never get anywhere either... you know. 1621 01:43:23,055 --> 01:43:25,139 Faint heart ne'er won fair lady. 1622 01:43:33,014 --> 01:43:34,764 The day after... 1623 01:43:34,848 --> 01:43:38,264 my divorce from Tom Hayden was announced, the phone rang, 1624 01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:40,681 and this booming Southern accent, 1625 01:43:41,222 --> 01:43:43,264 he said, "Would you want to go out with me?" 1626 01:43:43,347 --> 01:43:45,972 And I said, "Well, I'm having a nervous breakdown. 1627 01:43:46,055 --> 01:43:48,723 Call me in six months." 1628 01:43:49,472 --> 01:43:52,598 And six months to the day, Ted asked me out again. 1629 01:43:53,431 --> 01:43:55,389 Ted was a genius, 1630 01:43:55,472 --> 01:43:56,514 billionaire, 1631 01:43:56,598 --> 01:43:58,139 entrepreneur, 1632 01:43:58,598 --> 01:44:00,723 but he was also gorgeous. 1633 01:44:01,139 --> 01:44:05,514 I mean, he was really a handsome man, and very, very sexy. 1634 01:44:07,139 --> 01:44:09,139 On the first date... 1635 01:44:09,222 --> 01:44:10,347 the way... 1636 01:44:10,431 --> 01:44:12,639 he looked at me... 1637 01:44:12,723 --> 01:44:15,472 I felt like I was being eaten. 1638 01:44:17,264 --> 01:44:19,639 He was devouring me, 1639 01:44:20,431 --> 01:44:22,764 and I got goosebumps all over me. 1640 01:44:23,431 --> 01:44:25,180 Then he said, "You know, I don't know much about you, 1641 01:44:25,264 --> 01:44:28,222 "so I went into CNN and I pulled your archives. 1642 01:44:28,306 --> 01:44:30,431 There was a stack about that high." 1643 01:44:31,431 --> 01:44:34,389 Then he said, "Then I went and I pulled my archives. 1644 01:44:34,472 --> 01:44:37,972 And mine are this high. Mine are bigger than yours." 1645 01:44:38,264 --> 01:44:41,598 I mean, by the time we got to the restaurant, which was only 15 minutes away, 1646 01:44:41,681 --> 01:44:44,222 I felt like a tsunami had rolled over me. 1647 01:44:45,972 --> 01:44:47,556 When he took me back, 1648 01:44:47,639 --> 01:44:51,930 at the door he said, "Can I hug you?" 1649 01:44:52,014 --> 01:44:56,930 And he hugged me, and he said, "I-- I'm-- I have to tell you that I'm smitten" 1650 01:44:58,097 --> 01:45:04,389 In his heart, Ted is not a wealthy, powerful, privileged person. 1651 01:45:04,472 --> 01:45:08,639 He's a little boy who likes to play, 1652 01:45:09,848 --> 01:45:12,930 and who has wild brilliance, 1653 01:45:13,014 --> 01:45:16,180 and that's what I was attracted to. 1654 01:45:21,055 --> 01:45:25,055 - Ted adored her. - He'd never put her down. 1655 01:45:25,139 --> 01:45:28,097 Ted is fucking great. 1656 01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:32,097 I pronounce you, now, man and wife. You may kiss the bride. 1657 01:45:36,681 --> 01:45:38,681 All right! 1658 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:43,598 Their wedding was hilarious, just hilarious. 1659 01:45:43,681 --> 01:45:48,222 It's the only wedding after which we all mounted horses and went grouse shooting 1660 01:45:53,556 --> 01:45:57,681 I'll never forget here on our second date in Montana. 1661 01:45:57,764 --> 01:46:02,014 I remember driving around and he looked out of the window of the Jeep at a bird that was-- 1662 01:46:02,097 --> 01:46:04,139 you could see it in silhouette, 1663 01:46:04,222 --> 01:46:06,306 and he said what it was, 1664 01:46:06,389 --> 01:46:09,848 and he told me the nesting patterns of the bird. 1665 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:12,514 And I thought, "I could love this man." 1666 01:46:12,598 --> 01:46:14,472 It was so clear... 1667 01:46:14,556 --> 01:46:18,598 that he... had a connection to the land, 1668 01:46:18,681 --> 01:46:20,598 and to the critters, 1669 01:46:20,681 --> 01:46:23,639 and-- and... 1670 01:46:23,723 --> 01:46:25,139 ...so do I. 1671 01:46:29,556 --> 01:46:32,180 I grew up in the Santa Monica mountains, 1672 01:46:32,264 --> 01:46:34,930 and I knew all the little animals, 1673 01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:40,556 and the bugs, and the skunks, and the coyotes, and I loved them. 1674 01:46:41,431 --> 01:46:43,514 The household wasn't very happy, 1675 01:46:43,598 --> 01:46:45,598 so that's where I found happiness. 