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I often wonder about the nature of reality.
About our relationship to the creative force
that forged the particles of our stars
entwined them with the molecules of our bodies.
Who are we?
And where are we actually sitting
within the architecture of our universe?
Are we alone?
Or is the answer simply stranger than we can think?
My name is Jeremy Corbell.
I seek to weaponize your curiosity.
And if you're ready to suspend your own prejudice,
welcome to the world of extraordinary beliefs.
Explosive stuff is coming out of here.
Something's going on right now.
Can you talk about that?
If everything goes as planned,
I think we are on the Eve of something momentous
that will change, on a tectonic level,
the UFO subject.
It's gonna be really big.
I think it changes the tone of how other media would treat
the UFO topic from here on now.
I hope so, anyway.
And it's gonna reveal some things that have been going on
for a long time.
Government involvement in studying
the phenomenon itself.
Yes, beyond just lights in the sky or radar returns,
they've been investigating
and looking into associated phenomenon.
Things that occur in proximity
with, what we call, UFO.
Things that you would think
the government would find too far out.
Will any of the fingers be pointing toward
Skinwalker Ranch?
Hopefully, this opens it up.
It changes everything.
Declassified videos,
authentic Department of Defense footage
published by theNew York Times in December.
The program received more than $20 million.
for it's work.
For nearly the last decade,
I ran a Sensitive Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
People I think have conflated the concept of a UFO
with whether we're visited by aliens.
The program produced documents
that describe sightings of aircrafts
with no visible signs of propulsion.
We're talking about unidentified flying objects, UFOs.
We have something here but don't know what it is.
We sure don't know how it works
and either way there's nothing we can do about it.
Nobody gives a about aliens.
Yeah. They're looking for things that might possibly be...
This is a potential threat and a grave one to our country.
What is DOD doing about it?
The so called Tic Tac UFO
was detected over several days in 2004
by personnel with the USS Nimitz battle group
off the coast of San Diego.
It didn't attack but it demonstrated
vast superiority over America's most advanced defense systems.
These observations match
with previous observations going well before that.
We have something coming into our airspace.
When it continues to happen as a pattern,
we know, become increasingly concerned.
Because it's not an anomaly. No, it's a trend.
This video was recorded off the coast of Florida in 2015.
That is in our airspace. It shouldn't be here.
You DOD, you CIA, you DHS,
had the responsibility of protecting us.
How did this happen?
And yet it's crickets.
Nobody wants to have a conversation.
My job in the government at the time, it was two fold.
To determine what it was and how it worked.
But I figured if we can answer at least those two first things
then every thing we would be able to explain later.
The technology of these crafts
is beyond anything known on Earth.
This is the story of a place.
It's been shrouded in secrecy
for more than 20 years.
There've been whispers,
but most likely you've never seen or heard the real dance.
I guarantee you that was the plan all along.
That's exactly what they wanted.
Imagine a place between shadow and substance.
A place where the world is thin.
To most, the location that invokes the darkest
and most hidden corners of terror.
Something prowls here, something lurks.
And if you hunt it, it's gonna hunt you back.
It's elusive,
manipulative,
and violent.
It's haunting more than haunted.
We don't really understand it.
Even after the largest scale scientific study
in history of the paranormal hotspot,
there are more questions than answers.
However, we do have some answers.
And that's what this story is about.
This is a hunt.
A hunt for answers to unformed questions.
A hunt for the unknown.
And the answers have been hiding at a ranch
at the center of it all.
I was like you until I wasn't.
When you're trying
to study something like the Skinwalker Ranch,
you gotta cast a really wide neck
Cause ultimately this mystery,
we don't know what the hell it is.
We know there's more to a story
when you are not allowed to talk about it.
That's a human burden.
Yeah, I mean it was frustrating in the beginning
because Colm and Bob Bigelow would tell me the stories
about what was going on in the property
and I couldn't tell anyone.
I couldn't write about it and it drove me crazy.
And I kept pestering him
and eventually, they thought,
"What the heck? We'll give it a try.
maybe we'll find out if there are other places like it.
The publicity will do us some good.
Maybe some other witnesses will come forward."
So, they allowed me to write those newspaper articles.
And we got a heck of a lot of attention.
There's a lot. I'm covering all this, huh?
Oh, my God.
There's some of this stuff I haven't seen in a long time.
It's overwhelming.
This is stuff, material that's specific to the ranch.
I've saved every scrap of paper ever since
Dr. Colm Kelleher and Bob Bigelow, sort of,
brought me into the loop about what was going on there.
I've been hearing about it for a couple of years
but wasn't allowed to say anything
and then eventually I talked to Bob Bigelow
to give me the permission to go to the ranch
and Colm Kelleher gave me a tour.
A couple of times.
And people forget, you know, they're familiar with the book
but they forget that my interest in it started this documentary.
Plenty of fresh book reviews.
Yeah.
Like a mustachioed and debonair Fox Mulder.
George Knapp wants to believe. So do I actually."
We got that reaction a lot.
"You guys didn't convince me."
Convince you of what?
We weren't trying to convince anyone.
We're trying to tell the story and asking people,
"Hey, help us figure this out."
'Cause we don't know what their explanation is.
Is there more to tell now?
There's a lot more to tell.
There's so many things that have happened on the property
since the book came out that have not been made public.
There's all kinds of people, hundreds of people
who have visited the property.
And it's like a Rorschach test.
They go there thinking they're
gonna see Skinwalkers or Bigfoot
and sure enough they do.
So, you take those accounts with a grain of salt.
Other times, people have had some pretty dramatic encounters
that they keep to themselves.
And some accounts have happened
to people who are very credible,
who had very dramatic encounters
and their stories have not been told
for reasons that I cannot explain right now.
But, um, those are the spookiest of all
because the consequences go beyond the property.
You could explain.
You won't explain.
I, I can't. I can't at this point.
It leads to a much bigger place and a much bigger understanding
of what we're dealing Without there.
It's not simply a haunted ranch.
It's not an activity that stays
confined to this particular piece of property.
It moves. It travels.
And there were actual events?
Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't remember
if we talked about it in the book
but the family, the Gorman family,
had experiences that followed them.
After they left the property it followed them for a while.
They're not the only ones that's happened to.
Since the book came out,
there have been other people who've been on the property.
They've seen stuff on the property.
They've had encounters where they were, basically told,
"Stop. You're not welcome here."
And then, it followed them.
And that's all I can say about it.
It's hard to find anybody in the Uintah Basin
who doesn't have some kind of an experience
with the UFO or Bigfoot or some other strange phenomenon
or somebody in their family.
So, we recorded a lot of that stuff on multiple trips.
That footage was recorded on different kinds of formats.
We collected information
and tapes from some of the witnesses
who had made their own recordings
and all of that material was saved with the idea
of producing a documentary or a series of documentaries
and then, we were asked to not proceed.
So, I basically canned it. Put it all in a box.
Most of the footage has never seen the light of day.
That's a mountain of tapes. What's on these tapes?
These are interviews we did.
We had tours of the property several times.
Robert Bigelow comments about the ranch,
cattle mutilations,
interviews with neighbors who had lost cattle.
Trying to get Mr. Bigelow to go on camera
to talk about it was difficult.
At the time I thought they got him to sit down
and open up about it.
It was the first interview
he had ever done on the subject.
Eventhough I had known him for 20 years
it was really tough to get him sit down
and talk about it.
So most of this video footage in this box
the world has never seen?
Yeah. This is 30 or 40 hours of material
that the public has never seen before.
This topic is deep.
It requires serious investigation.
It requires people to look at the evidence.
My curiosity became so overwhelming
that I could no longer be a passive observer
but I had to become an active participant.
The original story never seen by the public
can now be told.
And it's weaved into a tapestry
of new ongoing phenomenon and events.
This is a moment in time that can't be replicated.
This will never happen again.
The access to the ranch during the investigations
that will never happen again.
The time is right and the time is definitely now.
Notoriety of Skinwalker ranch exploded in 2005
with the publication of the book
Hunt for the Skinwalker which was written by
George Knapp and Colm Kelleher.