1676 01:46:47,139 --> 01:46:50,139 We were both children of suicide, 1677 01:46:50,222 --> 01:46:52,389 so we understood each other. 1678 01:46:53,139 --> 01:46:56,764 Like me, he had found solace in nature. 1679 01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:01,723 We would ride every day, sometimes three, four, five hours. 1680 01:47:01,806 --> 01:47:04,848 And hiking, and fly-fishing. 1681 01:47:04,930 --> 01:47:06,930 You know, we had adventures. 1682 01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:11,556 Jane, am I correct that you've given up making movies? 1683 01:47:11,639 --> 01:47:12,889 Oh yeah. When I met... 1684 01:47:12,972 --> 01:47:14,556 Ted, I was thinking about doing it anyway, 1685 01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,472 but when I met Ted, that clenched it. 1686 01:47:16,556 --> 01:47:19,055 She'd begun the marriage by saying to Ted, "I'll give up work, 1687 01:47:19,139 --> 01:47:21,180 but you give up girls." 1688 01:47:21,264 --> 01:47:24,930 You mean ranching can take the place of all the excitement of doing the movies? 1689 01:47:25,014 --> 01:47:26,264 Ted can. 1690 01:47:30,972 --> 01:47:32,723 Is that from you, Jeff? 1691 01:47:32,806 --> 01:47:34,723 Gee, that cost a fortune! 1692 01:47:40,681 --> 01:47:42,264 I thought that would be a disaster, 1693 01:47:42,347 --> 01:47:45,222 with our liberal, crunchy granola, 1694 01:47:45,306 --> 01:47:48,514 leftist kids coming into his family. 1695 01:47:49,264 --> 01:47:51,055 And it melded amazingly well. 1696 01:47:54,598 --> 01:47:56,723 I learned a lot... 1697 01:47:56,806 --> 01:48:01,222 with the men in my life, but I learned the most with Ted. 1698 01:48:01,306 --> 01:48:04,139 His vision was macro, 1699 01:48:04,222 --> 01:48:06,930 and I'm micro. 1700 01:48:07,014 --> 01:48:09,556 So we were a great partnership. 1701 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:12,222 It was... 1702 01:48:12,306 --> 01:48:15,431 a stunningly, interesting marriage. 1703 01:48:15,514 --> 01:48:20,264 Because they shared a view of the world, an internationalism, 1704 01:48:20,347 --> 01:48:22,055 a curiosity. 1705 01:48:22,139 --> 01:48:26,264 And it was great to be out of Hollywood in that dismal period 1706 01:48:26,347 --> 01:48:28,389 where she'd be looking for gigs. 1707 01:48:28,472 --> 01:48:29,639 It was fun. 1708 01:48:30,681 --> 01:48:34,681 But, you know, in the end, it didn't last. 1709 01:48:41,556 --> 01:48:42,930 Hi, Marta. 1710 01:48:44,306 --> 01:48:47,180 I'm good, I'm in a car heading for my favorite ex-husband's 1711 01:48:47,264 --> 01:48:49,389 ranch in Montana. 1712 01:48:59,431 --> 01:49:01,014 I think you look great. 1713 01:49:01,097 --> 01:49:03,055 -Ha, I don't-- -I think you look great! 1714 01:49:03,723 --> 01:49:06,014 You look great, too. 1715 01:49:11,222 --> 01:49:13,306 Oh, it is? 1716 01:49:13,389 --> 01:49:15,139 Gettin' old is hard, isn't, man? 1717 01:49:15,222 --> 01:49:16,014 Oh, it is. 1718 01:49:17,889 --> 01:49:19,806 That tree looks great. Do you ever sit under it 1719 01:49:19,889 --> 01:49:22,014 -with your various girlfriends? -No. 1720 01:49:23,264 --> 01:49:26,389 That's your tree. 1721 01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:29,681 It's good to see you. 1722 01:49:29,764 --> 01:49:31,598 It's good to see you. 1723 01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:39,972 Yeah. 1724 01:49:41,222 --> 01:49:43,055 Well, we had fun in here. 1725 01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:46,306 Can I be bossy for a minute? 