That book exploded this area on to the map.
George's documentation was exclusive.
It was happening while investigators were on the ranch.
I mean, there are no images from Skinwalker ranch.
There's no video.
There's no footage during these investigations.
The only footage of this
is in these archived boxes of George Knapp.
It was like Raiders of the Lost Ark,man.
Documents, and paperwork and footage, it's everything
that George Knapp has accumulated
over 20 something years.
He's the only journalist ever
allowed to be on the ranch and to document and film.
So, it's this incredible opportunity.
The footage was held back. It was embargoed.
It was shut off. So to be able to pull tapes
from that archive of those boxes,
it's really rare footage.
It's incredible that we are at the point
where it can be shown to the public.
Skinwalker ranch, this is like the Area 51
of the paranormal.
If any of this is true,
this is game changing.
Go public now.
So this is officially the second homestead
Down here, yes, the middle homestead
This is where this pretty hairy stuff has happened.
In the middle of the night,
in what looks like the middle of nowhere,
we slice into inky darkness
in the company of investigators
who've taken a bouncy ride down the same rugged road
hundreds of times.
They remember every barbed wire gate,
every curve and dip
and they remember, all too well,
the location of every bizarre encounter
they've documented since 1996.
The dirt trail is the only path through the property.
Seemingly, the only way anyone or anything
can get in or out.
Though there maybe other less obvious points of entry,
on moonless nights, the darkness hangs like a heavy blanket
smothering beams of artificial light.
Beyond 20 feet, it's blackness.
We stop at what's called the middle homestead,
where the gangly branches of towering cottonwoods
engulf stark weather beaten structures.
Rustic homes that have been empty
for 50 years or more.
Seriously, it's like the backdrop
for a slasher movie
except this wasn't created by a set designer.
This is the throbbing heart of Skinwalker ranch.
What is it about this place?
Not merely the ranch but the entire Uintah Basin.
It is a grand central station.
A place where everything from cattle mutilations
to Bigfoot to UFOs, flying objects,
they all seem to be congregated
on a 480 acre ranch in north-eastern Utah.
A lot of people, we understand,
have seen these things over the years in this area.
-Is that fair to say? -Uh...
Hundreds, hundreds of people, in my opinion.
I had some girlfriends that I kinda ran around with
back in '77, '78 and
they told me experiences that happened out by Bottle Hollow.
Lights that... forms that'll be above them
and they were scared.
At the ranch, as you all know,
it was not a single phenomenon.
It was not go out and watch a UFO.
Go out and watch, uh, you know,
the lights, like the Mur full lights or something
There were a host of things that happened.
When and where were quite unpredictable
except that they happened within a
relatively small geographic area.
The UFO manifestation activity here
ranges all over this country its...
The basin is a very,
I don't know what the square mileage is
but it's huge in northeastern Utah,
and to the Uinta mountains to the north of us.
The same type of paranormal activity
is demonstrated in many case histories up there as well.
For as long as humans have lived
in this part of northeastern Utah,
they reported strange things in the sky,
in and around their homes,
and sometimes, inside their heads.
A byzantine smattering of unusual phenomena.
A paranormal stew.
It's as if some other reality
occasionally bleeds into our world
giving us glimpses of the Universe next door.
On our first visit to the ranch,
we tried to get the attention of whatever it is
that lives here.
Sometimes, merely the arrival of outsiders is enough.
So, we hiked around, made noise, disturbed the earth.
And at night, we built a fire
out in the middle homestead
which has been a focal point
of dramatic and unexplained events.
We did everything short of painting a bull's eye
on our foreheads and then, we waited.
On the other side of the fire,
a man who spent 27 years
as a law enforcement officer in the Uintah Basin
he asked that we not use his real name.
So, we'll call him Preston.
There was one of the local newspapers who did a...
I guess you should call like a poll in this area.
Asked several people the question that
do you believe that there are...
in UFOs
and we believe that the Uintah Basin is a hotspot for it.
And, it was like four out of five,
the answer was yes.
And the majority of them said that they was undecided.
I don't know one individual
that absolutely said, "No, I do not believe them.
Or that they even exist."
And I'm referring to long time residents
of the Basin that had...
That was born and raised here in the Basin.
Preston remembers when the waves of reports
started pouring in to local police.
I think it was 1971, when I first started in law enforcement.
There were several reports of UFO sightings
that was put out to
like law enforcement officers in the field.
As I recall, there was three to four of those reports
that I received where I actually witnessed it
what I believed to be an unidentified flying object.
His wife also had multiple sightings.
One that coincided with a mutilated cow
on Preston's property.
And another, in 1995,
directly over Skinwalker ranch.
Preston interviewed his own wife in 1998
and wrote this report for a private research group.
The object his wife reported was shaped like a hexagon.
Aluminum colored with multiple lights.
What she described was four lights like connected to a bar.
They were just four large lights
that appeared over the ridge
and I was some distance away from her when she'd seen it.
She called it to my attention.
But before I could get there, they had disappeared.
This is probably the most studied real estate
in the history of the UFO phenomenon.
There has never been, to our knowledge,
a place that has had the same kind of focus
in terms of studying.
Uintah Basin isn't the middle of nowhere.
It's far removed from big cities
but that's how the locals like it.
The landscape is stark and beautiful.
The dirt and rocks rich in hydro carbons
and dinosaur bones.
But something here seems to be a magnet for the unknown.
It's been that way for a long time.
In the Uintah Basin unknown aerial objects
became so commonplace in the '60s and '70s
that locals became used to seeing them.
And outside investigators were drawn to the area.
One of them, Utah State University scientist Dr. Frank Salisbury
wrote a highly regarded book,
The Utah UFO Display.
After reading out that 90 percent of sightings
which were likely misidentifications
of known objects,
he focused on four hundred or so
well documented cases
involving unknown structured craft
of many shapes and sizes.
Salisbury obtained most of the case files
from life long resident Joseph Junior Hicks,
a local science teacher
who had educated generations of Uintah residents.
Hicks spent years driving the back roads of the Basin
to meet and interview eye witnesses.
Many of them were his former students.
And I said, "Can you see that? Look at that. That's amazing."
It was a round gray metallic looking thing.
In January 1999,
an oil company executive Gregory Todd
was driving home from work
talking on the phone to a co-worker
headed in the opposite direction
for the town of Vernal.
Todd noticed an object that looked like this.
Roundish, gray, metallic
with no wings or tail
traveling at a high rate of speed toward the ground.
And I say, "This is amazing."
And it came down and went behind some clouds
that were just kind of on the horizon.
I said, "That had to be humongous."
Then I thought, "Okay, explosion. Something." you know.
And I never did. There was nothing.
The next day he spoke to a group of friends.
And I said, "Okay, guys. I'm gonna ask you something.
Did you guys see something weird last night?"
And they just happen to be
coming down the Bluebell Road facing south.
And they say, "Yeah, we saw this round thing."
You know, and it wasn't even a big deal to them.
It's like, "Yeah, we just saw this round thing in the sky."
I thought, "Well, you know, think about it."
You know, and I said, then I said,
"Okay, that thing is big.
That was big. Whatever it was, it was big."
Cause Bluebell's 20 miles away.
I was five miles away from Roseville.
And three different groups saw it.
Few places in the world have had
so many sightings over
such a long period of time.
Not just decades but centuries.
The earliest report is from
the journal of Father Escalante,
the Spanish missionary who in 1776
led the first European party across the Basin.
But Uintah is much more than a UFO hotspot.
The objects seen in the skies
are benign distractions
compared to the bizarre events on the ground.
In particular, on this strip of green pasture
that's said to be in the path of the Skinwalker.
They believed that,
like you talk about the Skinwalker,
is extra terrestrial.
This is something that's in their culture.
It has been forever.
But this story is bigger than just the ranch.
This story is an ever pervasive river
churning and leeching
seemingly paranormal ooze
throughout the surrounding area.
It creeps to the edges.
If there is an unofficial UFO capital in Utah,
it's the northeastern corner.
Quietly and secretly
there's been a current that runs through this area.
Throw a rock in any direction
in the small town of the Uintah Basin
and you're likely to hit someone who's seen
anomalous aerial object.
The Basin is a UFO hotbed.
The locals are reluctant to talk about it with outsiders.
But the number of sightings
easily ranges in the thousands
The artificial consensus
is that more than half of the people
who live in the Basin have seen them
over the mountains, above the towns,
on roadways and oil fields.
Anomalous lights, manoevuring orbs,
and metallic crafts.
Objects, things, which are not easily explained.
Why so many and why here?
Roosevelt, Ballard, Fort Duchesne,
Uintah County.
For some the phenomenon provides
a Mecca for curiosity.
But for those that experience it,
it's corrosive.
Like an acid.
And it's been here a long time.
Stories of UFOs, poltergeist like occurrences
and creatures of all kinds
have popped the landscape
and residents throughout generations.
Normal people, hardworking people,
they're having extraordinary encounters
of every shape and shadow.
It's just part of life out here.
We purchased the property
as a living laboratory.
It's been a phenomenal laboratory.
I feel humbled. We did get a good education.
and I think we're still learning.
The NIDS guys used dogs as biosensors.
The dogs would be able to sense
that something was near and give them advanced warning.
They were uncannily accurate.
It's close to a hundred different incidents.
We've trained like hell to deal with this.
Animal mutilations,
red lights in the sky, animals being moved
into different locations.
No two incidents ever repeated themselves.
Training is meaningless and nothing was repeated.
And that has happened consistently.
It's still consistent.
This is a lot more than a human story, if you learn.
Consciousness plays a significant role
in this topic.
It's something that's completely
outside of our normal physics
and understanding.
This is something that is
beyond our normal means of calibrating.
It became obvious that we were along for the run
and not the ones in control.
Did you have an experience on the ranch?
My first visit there, it had been a down period.
Colm Kelleher told me,
"Look, the activity is, sort of, gone underground."
That's why I was allowed to go.
Because, maybe, they'd figured I can...
My own inherent weirdness quotient
I can stir something up
or I can, at least,
tell the world a little bit about the stories.
So, that we can find out
if there are other places like that.
So, I went to the property
and there was a couple of things that would happen
that would stimulate activity.
Historically, there's an arrival of a stranger.
That was me.
If you make a bunch of noise,
in particular, digging up the earth.
So, we did all that.
We, you know, I made a bunch of noise.
We built a fire out there.
We danced around it.
And then we got an earth mover
and dug a bunch of holes.
So, if there was something to be disturbed,
we did our best to disturb it.
And then they took me and put me on a chair
in the middle homestead
where some really bad stuff had happened.
And they left me there.
It was a pitch black middle of the night, middle of nowhere,
at a place that where the monster,
the predator type of monster had appeared,
where giant dark cloud had invaded a physicist mind,
where several cattle had been mutilated,
where a ball of light
to a dimentional warmhole had appeared.
I'm right there.
And they said, "See ya."
And they went a couple of hundred yards away
and put a camera on me to see if something came and got me.
And I'd like to tell people that
I was brave. I'm not afraid of this stuff
but I was. I was on edge waiting to see what would happen.
I'm thinking to myself,
"Look, okay, I'm fine with flying saucers coming here.
I'd like to see a ball of light, or orb or something like that.
That'd be really great.
But I don't really wanna come
face to face with predator monster.
The only thing that came to get me were mosquitoes.
So, I have had no anomalous experience on the ranch myself.
But I've interviewed all the people,
all the key players, every single one of them,
the people who'd been there for years.
The only people I haven't interviewed
is the Gorman family themselves. The Sharmans.
But I have all these transcribed interviews
that the NIDS folks had done.
And in all the material they collected
during the height of the study,
so I feel like I know.
And I've talked to the neighbors.
I've talked to people in town.
This stuff is real.
It's been going on a long time.
And everybody who lives there knows about it.
So George Knapp investigative reporter
and bait for Skinwalker ranch.
I was bait.
It's a good story to tell now.
It wasn't pleasant at the time.
It wasn't.
To indigenous locals,
this stretch of red sandstone is special
because it is quote "in the path of the Skinwalker,"
according to the members of the Ute tribe.
The first time we heard that phrase the reaction was,
"What's a Skinwalker?"
It's a touchy subject for many tribes including the Utes
whose sprawling nation covers
1.3 million acres in this country.
The Utes were ordered to move here
around the end of the civil war.
US Army built and staffed a fort to keep an eye on them.
Today, the Utes co-exist with their neighbors
while retaining their own government,
police force, businesses and culture.
This is something that's in their culture.
It has been forever.
Preston worked as a tribal police officer
for several years.
But says few of his Ute friends
are willing to talk about Skinwalkers.
Or you can compare it
to the myth that you hear of werewolves.
Like an individual that turns into an animal type being.
Most of them are very reluctant to talk about it.
In tribal lore,
a Skinwalker is an evil presence.
A sorcerer, and shape-shifter
who steals lives and souls.
Even mentioning the word is considered risky.
And this ridge said to be in the path of the Skinwalker
is a borderline of sorts.
It overlooks an island of private ranch property
surrounded by tribal lands.
The tribe doesn't prohibit members
from visiting the ranches,
but strongly warns against it.
In part because strange things seem to be concentrated here.
Skinwalker is sort of a blanket explanation
for a range of inexplicable events.
There does seem to have been a change
between the '70s and the'90s.
And they certainly have the effects
of the phenomenon on different people.
Where in the '70s, you didn't get the scary stuff
even in the Uintah Basin.
And we're going mostly on the testimony of Junior Hicks
and probably, a couple of dozen other witnesses.
Whereas, in the '90s,
most of the activity that we have
is centered around this ranch.
And that was all kind of very scary
poltergeist kind of stuff
that, it seems to have changed in character.
Eventhough the same silver disks have been seen.
Mexican hat type UFOs have been seen in the area.
But overlaid on that
you've got these multiple kind
of poltergeist psychic type stuff.
Biochemist Dr. Colm Kelleher didn't expect
to be sitting at a dark cow pasture
talking about Skinwalkers and poltergeist
when he signed on with NIDS.
The National Institute for DiscoverY Science
founded in the mid '90s
by Las Vegas billionaire Robert Bigelow.
Bigelow's life long interest in UFO research led to NIDS.
And to the ownership of this 480 acre ranch.
It's a somewhat twisted tale.
The property had been vacant for seven years
when in 1994, a family bought it.
It was their dream to raise
high end simmental cattle here
There's only one entrance.
A gate that displayed an eerie sign.
A single dirt road leads into the property
which is made up of three parcels.
The first homestead on the east side
is where the ranch house is located
along with the corral.
A second middle homestead
contains long abandoned buildings.
The third homestead is ringed by tall trees and underbrush.
A river flows on the south side of the ranch.
And on the north, the sandstone ridge.
The family of four had a startling encounter
on their very first weekend there.
From out of the brush,
on the south edge of the property,
they saw a huge canine walking towards them.
And they had put a couple of calves in this corral here.
And in this one here.
And they saw this wolf
was just trodding across the field here.
From this direction.
And it stopped occasionally.
There was a light rain.
It was a misty kind of a day
with light rain.
And so they were watching this wolf
as it was coming towards them.
And seemingly kind of unconcerned.
The family assumed the wolf must be someone's pet.
It was huge, but seemed tamed.
One of the calves
made the mistake of sticking it's snout
through the bars of the corral.
The wolf stuck his head into the corral
grabbed at the muzzle of the calf
in full view of these, tried to drag it out of the corral.
The calf, you know, was going wild.
So, Terry and his dad went over with, you know, stout sticks
and started beating on the wolf to try to let... get it.
Make sure that it let go of the calf.
Several times they beat on the wolf
without any affect whatsoever.
So, Terry asked his son to go in to get a 357 Magnum.
The son came out. The wolf was still dragging,
trying to drag the calf through the corral.