1726 01:49:46,389 --> 01:49:47,180 Sure. 1727 01:49:47,264 --> 01:49:48,514 This isn't a good idea. 1728 01:49:48,598 --> 01:49:49,514 Why? 1729 01:49:49,598 --> 01:49:50,889 Because you walk into the back 1730 01:49:50,972 --> 01:49:52,389 of a whole lot of pictures. 1731 01:49:52,472 --> 01:49:54,055 You should turn them, 1732 01:49:54,139 --> 01:49:57,431 and some of them should face this way, and for-- Oh! 1733 01:49:57,972 --> 01:49:59,347 Awww. 1734 01:50:02,097 --> 01:50:04,514 We had a wonderful 10 years. 1735 01:50:04,598 --> 01:50:08,598 But I had to hide a part of me, 1736 01:50:08,681 --> 01:50:10,848 in order to please him. 1737 01:50:10,930 --> 01:50:15,389 He would call me when I was in L.A. and he was in Atlanta, 1738 01:50:15,472 --> 01:50:19,639 and he would say, "I'm... shrinking." 1739 01:50:21,306 --> 01:50:25,389 When he is removed from his object of love, 1740 01:50:25,472 --> 01:50:27,222 and he's alone, 1741 01:50:27,306 --> 01:50:30,347 he actually does feel like he's getting small. 1742 01:50:30,972 --> 01:50:34,431 It's very deep and very serious. 1743 01:50:35,472 --> 01:50:37,723 Ted can't be alone. 1744 01:50:37,806 --> 01:50:40,723 And so my whole life 1745 01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:43,806 had to be about him. 1746 01:50:45,598 --> 01:50:49,472 It was rare that I could go to a conference. 1747 01:50:49,556 --> 01:50:52,681 The women's conference in Beijing, I had to really negotiate. 1748 01:50:53,306 --> 01:50:58,097 The Cairo conference, the UN conference on population and development. 1749 01:50:58,180 --> 01:51:01,264 I began an organization called the Georgia Campaign 1750 01:51:01,347 --> 01:51:03,930 for Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention, 1751 01:51:04,014 --> 01:51:07,431 and it was very, very important to me. 1752 01:51:07,514 --> 01:51:10,472 But there was a lot that I wanted to do that I couldn't do. 1753 01:51:12,681 --> 01:51:16,556 As we moved through the decade that we spent together... 1754 01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:21,139 I became more of a feminist. 1755 01:51:21,222 --> 01:51:25,431 And so, my focus was more and more on... 1756 01:51:25,514 --> 01:51:27,514 on women's empowerment. 1757 01:51:29,389 --> 01:51:32,055 But it's hard to be a complete feminist if you're in a marriage that doesn't quite work. 1758 01:51:33,222 --> 01:51:37,055 None of my marriages were democratic, 1759 01:51:38,389 --> 01:51:41,431 because I was too worried about pleasing. 1760 01:51:42,055 --> 01:51:45,306 I had to be a certain way in order for them to love me. 1761 01:51:45,389 --> 01:51:47,180 I had to look a certain way, 1762 01:51:47,264 --> 01:51:49,431 and I looked different for all of them. 1763 01:51:50,389 --> 01:51:54,514 I wanted to be living as a whole Jane, 1764 01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:57,598 fully realized Jane. 1765 01:51:59,055 --> 01:52:04,306 I hoped that Ted would feel okay about it, because... 1766 01:52:04,389 --> 01:52:07,848 I really loved him, and I was hoping that it would be forever. 1767 01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:10,347 But that's not the way it played out. 1768 01:52:12,264 --> 01:52:16,472 When you and Jane parted, how did that affect you? 1769 01:52:17,222 --> 01:52:18,806 It was... 1770 01:52:18,889 --> 01:52:20,264 very difficult. I... 1771 01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,014 thought it was a... 1772 01:52:26,764 --> 01:52:28,514 ...a mistake. 1773 01:52:28,598 --> 01:52:31,889 I've survived, and so has she. 1774 01:52:31,972 --> 01:52:33,431 But, uh... 1775 01:52:34,723 --> 01:52:38,972 I feel like I was happier when I was with her than... 1776 01:52:39,055 --> 01:52:40,681 subsequently. 1777 01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:48,514 When you reside within your own skin, 1778 01:52:48,598 --> 01:52:50,556 you-- you can feel it. 1779 01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:53,723 You're holding... 