And Terry, sort of,
pointed the Magnum at the animal and shot it.
Now, as far as I remember,
he shot it either three or four times.
And it was from like increasingly close range.
First of all, it was from several feet
and then it was closer and closer.
On the fourth shot the animal, I believe, let the calf go.
But the animal was... didn't... the wolf,
didn't let out any yelps of pain.
There was no sign of blood.
There was no sign of distress.
The animal let the calf go and looked at Terry.
The rancher's son had run to the house
to retrieve a hunting rifle.
He handed it to his father.
Terry gets the 30 all six which, you know, can bring down an elk,
you know, from relatively long distance.
He shot at a distance of 20 feet.
And this time there was a big recoil from the animal.
You know, the animal, kind of recoiled
but still didn't give out any pain or anything like that.
But kind of backed off for maybe 10 feet 15 feet.
And Terry shot at it. It was actually a sixth time
with the 30 odd six.
And this time he saw a bunch of flesh that the bullet exited
from the animal with flesh.
And this time the animal just kind of turned on it's heel
and just troded off.
You know, almost casually.
And exactly where it had come from across
in that direction.
Now, you know,
the piece of flesh was lying on the ground
and they examined it later.
The father and son both armed with rifles
went after the wolf
catching glimpses as it moved through thickets
and following the deep tracks it left on the wet ground.
Well, what they did was they tracked the animal
all the way across to the creek.
There's a creek about half a mile in that direction.
They tracked the animal,
you know, they went after the animal
and they found that it's tracks just stopped suddenly
in a muddy bank right by the creek.
It just seemed to... The tracks went nowhere.
You know, they were going to a specific area.
They should not have vanished but they vanished.
But they came back then
and they found the piece of tissue from the animal
that had been blown off by the 30 odd six.
And to them it looked old, it looked almost like
the beginnings of decay, decayed flesh.
It blew them. This instance blew them away
because even a single shot
from a 357 Magnum
should have brought that wolf down.
Now, should remember that this wolf initially
was very friendly to them.
It actually walked right up to the dad
and the dad patted it on it's head.
I mean, so we're not talking about some kind of mirage.
We're not talking about some kind of hallucination.
This was a physical animal.
He patted him. He smelled like wet dog.
Think about it, I mean, where do you,
how do you characterize that?
There really is no context to even put that in
because it was a physical animal
that looked like it was flesh and blood.
They chalked it off as being totally bizarre.
They talked about it for weeks afterwards.
Because this was really the first incident
that they had encountered
just after moving on the ranch.
As I said they were just moving into the general area.
They were thinking about putting furniture to the house.
And this animal was between two and three times the size
of a normal wolf.
You know normal wolf would kind of come up to there,
well this thing was huge.
Later at the gate entrance,
the rancher's wife had another encounter
with the huge wolf as she entered the property.
The wolf was in the company of two black dogs
with over sized heads.
Months later when the family was asked to describe the wolf
by looking at a line up of different types,
they pointed to this beast
as the one closest to what they had seen.
It's a dire wolf.
And it's been extinct for 10,000 years.
We live in the middle
of some other kind of intelligence.
The secrecy begins with them.
Whoever they are.
These visitors, these entities that interject themselves
into our lives.
Who they are, why they're here, what their interest is in us
long term. We don't know the answers.
We can surmise but we don't know
the answers to any of the big stuff.
But we can say, I can say with certainty that
there is some kind of intelligence operating here.
That it shows us glimpses of itself from time to time
on it's own agenda.
But it is the architect of the secrecy.
I believe that there are aspects of consciousness
that associate with the UFO phenomenon.
That we have not addressed fully.
The global public is not ready
to have global confirmation on this.
A lot of disturbing things will occur.
They are just too powerful.
People have ignored these facts.
They like it to go away.
It's not going away.
It's not going away because the phenomenon itself
doesn't go away.
It's been with humans, every continent, every culture,
throughout human history.
It's here whether we like it or not.
And it's here today.
According to tribal lores,
some of the unusual events in and around the ranch
are believed to be the handiwork
of a shape-shifting entity known as a Skinwalker.
The Utes also believe that lights seen on the property
could be the spirits of long departed ancestors
that enter this world from under the ground.
But tribal members also see the same metallic UFOs
witnessed elsewhere in the Basin.
These objects appear to be
technological and not spiritual.
And the few of the encounters,
occur right in front of their faces.
That morning, when I noticed, when I did my rounds,
I usually go out the front door where I came.
Then go back all the way around the building.
That's when this voice appeared in my head
and said, "Hey, get back inside.
You shouldn't be seeing this."
"You shouldn't be out here.
And you shouldn't be seeing this."
"Go back inside. You're gonna miss your family."
The hull of the ship was like this.
I don't know if you've ever seen like the...
The Star Trek enterprise.
You know how the round shape of that.
It was like that. But like a black and dark gray.
And you were standing right here?
No, actually, I was standing right here.
And we're looking out this door here.
We didn't see the ship per se right there.
But, we saw the lights and like,
"Okay, now what the hell is going on?"
So we walked out here, me and a few more client,
looking up here and seeing this object
and we're like," What?" Then, we noticed that
it started kinda moving back a little bit.
I'd say we probably got about
close to right here
just looking at it and you can see it just like right there.
And the cloud and everything and the light
and that was so intense and you're just like this looking.
And then I was talking to Herb
and I was being like, "Hey, that's a UFO.
That's a fucking UFO."
And I remember swearing at the time too.
Now, we're standing and looking and I was looking like this
and, you know, something just going in through my head saying,
"Hey, you shouldn't be out here. You shouldn't be seeing this."
You know, and I was like, "Oh, shoot."
And I was like, "Hey lets go back inside."
So we started going back in and we were looking still.
That's why I said,
I wish people could have been awake at the time.
During that Sunday morning to see what I saw.
And I had people that seen it all the way up to Right rocks,
all the way down towards Fort Connor,
Randlett,
that were up at that time.
And those that were here, you know,
had that feeling like everything was dead silent.
There was just an eerie quiet silence.
No dogs were barking, no noise or anything like that.
And people at the store during the time of the blackout,
they opened the doors just to see
and they could see the colors.
"Hey, get back inside.
You shouldn't be seeing this.
Go back inside. You're gonna miss you're family."
I kind of stopped in my tracks
and I was like, well, you know, thinking in my head,
"Fuck this shit. I'm gonna go back inside."
I ain't gonna get abducted.
So, you're standing there. Where did it leave?
When you went back in,
was it still here when you went back in?
Yeah, it was slowly moving back that way
and just making it's way towards the south.
And then I got back in,
and then right when we got inside,
that's when the female house manager said,
"Hey, look." And that's when I was right outside like this.
Just like this. Looked outside through the window
and there's this flash That's it.
Lights out.
- Just like a light switch. - It's lights off.
It gives me the chills
and I just don't... It's just stuck in my head.
I mean it wasn't a very big ship
but it was big enough I guess you could say.
It was pretty close though.
It was too close for comfort.
The incident with the bullet proof wolf
was only the beginning for the ranch family.
During their mind-numbing 20 months on the property,
the ranch morphed
from a seemingly idyllic setting
into a mental and emotional torture chamber.
Why, the rancher wondered,
that the previous owner insist on being notified
before any digging was done on the land.
Soon enough, he understood.
At different times of the day and night,
the family felt the ground shake.
And heard the sound of metal on metal coming from below.
As if a steel mill or rail road operated under their feet.
And there was clear evidence from what they felt
was that there was some kind of, a lot of machinery,
noises of machinery, noises of technology,
that seemed to come from either underground
or deep in the ridge.
Just to the north of here.
They also found that anytime there was a disturbance,
for example, sometimes they dynamited tree stumps
from the ground.
They noticed that there was a big increase in the activity
immediately following dynamiting these stumps.
In other words, large holes in the ground.
They couldn't figure out why.
On some nights large sections of the pasture
would light up, illuminated
by an unknown source in the sky.
Other times, the family witnessed beams of light
shoot out of the ground.