1780 01:52:53,806 --> 01:52:55,431 all of you: 1781 01:52:55,514 --> 01:52:56,889 your anger, 1782 01:52:56,972 --> 01:52:58,681 your kindness 1783 01:52:58,764 --> 01:53:00,389 your judgmentalness. 1784 01:53:00,472 --> 01:53:03,014 Everything that makes up what you are, 1785 01:53:03,097 --> 01:53:07,055 including the fact that you may be stronger and braver than the man you're married to. 1786 01:53:12,097 --> 01:53:17,681 When the time came that I said to him, "Ted, this isn't gonna work... 1787 01:53:17,764 --> 01:53:20,556 "unless there are changes," 1788 01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,472 we were in a car, and... 1789 01:53:23,972 --> 01:53:27,097 all the oxygen left the car, and I knew... 1790 01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:28,889 it's not gonna happen. 1791 01:53:30,848 --> 01:53:32,764 It was awful. 1792 01:53:32,889 --> 01:53:34,806 And... 1793 01:53:34,889 --> 01:53:37,806 I could hear a voice saying, 1794 01:53:37,889 --> 01:53:41,097 "Oh God, Fonda, come on. He's handsome, he's cute, 1795 01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:45,097 "he's sexy. You know you never have to work again. 1796 01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:48,472 Lighten up. Come on." 1797 01:53:48,556 --> 01:53:52,764 And over here, there was a softer little voice saying, 1798 01:53:52,848 --> 01:53:55,806 "If you stay... 1799 01:53:55,889 --> 01:53:59,472 "you will never... be authentic, 1800 01:53:59,556 --> 01:54:03,848 "you will never be able to be whole." 1801 01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:28,889 Dina, I burnt out my blender. 1802 01:54:30,556 --> 01:54:35,139 After Ted Turner, everything was so... 1803 01:54:35,222 --> 01:54:38,598 wildly quiet. 1804 01:54:38,681 --> 01:54:43,014 It was probably the most profound turning point of my life. 1805 01:54:43,097 --> 01:54:45,681 I left this man... 1806 01:54:46,264 --> 01:54:49,014 and one part of me was so sad, 1807 01:54:49,097 --> 01:54:52,097 and the other part of me said, 1808 01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:54,347 "I'm gonna be okay. 1809 01:54:54,431 --> 01:54:58,055 I don't need a man to make me okay." 1810 01:54:59,097 --> 01:55:02,431 That-- that was it, and I never went back. 1811 01:55:04,764 --> 01:55:08,014 The problem is you don't understand the problem. 1812 01:55:08,097 --> 01:55:11,180 It's not personal. 1813 01:55:11,264 --> 01:55:16,848 I'm still being treated the way I was for 40 years, and I'm not gonna settle anymore. 1814 01:55:16,930 --> 01:55:21,514 Can't you see how disrespectful you were being? 1815 01:55:21,598 --> 01:55:26,556 I might, I will, I am. Yes, we've talked about it. 1816 01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,347 Doing? Doing? 1817 01:55:28,431 --> 01:55:30,639 I'll tell you what we're doing, we're-- we're-- we're-- 1818 01:55:30,723 --> 01:55:34,139 we're making vibrators for women with arthritis. 1819 01:55:35,723 --> 01:55:38,514 Okay. God... 1820 01:55:38,598 --> 01:55:41,764 Seventy-eight years old, I have a scene in bed with Sam Elliot. 1821 01:55:41,848 --> 01:55:43,681 Pretty good, huh? 1822 01:55:43,764 --> 01:55:44,889 It was fun, too. 1823 01:55:52,431 --> 01:55:55,055 Paula Weinstein, who's my best friend, 1824 01:55:55,139 --> 01:55:58,930 she called me and she said, "The Zanucks who were producing the Oscars that year 1825 01:55:59,014 --> 01:56:02,431 want you to present an award." 1826 01:56:02,514 --> 01:56:05,264 And I said, "I can't, I'm not in the business anymore." 1827 01:56:05,347 --> 01:56:06,514 She said, "Shut up, 1828 01:56:06,598 --> 01:56:08,055 "Vera Wang's gonna make you a dress 1829 01:56:08,139 --> 01:56:09,889 and Sally Hershberger's gonna cut your hair." 1830 01:56:11,598 --> 01:56:13,097 I came out... 1831 01:56:13,180 --> 01:56:15,389 I could hear a gasp from the audience 1832 01:56:15,472 --> 01:56:17,014 'cause I looked really good. 1833 01:56:17,639 --> 01:56:21,139 And right away, I got offered Monster-In-Law. 1834 01:56:24,014 --> 01:56:26,472 You know, I thought, "Well... 1835 01:56:26,556 --> 01:56:30,264 "people are gonna go see it because of Jennifer Lopez, 1836 01:56:30,347 --> 01:56:33,055 "but they're gonna discover, or rediscover, Jane Fonda." 1837 01:56:38,723 --> 01:56:42,097 I'm sorry, I thought it was air freshener. 1838 01:56:43,514 --> 01:56:45,431 Jane, I'm-- I'm telling you, I couldn't be, uh, 1839 01:56:45,514 --> 01:56:48,306 happier for you. I'm a-- This thing has just been tremendous. 1840 01:56:48,389 --> 01:56:53,222 And I would think after this run of the play, you would like some time just to relax, but no! 1841 01:56:53,306 --> 01:56:56,764 You see, I'm the brand ambassador for L'Oreal 1842 01:56:56,848 --> 01:56:58,764 for older women, but they never-- 1843 01:56:58,848 --> 01:57:01,139 nobody's ever had a brand ambassador my age. 1844 01:57:01,222 --> 01:57:04,014 I competed with Margaret Mead, and what they have me doing... 1845 01:57:04,097 --> 01:57:09,055 - ...is um, hand cream, face cream, and embalming oil. 1846 01:57:09,681 --> 01:57:12,639 I never thought I'd still be doing this. 1847 01:57:12,723 --> 01:57:16,014 If you would have told me, that I would be my age now, 1848 01:57:16,097 --> 01:57:17,514 and still working, 1849 01:57:17,598 --> 01:57:20,180 I would have been totally flabbergasted. 1850 01:57:20,264 --> 01:57:22,514 Jane! Jane! Jane! 1851 01:57:24,598 --> 01:57:26,472 I'm just kind of amazed that I have... 1852 01:57:26,556 --> 01:57:28,806 managed to recreate a career, and I'm-- 1853 01:57:28,889 --> 01:57:30,639 as busy as I am. 1854 01:57:30,723 --> 01:57:31,848 God! 1855 01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:34,180 -I mean, can't a lady have a-- -Leona! 1856 01:57:34,264 --> 01:57:37,764 We don't have the trust of the public anymore. 1857 01:57:38,222 --> 01:57:39,723 Get it back! 1858 01:57:40,055 --> 01:57:42,598 I forgot, I forgot to slow down, I'm sorry. 1859 01:57:42,681 --> 01:57:45,472 Now, I'm making a movie with Bob Redford again. 1860 01:57:46,431 --> 01:57:48,180 She is so busy. 1861 01:57:48,264 --> 01:57:50,639 No grass grows under her feet. 1862 01:57:50,723 --> 01:57:52,347 She puts me in the shade. 1863 01:57:52,431 --> 01:57:53,848 You ready for sushi? 1864 01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:55,848 Yes, I am. 1865 01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:59,681 Grace and Frankie, when it came along, just seemed right. 1866 01:57:59,764 --> 01:58:02,681 We can play out this part of our lives 1867 01:58:02,764 --> 01:58:04,556 in a project that speaks 1868 01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,389 what we wanna speak about. 1869 01:58:06,472 --> 01:58:08,848 Older women, older people, older, uh, 1870 01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:11,180 gay people, older straight people. 1871 01:58:11,264 --> 01:58:15,139 How am I gonna explain to my kids that their grandma makes sex toys for other grandmas? 1872 01:58:15,222 --> 01:58:16,848 Well, I'll tell you what to tell them, honey. 1873 01:58:16,930 --> 01:58:19,639 You tell them that we make things for people like us. 1874 01:58:19,723 --> 01:58:22,514 She lived her life in front of us, 1875 01:58:22,598 --> 01:58:27,389 and as she's grown older, she's shown us what that's like. 1876 01:58:27,472 --> 01:58:29,556 She's not afraid to be out there. 1877 01:58:29,639 --> 01:58:34,180 We are sick and tired of being dismissed by people like you. 1878 01:58:34,264 --> 01:58:37,222 -Mic drop. -It's about answering back, 1879 01:58:37,306 --> 01:58:41,347 not going quietly into that great good night. 1880 01:58:41,431 --> 01:58:44,598 And then go ahead and lower down and when you lower down, I want you to let your knees bend. 1881 01:58:44,681 --> 01:58:46,514 Great, and then pull right back up again. 