Vehicles would stall, batteries would die
while crossing particular points on the property.
Equipment would vanish into thin air.
On a few nights, family members heard mocking voices
speaking an unknown language
seemingly emanating from the sky
a few feet above their heads.
So many of the events on the ranch were palpable
but fleeting.
It meant the credibility
of the rancher and other witnesses
would eventually be evaluated.
He was a expert marksman,
tracker, hunter, horseman,
cattle breeder and he didn't really touch farming
but he had a college education and degrees and certifications
that, I believe, attested to the fact that he had a lot
of tidy technical training in animal husbandry.
So he was scientifically astute to some extent.
Eric Davis is a PhD physicist
who would later spend four years on the ranch.
Just part of a wide-ranging investigation
looking not only at the property
and the events that occurred
but also conducting extensive background checks
into the family, their history, their neighbors.
He is not the only witness.
This has been going on.
Not only the Indians have been seeing it
but a lot of people.
Right. It wasn't just him.
It was his wife, his two children, his neighbors.
The whole Uintah valley has a 50 year history
of phenomenon that the Mormon community
and all the other non-Mormon members of the community
have been experiencing since the 1950s.
This includes County Woods supervisor members,
judges, the sheriffs of the various county Sheriff Departments.
Tell me about the rancher.
When you came up here, you got to know him.
You had beers and barbecues.
Excellent, excellent.
At first, you thought maybe this guy is off his rocker.
Well, because due to the fact that
480 acre parcel
of paranormal Disneyland down there
had so much phenomena experienced by him and his family.
You know, different aspects of it. The mutilations,
the opening up of the sky, the holes in the sky,
to the different craft to the poltergeist
to the different entities
including UFOs on the ground,
voices in the air and so on and so on and so on,
I thought this is... There was just too much expression here.
I had some doubts there
upon visiting with him the first time.
Ryan Layton has chased Uintah UFO story
since the '80s.
He introduced himself to the rancher whose real name
has been reported elsewhere.
We'll call him Tom Gorman.
When did you come to believe
about his truthfulness, his character.
I believed he was being extremely truthful
and I think his character is outstanding.
And I could see that he was, indeed, affected emotionally.
As you know, he was also angered because of it.
This wasn't a joyful thing for him, as you know.
Layton visited Gorman on the ranch four times
and was told about many but not all of the bizarre things
that were still unfolding.
One incident was distinctly physical.
It happened in the third homestead.
Someone dug large dibbits into the pasture.
A photo was included in the 1996 newspaper story.
The scoop marks were just an oddity in the pasture there.
Some were three to four feet in diameter.
And there were scoop... dozens of them in there.
Not a natural type of occurrence.
During one of our visits, Colm Kelleher
showed us where it happened.
Each of the scoops would have weighed hundreds of pounds
meaning some kind of heavy equipment
would have been needed.
But how did it occur without the rancher noticing?
The rancher came out one morning
and was checking down in this area with his cattle.
He noticed this scoop mark here
and another one just down here.
And a third one further down here.
Well, they'd have to take down a series of gates for one
and what would be the reasoning
for taking such a large massive soil sampling
out of that particular section of that...
I mean, what is to be gained by scooping out dozens of
odd scoop marks in the pasture?
That incident came in the middle of a wild period
for the family.
From the first day they moved on to the ranch,
they felt like they were being watched.
At night, they would hear the sounds of heavy footsteps
outside their windows
and would see the outlines
of black faceless figures peering in.
Eventually, the footsteps and the figures entered the house.
There were dozens of unexplained events.
Locked doors would open and slam shut.
Objects would vanish then reappear somewhere else.
The Utes might describe all this
as the work of a trickster.
We would more likely call it a poltergeist.
Eventually, the family would help investigators
to compile this list of incidents they remembered.
Three young men including the rancher's son
spent four hours moving a pile of heavy corral poles
to a spot near the canal.
Later in the day, the entire pile had been moved
back to its original spot.
But just an inch off.
In another instance, a ton of port wood
stacked on one side of a field
somehow appeared on the other side of the field
in a space of about 30 minutes.
Tools, pliers, gloves, even a chainsaw
vanished while being used.
The chainsaw reappeared a hundred yards away.
A post hole digger vanished from a field
during the rancher's brief lunch break.
After he bought a new digger,
the next day, the first one reappeared
delicately balanced up in a tree.
The rancher placed a new flea collar on his dog's neck.
It disappeared within a day.
Twenty four hours later, it was back on the dog.
Kitchen utensils would go missing
while the rancher's wife was cooking meals.
And would later turn up in the fridge,
or freezer, or microwave.
The wife would lock the bathroom
door when she took a shower.
When she got out of the shower,
her towel and hairbrush were gone
though the door was still locked.
Weeks worth of groceries would be unpacked
and put away in cupboards.
Minutes later the groceries were back in the shopping bags.
Ryan Layton was present on the ranch
while some of the incidents were still happening.
Did Terry ever describe to you seeing the beings
and things of that sort?
Or any of the poltergeist trickery kinda things.
Yes, he did describe some of the trickery things.
What did he tell you about it?
Oh, particularly his fence post,
-His, um, -Post hole digger?
Post hole digger, yes,
where he looked long and far became extremely frustrated,
looked for it and there it was Approximately to 40 feet up the tree
a couple of days later.
- Things in the house-- - Yeah, things in the house would
move around and also I do remember the story about,
which stands out in my mind,
or when you mention the poltergeist activity.
His son... I should tell you the high strangeness
of this type of objects,
His son had cut, with some friends, a cord or two of wood,
and placed it in some distance.
Maybe a hundred yards away from the location
and it had been moved.
He came in to get a drink of water
and it was moved.
The whole quarter of wood?
Yeah, the whole quarter wood, you know, in just a few moments.
I believe it was about a hundred yard distance
or something of that nature.
Junior Hicks, the science teacher,
who investigated UFO cases said,
"These trickster incidents were common among other witnesses
who'd encountered UFOs.
But it often took a long time for them to open up
about their unusual experiences."
The family needed help.
And help was on its way.
Bob Bigelow is one of the most
enigmatic individuals
that we hear about.
The guys got two private
orbiting space stations for study.
He's an individual connected through government contracts.
Skinwalker ranch, he's allowed you
to be there a number of times.
He's really let you in.
Bob Bigelow is probably the most misunderstood person
in the entire field of ufology.
He's not an ufologist.
He's a wealthy businessman
who happens to have an interest in the topic.
He has spent more money trying to pursue UFO truth,
than any person in the history of the world.
What is Bigelow's end game?
What is his curiosity?
What is his interest? Why is he doing this?
The interest is personal.
It comes from family experiences.
It's what got him hungry about the topic to begin with.
People have this craziest ideas about Bob Bigelow.
I've seen the descriptions of him.
He's shadowy, he has a drug business,
he is in the tea business,
he is a gun runner, he is a casino owner.
Crazy stuff.
He's only interested in this
so he can capture the technology
and build his own spacecraft
and take the elite off this planet.
All he's done is give his resources
to trying to find out what's going on.
You know, for example, he gave a million dollars
to the UFO organizations
and told them, "Here's a million dollars.
You don't have any resources,
you're always bitching about not having any money,
here's a million bucks."
You just gotta find a way to get along
and divvy it up and make sure it goes to actual research.
Of course, they fucked it up. They fucked it up.
Cause they couldn't get along.
He said, "I wanna establish a training program
where we have a strike force kind of a rapid response team.
So, when you got a UFO flap,
you've got a big case,
you can, you got the money to jump on a plane,
send some people there, have boots on the ground and investigate it.
And of course he was pilloried for it.
He created NIDS.
National Institute for Discovery Science.
He was so disgusted by
MUFON, by the UFO organizations
and their lack of progress,
he created his own UFO organization.
There's never been a gathering of great minds
as great as these
in one pursuit of UFO truth
in the history of the world.
This board that he put together,
the make up of this board, some of their names
still are not public.
They don't want it to hurt their careers
But, man, it's an amazing group of people.