1882 01:58:46,598 --> 01:58:47,556 -So-- -Using my arms? 1883 01:58:47,639 --> 01:58:49,097 You could use both so r-- 1884 01:58:49,180 --> 01:58:50,347 I'm glad... 1885 01:58:50,431 --> 01:58:52,764 that I look good for my age. 1886 01:58:54,514 --> 01:58:58,681 But I've also had plastic surgery, I'm not gonna lie about that. 1887 01:59:00,598 --> 01:59:04,681 On one level, I hate the fact that I have had the need... 1888 01:59:04,764 --> 01:59:06,723 to alter myself physically 1889 01:59:06,806 --> 01:59:08,764 to feel that I'm okay. 1890 01:59:11,514 --> 01:59:13,431 I wish that I wasn't... 1891 01:59:13,514 --> 01:59:15,306 like that. 1892 01:59:15,389 --> 01:59:18,389 I love older faces. 1893 01:59:18,472 --> 01:59:23,139 I love lived-in faces. I love Vanessa Redgrave's face. 1894 01:59:23,222 --> 01:59:26,264 I wish I was braver. 1895 01:59:26,347 --> 01:59:28,972 But, um... 1896 01:59:29,055 --> 01:59:30,930 I am what I am. 1897 01:59:39,472 --> 01:59:43,472 Your age is less chronological, 1898 01:59:43,556 --> 01:59:48,556 and more spiritual, and attitudinal. 1899 01:59:50,514 --> 01:59:54,264 I was so old at 20. 1900 01:59:56,097 --> 01:59:59,723 I mean, maybe people who knew me then would have said, "What?!" 1901 02:00:00,723 --> 02:00:05,306 But on a soul level, I was really... 1902 02:00:05,389 --> 02:00:07,764 I saw no future. 1903 02:00:07,848 --> 02:00:09,681 I was very dark, 1904 02:00:09,764 --> 02:00:11,764 very sad person. 1905 02:00:13,222 --> 02:00:15,180 There was no joy. 1906 02:00:17,556 --> 02:00:20,848 I didn't really know who I was. 1907 02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:25,848 It took me a really long time to find my own narrative. 1908 02:00:27,514 --> 02:00:30,889 Few people move me as much as she does. 1909 02:00:30,972 --> 02:00:33,806 She's gotta fight all her life 1910 02:00:33,889 --> 02:00:36,347 her insecurity, 1911 02:00:36,431 --> 02:00:38,681 knowing her own value. 1912 02:00:38,764 --> 02:00:42,514 And that's a journey that continues for her. I think she's gonna have that... 1913 02:00:42,598 --> 02:00:46,806 forever, but-- but nobody braver to tackle it. 1914 02:00:49,723 --> 02:00:51,681 When I watched my dad die, 1915 02:00:51,764 --> 02:00:53,389 I felt that he... 1916 02:00:53,472 --> 02:00:55,431 had a lot of regrets. 1917 02:00:56,598 --> 02:01:00,055 I do not want to get to the end of life... 1918 02:01:00,139 --> 02:01:03,514 with a lot of regrets, and I know that the regrets won't be what I did, 1919 02:01:03,598 --> 02:01:07,306 they'll be for the things I didn't do. 1920 02:01:07,389 --> 02:01:10,848 This is the beginning of my last act. 1921 02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:13,264 In order to know how to go forward, 1922 02:01:13,347 --> 02:01:15,556 I was gonna have to know where I'd been. 1923 02:01:17,139 --> 02:01:19,972 Let's see. 1924 02:01:26,806 --> 02:01:29,097 That's my grandmother. 1925 02:01:29,180 --> 02:01:31,806 That's the house where my dad grew up. 1926 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:34,848 If you really go back, 1927 02:01:34,930 --> 02:01:37,556 and try to understand who you've been, 1928 02:01:37,639 --> 02:01:41,556 you have to understand who your parents were. 1929 02:01:41,639 --> 02:01:45,389 Why were they not able... 1930 02:01:45,472 --> 02:01:48,347 to really look at you with eyes of love, 1931 02:01:48,431 --> 02:01:52,848 reflect yourself back with eyes of love. 1932 02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:57,930 Why did they have duct tape over their eyes? Why did narcissism blind them... 1933 02:01:58,014 --> 02:02:00,889 from being able to really see you? 1934 02:02:02,347 --> 02:02:07,097 Who were their parents? Why did their parents... 1935 02:02:07,180 --> 02:02:08,806 treat them the way they did? 1936 02:02:21,180 --> 02:02:24,930 I began, in 2000, to write my memoirs. 1937 02:02:25,014 --> 02:02:28,930 I dedicated them to my mother, because I thought it was gonna force me... 1938 02:02:29,014 --> 02:02:32,306 to figure out who she was. 1939 02:02:34,347 --> 02:02:38,639 I found out that my mother was the life of the party. 1940 02:02:38,723 --> 02:02:42,681 "Everybody loved being around your mother!" They did? 1941 02:02:42,764 --> 02:02:48,598 "Oh my gosh! Oh, and she was-- I mean, men loved her." 1942 02:02:49,723 --> 02:02:54,681 And her father's, my grandfather's side, of the family said, "Gasp! 1943 02:02:54,764 --> 02:02:59,014 "Oh we all wanted to be close to your mother. She was a rock." 1944 02:02:59,097 --> 02:03:03,806 I was like, "My mother?" It was such a... 1945 02:03:03,889 --> 02:03:08,598 unlike my image of who she was. It just stunned me. 1946 02:03:10,723 --> 02:03:14,972 All these conflicting stories came to me and I'd always sensed that... 1947 02:03:16,598 --> 02:03:21,514 ...she must have had a really hard childhood. And, um... 1948 02:03:21,598 --> 02:03:24,556 so with the help of a lawyer, I got her medical records 1949 02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:28,347 from the institution where she killed herself, and... 1950 02:03:28,431 --> 02:03:30,556 um... 1951 02:03:32,097 --> 02:03:34,681 I found, from her medical records 1952 02:03:34,764 --> 02:03:37,723 that she suffered from manic depression, that's what they called it. 1953 02:03:37,806 --> 02:03:40,972 It's today called bipolar. 1954 02:03:41,055 --> 02:03:43,556 And there was this little autobiography, 1955 02:03:43,639 --> 02:03:46,764 they must have asked her to write her life story. 1956 02:03:47,972 --> 02:03:50,681 What a gift. 1957 02:03:50,764 --> 02:03:54,139 Suddenly it's like, 1958 02:03:54,222 --> 02:03:56,681 it had nothing to do with me! 1959 02:03:56,764 --> 02:04:00,097 It wasn't that I was not lovable. 1960 02:04:01,681 --> 02:04:05,389 It's that things would happen to her, she had a very, very 1961 02:04:05,472 --> 02:04:08,889 hard childhood, and, um, 1962 02:04:08,972 --> 02:04:15,806 it broke her, in some way on some fundamental way, it broke her. 1963 02:04:17,639 --> 02:04:22,889 I think the most defining moment in my mother's life 1964 02:04:22,972 --> 02:04:26,139 was the death of her mother. 1965 02:04:27,848 --> 02:04:31,055 My mother died in 1950, 1966 02:04:31,139 --> 02:04:35,598 and I never had an inclination to come here. 1967 02:04:36,139 --> 02:04:40,972 And at the time, it's the right time for me to come and... 1968 02:04:41,055 --> 02:04:43,639 and visit her grave. 1969 02:05:06,347 --> 02:05:09,180 I finished her life story. 1970 02:05:10,347 --> 02:05:14,264 And all I wanted to do was take her in my arms 1971 02:05:14,347 --> 02:05:16,930 and just say, "I'm so sorry. 1972 02:05:17,014 --> 02:05:21,972 "I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I wasn't... 1973 02:05:22,055 --> 02:05:28,180 "more loving to you, I didn't know. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. 1974 02:05:28,264 --> 02:05:29,972 Please forgive me." 1975 02:05:42,930 --> 02:05:47,681 Their incapacity to love wasn't because you weren't... 1976 02:05:47,764 --> 02:05:52,930 worthy of love, but it was because they, too, had been wounded. 1977 02:05:57,764 --> 02:06:00,055 And then you can forgive. 1978 02:06:08,930 --> 02:06:13,139 It goes from one generation to another, and... 1979 02:06:13,222 --> 02:06:16,764 somebody's got to break the cycle. 1980 02:06:18,889 --> 02:06:22,848 One of the reasons that I wanted to write my book was 1981 02:06:22,930 --> 02:06:25,972 because I wanted my daughter to know 1982 02:06:26,055 --> 02:06:29,389 why I wasn't a better parent to her 1983 02:06:29,472 --> 02:06:32,347 and that it had nothing to do with her. 1984 02:06:36,972 --> 02:06:40,097 I get so sad... 1985 02:06:41,598 --> 02:06:47,347 when I think of what I wasn't for my daughter that she needed. 