And I've been there.
And they don't come in with an agenda.
They weren't there to create their own flying saucer fleet.
The idea was
they devout their time, their own time,
to pursuing the UFO truth.
Because they thought
there's something important going on here.
It's worth spending our time
to pursue this.
And they gave a lot.
Volunteered a lot.
And no one gave more than Bigelow.
And no one has been beaten up more than Bigelow
because of it.
It's ridiculous.
Is there something that has shaken Bigelow?
Or shaken you about the ranch?
Bob's interest in the ranch was primarily an interest in UFOs.
He bought the place
because people had been seeing UFOs.
You know, the flying saucers, traditional UFO stuff.
That was his interest.
But, of course, as he learned,
as he and his team learned,
there's a lot more to it than that.
They had no idea what they were getting I think.
When they bought the place,
they heard bits and pieces, here and there.
They interviewed the family and heard these stories
But, I don't think, they could possibly imagine
how far it would go.
Have there been experiences there that have shaken
the people involved?
Absolutely.
And I think Bob Bigelow would be included in that.
I can't tell you.
I can't tell you what it is
but I can tell you, he's had,
he's had some dramatic episodes
that have convinced him that something is real.
And his team has had those episodes.
I mean, these are PhD level guys
who have worked for
every three letter agency you can imagine.
Who are there because they wanna know what's going on.
They've worked for the Pentagon, and CIA, and other agencies,
and in scientific think-tanks.
Bright, PhD level people
who are there investigating this mystery
and it has scared the shit out of them.
I mean, it's confronted them directly.
It's one thing to be reading about UFOs
or other realities or interdimensionals in a book.
It's another thing,
to be staring at it right in the face
and for it to be communicating with you and telling you,
"Get out. You're not welcome."
And that's happened there.
In 1978, a local newspaper
reported high activity in the Uintah Basin.
Silver dome shaped objects were seen.
Flying saucers.
Some witnesses observing the display
from close proximity.
From underneath the craft.
UFOs were buzzing the locals
with jagged green lights like fire.
Nothing really changes.
It's constant.
The phenomenon is engaging people.
It's a pattern of close encounters.
It's commonplace.
People hunt because scientists investigate the carnage.
The NIDS team tried to quantify the performances.
They created controlled studies for plant growth.
They monitored the environment.
They calculated the barrier rules.
They analyzed every event.
But mostly, they waited
for the phenomenon to express itself.
And the phenomenon seemed to toy with them.
To play games with them.
Silence followed by dramatic displays of control.
It did what it wanted.
It does what it wants
to anybody.
- What's your name? - My name is Janice Poowegup.
And where do you live in relation to Skinwalker ranch?
I just live west of Skinwalker ranch.
What was that exact moment
when you transitioned from being skeptical
and a non-believer to being a believer?
Yeah. Describe the incident itself.
The four Heifers were in the north field and I could hear them bellowing
But we couldn't figure out where they were.
My bright idea was,
well, let's get the spotlight... At nighttime,
let's get that spotlight
and we'll go through the tree line like this.
You have to see eyes.
That'll give us a general idea of where they're at at night,
so we can set up panels
and run them back over to the house.
So we're going... They were bellowing,
but I could see nothing.
So I turned it on, I said, okay, let's listen.
When I went let's listen, that's when that light
it came clear from the sky.
And then hit, like this.
And it lit up the whole truck.
And it physically hit you, the light?
Yeah, it literally came down in,
and lit up everything.
I was like, "Wait a minute."
And I turned back, and I said, "That's not possible.
That is not possible."
And that's when I started, like,
"Something's here, and it's real."
And I just got a eyeopener.
'Cause I was a non-believer before that.
So that was the experience that changed it for you,
-where you realized... -Mm-hmm.
I'm sorry.
I just couldn't go on for a minute.
Forgive me.
Thank you.
What's overwhelming?
'Cause my neighbor, um, Charlie Wynn...
After that
big mothership, or whatever you wanna call it, or,
I don't know.
He'd stop by, every day, on his way home from work.
His face was so red.
I couldn't believe it.
When I looked up, he said that
light hit me, it scared the shit out of me so bad,
he said, "I was crawling in the ditch,"
to get that water to...
cool him off.
He got cancer, and it killed him,
and I was... I wonder if it was from that.
'Cause, I mean, you could...
It was like, you know how somebody has like a real bad burn, and it's just,
so red and deep.
This is something that is really important
for this whole story. This phenomena.
So, can you just tell me what that wave of emotion was?
My son was diagnosed just last year, and,
it's hard to deal with it because that's your baby, you know, and...
when it first started out, it was like,
I was hitting brick walls.
And I'm like, "Lord, you know I'm not the perfect person."
But, why?
- Do you fear that the phenomenon...
has something to do with these illnesses?
Like, with your son and your friends?
It kind of makes me believe because,
like I said, my son was strong as a bull.
So there is a element of fear for the ones you love.
Yeah.
That there is a, a malevolence to it, you know,
and evil, that seems to be attacking
-the health of those you love. -Yeah.
That... That is something you believe to be true?
Yes.
Have all the people, have been exposed
-to some kind of experience? -Yeah.
What question is it that you would like answered?
What answer are you looking to find?
Is it really real or is it some kind of, the government's building?
Is it really
like an entity or beings or...
Is it real or is it government made-up?
What do you think?
I think it's real.
A beast prowls the darkness outside of Skinwalker ranch.
It's Lucy, the wonder dog.
She made the long drive with us to the Uintah Basin
in part because Lucy can see and hear things that we can't.
The same reason as the NIDS team relied on dogs during the long study of the ranch.
Dogs were considered to be friends as well as biosensors,
able to detect unusual activity beyond the range of human sensors.
Soon after Robert Bigelow purchased the property,
the NIDS team built observation towers in three pastures,
with sturdy metal fences around each tower.
On many nights, dogs were stationed inside the fences.
The construction of those, uh, dog runs on the... on the, um,
the viewing platforms also was kind of like a communication thing.
The idea was to put dogs in the dog runs
who... who are extremely good biosensors.
They would alert the humans, but at the same time,
um, during the construction of these dog runs,
there was a whole bunch of anomalies happened at these dog runs.
An unknown trickster kept opening the gates and letting the dogs loose.
Perplexed, NIDS secured the gates with thick wire.
The wire vanished. Then they installed strong padlocks.
The padlocks disappeared.
Gates were left open.
Um, the... the locks were gone.
There was a whole, there was like, eight, I think seven or eight
separate incidents that happened at several of these dog runs just after construction.
And if you wanted to read a message into that,
you could say the same sort of thing that, you know, these,
these measures are essentially useless.
They can be interfered with.
They can be compromised, they can be screwed with.
And there's nothing that you can do about it.
Kelleher and the NIDS team were initially optimistic
after Robert Bigelow bought the so-called UFO Ranch,
the team brought in its own double-wide command center,
installed surveillance cameras and other sensors
and tried to find prosaic explanations for the wild stories.
They surveyed the basin for geomagnetic anomalies,
searched the property for hallucinogenic plants,
interviewed the family, their neighbors and a wide circle of other eyewitnesses.
There's a lot of people interested in this stuff and you get a lot of calls.
The scientists on the team were not there to confirm local myths.
NIDS was designed to be a high-risk, high-payoff institute.
Quite a high risk for the topic we were after.
That ranch, uh, I think was the epitome of what we were after.
Like I said, it was a living laboratory, uh,
that we could set-up and control the conditions.
We can rigorously monitor the environment.
We can rigorously attempt to monitor the phenomenon
as it moved within that environment out there at that ranch.
Physicist Dr. Eric Davis,
who has worked for military think-tanks and prominent labs,
was skeptical about UFO tales and spooky stories
until he made his first visit to the ranch.
That's when he and others witnessed an orange globe
that turned blue, then landed.
There happened to be a clear orange ball,
and then a mist would appear and it'd be blue again,
and so forth. And it alternated this way until finally,
uh, descended below the background mountains and it descended in...
Now, when I mean below, I mean the mountain tops.
It didn't descend behind the mountains.
It descended in front of the mountains.
That sighting occurred before NIDS installed its camera system.
But even with cameras positioned around the property,
the phenomena proved elusive.
We had cameras that were recording data on a continuous basis.
Uh, frequently, things would happen just off the camera.
Like it knew where you're looking,
says, "Okay, we'll do this where you're not looking."
The cameras did catch perplexing images over the years.
Darting orbs that seemed under intelligent control.
A fan-shaped ray of lights recorded more than once near the bottom of the ridge.
Something resembling an aircraft contrail that emanated from the ground.
And this, the ghostly silhouettes of structures
that reminded the team of New York's Twin Towers.
The images are evidence, but of what?
By 1998, the NIDS team already had 78 incidents from the vicinity of the ranch.
Including 11 nuts and bolts structured craft reports.
As well as a few dozen orbs of different colors.
And another that sliced the tops off several trees in the third homestead.
The ranchers showed the damage to Ryan Layton, and joked,
it must have been a case of pilot error.
Uh, the top part of the trees were kind of, almost squared out.
Almost like in a square.
And those are probably
well, maybe 80 to 100 feet tall cottonwood trees, and uh,
the branches were probably say, 40 to 50-60 feet.
Some of the branches,
very lengthy, and they were on the ground, and they had broken off.
That same section of the property
is where the rancher saw his first UFO.
He initially thought it might be a wayward Winnebago
that somehow got onto his property.
It was shaped like a refrigerator, like box-shaped,
with a light on one end of it.
When he first saw it in the distance, he was with his nephew.
And, um, it was,
it was dark but he saw the light
and he presumed that they were hunters,
or they were somebody trespassing on his property.
So, he and his nephew started walking towards it.
It started moving slowly away from where they were walking,
and, um, this all happened further, further east of here.
But the thing started clearing a fence,
and that's when they, they began to think something unusual was happening.
And they couldn't actually see the shape of it until
they kept on pursuing it,
and then it went over a tree line.
So an RV that goes over a tree line?
Yeah, it actually went over the tree line, and as it was silhouetted against the sky,
they saw the shape of it.
It was like a, like a refrigerator, flying refrigerator.
And it was completely silent.
Ground zero for odd sightings was always the middle homestead.
At nights, lights and orbs could be seen floating through the creaky old buildings.
It's also where the rancher had multiple sightings of the most puzzling object.
An orange, glowing hole in the sky.
Gorman told Kelleher and others the orange ball seemed to be a portal.
And on the other side, was a quote "different sky."
On at least one occasion, the rancher saw a smaller object
fly out of the orange orb, into the sky over his property.
The exotic possibility that the ranch might be a portal to another world
has occurred many times to the NIDS team. But how to prove it?
In August 1996, the portal theory erupted again
in a stark demonstration.
The rancher and an investigator were conducting a night surveillance atop the ridges.
They spotted a hovering ball of light in the middle homestead.
An object that was seen four feet off the ground.
Um, it looked like a, a dull yellow light.
I mean, it was innocuous.
hovering over the road, it just appeared out of nowhere.
And then it begins to expand and grow and then it opens up into about approximately
three-foot wide opening.
As they turned on the night vision equipment they had,
and lo and behold, everything from a dull yellow light
became like a three-dimensional, looked like a three-dimensional tunnel.
That was just, you know, hovering over the ground.
Where there's a light shining from, coming out from within of this opening.
On the other side of the opening it's just a natural background of the ranch.
They see the road, they see the grass from the pasture, and so forth.
Slowly, this incident unfolded,
where they saw this, what looked like a humanoid creature
crawling and literally elbowing
his or her way through this, this tunnel.
Hovering four feet above the ground.
And out of this opening crawls a very large,
what I understood to be an eight-foot tall
black creature with a head and no neck, and a torso, arms and legs.
No details or features noted on it.
There was a second witness standing right beside
the other guy with the infrared technology.
All he could see was a dull yellow light
that expanded to about four feet in diameter.
It just, literally, grabbed the outside edges of this opening,
pulled itself through, came out, stepped on to the dirt road,
and ran off into the darkness.
The creature stood up,
once it got out onto the ground, and walked away into the darkness.
I mean, can you imagine two people on the top of a cliff,
or, a, sort of a, a bluff, 150 feet off the ground, and in the middle of nowhere.
And, uh, then the opening began to shrink and collapse in on itself,
and turned into a brilliant light that just faded away.
That's a perfect description that was given by Matt Vizer and John Kramer
and Bob Forward and other colleagues of theirs
in a physical review paper on the optical nature of wormholes.
I mean, that is not, I would say, military technology.
That's some kind of a phenomena,
that has, it smacks of inter-dimensional phenomena.
Tribal elders believe this ridge is a path used by the Skinwalker
as it moves from one place to another.
The question becomes, where does it live?
The answer, according to the tribe, is Dark Canyon.
A place steeped in legend and superstition,
dominated by tall pines and spirits from other realities.
With the help of our Uintah friends,
we obtained something rarely given.
Permission from the tribe to bring our cameras
into the heart of Dark Canyon.
We soon found that the name fits.
While there, we heard encounter tales
from a young woman named Shelby.
It was reflective, and the reflection over light was what caught my eye.
As we were watching the hikers come up and over the mountain,
up in the corner,
like in the crook of the mountain,
there was a saucer that had come up
and over and down and back down,
and I tried pointing it out to her
and she was too late, but,
- The saucer? - Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty significant in size.
Classic flying saucer?
I don't think there was anyone else in my family
who was willing to admit what goes on.
Is this the kind of thing that runs in the family?
For me and my mother, it does.
You think it's because you and your mother are open to this?
I don't necessarily think we're open to it.
I think that it comes to us.
Is this your first time talking about it publicly?
Yeah.
Are you worried about the reaction?
I am, just because of my profession.
I... I worry that it's gonna follow me, and...
You work in public education.
So I guess you have to worry what will my employer think about it?
Yeah.
You ever told your... Anybody you work with that you had experiences
-that we'll discuss? -I have.
Everybody has a... Their story.
A lot of the times, with my experiences, I've,
I put them on a shelf and I don't like to think about them
or revisit them because they've,
impacted, or I try not to let them impact me.
I'm so disassociated with it that I don't, I don't think about it.
I think that's something that I've repressed.
You have a missing time experience?
I do.
Can you share that?
I woke up around 1 o'clock, and I remember
that I sat up. I remember being aware of what I was doing,
but not having control over what I was doing.
And I got out of bed, and I walked into the living room dining area,
and I looked to their, um, to their,
their window that was, that oversaw their dining room table,
and I remember seeing two bright spot lights.
And, next thing I remember was, I was facing the opposite direction,
more towards their stove, looking at their clock.
And, at that time, it was 8 o'clock, and I went back to bed, and...
- So five or six hours had passed? -Yeah.
And you're standing, looking at a stove?
Yeah.
-And you don't know how-- -I don't know how I got there.
Tell us a little bit about the nature of the light, how bright?
I remember it illuminating the entire area.
How bright? What was the nature of the light?
Undescribable.
- It was-- - How would you describe as bright?
It was brighter. It was, I can't even,
describe to you. Like, no LED, no flashlight
nothing can compare to the brightness of those lights,
and to the whiteness of the lights.
Brighter than the sun, it's like nothing we've seen before.
These experiences, have they changed you?
I think so.
What's it about this area, the basin?
Or is it the tribe? Is it the people who live here
that attracts all this different stuff?
-I don't know. -Or is it everywhere?
I don't know. I don't have a clue.
Some people call them, they were referred to as hitchhikers.
That these things follow you around.
From my own experiences, if you invite something,
it will come and it will become attached to you.
And it'll stay attached until you tell it to leave.
The unfortunate thing is, this weird phenomena
is not amenable to laboratory testing.
Where we can control the conditions.
We thought we could. We attempted to.
We tried as much as we could within the boundaries of our budget,
to control conditions, and it turned out,
the phenomenon controlled us, and controlled itself.