1986 02:06:50,681 --> 02:06:55,180 And it's hard to take that in 'cause it's so painful, 1987 02:06:55,972 --> 02:06:59,972 but it's never too late, I think. 1988 02:07:02,764 --> 02:07:05,723 There are things between us now that... 1989 02:07:05,806 --> 02:07:09,306 didn't used to be there, and I think we both feel it. 1990 02:07:09,972 --> 02:07:12,598 Deep down, we love each other. 1991 02:07:14,598 --> 02:07:18,180 I hope that she'll be able to forgive me. 1992 02:07:24,598 --> 02:07:29,514 And I feel lucky that I have my family, and my extended family. 1993 02:07:30,055 --> 02:07:34,139 I'm now having relationships that are much more democratic. 1994 02:07:35,514 --> 02:07:41,097 But I am most myself when I'm with my women friends. 1995 02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:45,598 Like a lot of people, I sort of thought that I would 1996 02:07:45,681 --> 02:07:50,097 at some point, you know, kind of retire, and... 1997 02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:52,222 but that's not gonna happen. 1998 02:07:54,014 --> 02:07:55,930 Actress Jane Fonda traveled to Standing Rock 1999 02:07:56,014 --> 02:07:58,764 to serve Thanksgiving meals to demonstrators. 2000 02:07:58,848 --> 02:08:03,347 This is a battle for, not just Standing Rock, but for everyone. 2001 02:08:04,347 --> 02:08:07,347 It's hard to be really happy if your life doesn't have meaning. 2002 02:08:08,306 --> 02:08:12,097 People turn to religion because it gives them some meaning, 2003 02:08:12,180 --> 02:08:14,972 but I am an activist. 2004 02:08:15,055 --> 02:08:19,139 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Donald Trump has got to go! 2005 02:08:19,222 --> 02:08:21,264 But we're in a whole new era. 2006 02:08:21,347 --> 02:08:25,306 When there's a catastrophe that's happened, we have to be out in the streets. 2007 02:08:27,889 --> 02:08:34,097 We don't have to choose between the environment and the economy. That is a false choice. 2008 02:08:34,180 --> 02:08:36,764 Actresses Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin 2009 02:08:36,848 --> 02:08:39,139 among several celebrities joining the protest, 2010 02:08:39,222 --> 02:08:41,639 and marching with the demonstrators. 2011 02:08:42,930 --> 02:08:44,306 Say it with me: 2012 02:08:44,389 --> 02:08:46,972 I pledge to resist! 2013 02:08:47,055 --> 02:08:48,930 I pledge to resist! 2014 02:08:49,014 --> 02:08:52,930 She is not a fly-by-night activist. 2015 02:08:53,723 --> 02:08:56,347 It is deep in her soul. 2016 02:08:56,431 --> 02:09:01,431 There is no stopping that part of herself 'cause it feeds everything. 2017 02:09:01,930 --> 02:09:03,681 They wouldn't let us in, 2018 02:09:03,764 --> 02:09:06,848 but we can still take our money out! 2019 02:09:09,264 --> 02:09:12,014 There's this kinetic energy. 2020 02:09:12,097 --> 02:09:13,806 She won't stop. 2021 02:09:13,889 --> 02:09:16,681 She's on a mission. 2022 02:09:16,764 --> 02:09:20,180 This intent to do well 2023 02:09:20,264 --> 02:09:23,723 keeps her demons at bay. 2024 02:09:23,806 --> 02:09:29,180 Sometimes I want to say, "You don't need to prove anything else to anyone. 2025 02:09:29,264 --> 02:09:33,889 "You don't need to push... so hard, constantly." 2026 02:09:33,972 --> 02:09:35,681 But... 2027 02:09:35,764 --> 02:09:40,055 she is who she is and... 2028 02:09:40,139 --> 02:09:45,347 I-- I, quite honestly, I wouldn't change anything about her. 2029 02:09:50,306 --> 02:09:54,598 I had spent so much of my life feeling if I'm not perfect, no one can love me. 2030 02:09:56,306 --> 02:09:58,055 And then... 2031 02:09:58,139 --> 02:10:03,556 I realized that trying to be perfect is a toxic journey. 2032 02:10:03,639 --> 02:10:05,431 We're not perfect. 2033 02:10:05,514 --> 02:10:08,598 We have to love our shadow, 2034 02:10:08,681 --> 02:10:12,972 we have to embrace and accept our shadows. 2035 02:10:15,848 --> 02:10:19,848 And sometimes, good enough is good enough.