It basically did everything it could to avoid us, absolutely.
It did not want to engage in or interact with that much
after the first year and a half.
That we were there working on that property.
That phenomena, I am sure was cognizant of our presence there.
And basically did not want to allow us to detect it.
Put... Record it and film it in any form or fashion.
Like the investigators who tried to crack
the mysteries of the ranch,
physicist Dr. Eric Davis became frustrated
by the elusive nature of the target.
Dr. John Alexander, the former Army intelligence officer,
coined the term precognitive symbiant intelligence
to describe the entity on the ranch.
Precognitive because it could anticipate what came next.
One of the things that happened
in Uintah, at the ranch, that was very perplexing,
was it seemed like whatever was presenting the phenomena to us,
knew what we were going to do,
and what was gotta be a response.
And we would do something different.
The family that lived on the property
felt from the beginning that it was being watched.
That something was pulling strings, playing tricks.
Of all the strange incidents that were reported on the ranch,
one in particular stands alone.
that there's a trickster element to it.
Yeah, there's a trickster element to it.
And I think the, the biggest one that really would
blow most people's minds,
scientists or anybody trying to analyze this,
'course it's the account of the bulls in the trailer.
There were four 2,000-pound bulls, in this, uh, in this
little corral here.
1999, earlier in the day,
the rancher had come across strange tracks
in the dense brush on the edge of the middle homestead.
Tracks unlike anything he'd ever seen.
The family was on edge because by that point,
they'd lost a dozen or more head of expensive cattle.
They couldn't afford to lose anymore.
About two o'clock in the afternoon,
um, the rancher and his wife, uh, were driving past
on their way down to the west end of the property to check on their other animals.
So, these were their four best thoroughbred
uh, registered, um, Black Angus and Simmental bulls.
They were, like, very valuable animals, thousands of dollars each.
And, you know, Terri and Gwen are the rancher and his wife.
As they were driving past, remarked on how devastating it would be
to them, financially, if they lost those animals.
It was as if someone overheard their concerns.
When they returned to the corral an hour later...
and they were driving past the corral here on this track, when they realized,
no bulls. The bulls were gone from the corral.
So they panicked, you know. They, they ran over here,
um, searching, and, the entire corral was empty.
And then, just out of, out of, kind of, instinct,
the rancher climbed over into the corral, into this corral here,
and walked over to this trailer.
Trailer was used to store tools and other equipment.
There was only one way into it.
And the only latch was still secured by heavy wire.
Just as the rancher had left it.
The door was still locked.
This latch was actually pulled way down here.
It was obvious it had never been opened.
Um, it was pulled down here.
This was locked.
Um, this doorway here was open.
And, um, he looked in, and all four animals
were, were standing there, like totally dazed.
And, to work with even a single bull,
getting them into an enclosed space like this,
would be almost impossible.
To get four 2,000-pound bulls into
a tiny, tiny enclosed space where they were
squashed up against each other,
uh, would be completely impossible.
But anyway, Terri yelled, or the rancher yelled to his wife
that he had found the animals. And his yell
just seemed to wake them up out of this catatonic trance or daze they were in.
And suddenly, they just went ape when they realized they were in this cramped space.
They went crazy. They started kicking down the sides of this thing.
And they kicked one of the doors.
There is a boarded door at the other end there.
They kicked the door open and they, and they just went absolutely wild.
They destroyed the inside of this, uh, trailer in like, minutes.
Eventually,
it took the rancher and his wife about four hours
to herd the animals back, back through here, and in here.
And, in the space of an hour,
um, something had induced or forced
or persuaded those four extremely aggressive animals
to cram themselves into this trailer.
Without opening this door. This door was not opened.
Uh, because we actually checked that, to see.
There was cobwebs and all of that on the inside of the door.
And it was quite obvious from this, uh, from this set-up here,
that this had not been moved at all.
We've moved it back and forth when we've examined this
since then, but, um,
these animals, in response to what Terri or, the rancher and his wife had said,
obviously had been put in there, some kind of a prank, whatever.
Again, to underline anxiety, to create anxiety,
in the rancher and his wife that they had lost their animals.
This is a photo of the bulls taken a few hours after they were released.
And they were still in a surly mood.
The NIDS team wasn't on the property at the time of the incident,
but arrived soon after.
Almost as strange as the treatment of the bulls
was the physical evidence left at the scene.
The bars of the corral had been magnetized.
Examining this metal structure,
all along the length of the metal structure,
it was extremely highly magnetized.
The entire, uh, corral here,
there was a magnetic field deviation for several hours on this corral,
and then it just kind of dissipated.
But, um, very strong magnetic field,
along this entire length of corral.
That was the only clue that was found to what happened here,
and it doesn't even tie into how exactly it happened.
So, you can't just say it was teenagers
who came into the corral and got these bulls into this thing?
No, you need to be extremely, even to get one bull into this, this corral,
I mean, forcing a bull to climb, even climb up this,
into an enclosed space, it's just impossible, you know.
And, and the fact is, it was verified pretty well convincingly,
that this door had not opened.
-In the... -I thought that's the only way in.
-Huh? -But that's--
That's the only way in from the corral.
I mean, it's another one of these brain teasers, you know.
How exactly was it done? Why was it done? All of that.
In the Uintah Basin, you were being visited
by something that appears to be non-human.
-Mm-hmm. -Yes.
What is your full name?
My name is Garrie Walking Leeback Poowegup.
I got to talk with your mom and kind of hear her perspective
over months and months on the phone, and finally we had a interview.
The moment that changed your mom's ideas.
-Do you know the one I'm talking about? -Mm-hmm.
-What happened? -It was dead night.
We had just stepped out of our truck.
I'm just walking my own way, and she's walking this way,
then outta nowhere,
and it just lit up, bright as this, this, as you see in the windows,
that's how bright it was,
just went back to black.
That's what I hear from so many people, they always said,
-it was, it was brighter than the sun. -Mm-hmm.
We've had a lot of reports of lights from the sky coming down and hitting people.
And some people have gotten sick from that.
Uh, like birds, and you described one experience of that.
Yes.
There have been negative health effects on the birds.
So, just to get personal, let me ask you first.
You have a medical condition.
Uh, yes.
Can you tell me about that?
That is, uh, MNS. I got MNS.
I'm only 30 years old.
First one in family history, I'm the only one.
It's, it's hard for your mom. I can see she is...
It's hard for her, right? I mean, any family.
Yeah.
One thing she asked, is, she was curious if
these lights had any negative impact on your guy's health.
Um, do you feel there's any connection to that?
Or do you feel it's just not that?
Not feeling like it's not.
These things you're seeing.
I remember I was just hearing that ringing again,
but it was only on one side. On my left side.
I used my cane and I walk around and get right here.
I saw the moon, as bright it was.
Then I just see this object, a white object,
circling, uh, and it came back around, and it did again.
Then it just went, and then went,
backwards towards it, and I can remember seeing it just jolt
and just see that weird flash.
Then I guess it probably noticed me or something, then it just took off.
You're talking about a craft--
-a craft with unusual, uh, propulsion. -Yes.
So it's not just the ranch, it's all around you at the basin.
It's around your home, around your property,
-Mm-hmm. -whatever this phenomenon is,
it's all around you here.
-Mm-hmm. -Yes.
Some people have been harmed by these. Their lives have been changed.
Once you see something like this, you can never see the world the same again.
It just has to happen to you. Something is here.
Is it real?
Oh, yes, and I believe it is much real.
All those deniers, you know, can just come out here.
I don't care how many numbers.
They just gotta have that kind of, the experience, but it's a gamble.
Some days they're here, some days they're not.
They'll be taking days, weeks, months, just to,
have just one real experience. I think, just one.
Even just seeing a light or a UFO just coming by.
Just once. Just get that one image.
Just like that, and that will just be with them for the rest of their lives.
Just that one little piece.
Why does this area have so many things so concentrated?
I think there's a main portal somewhere here.
There are big displays, and the cops are called out,
something is coming over this area, beaming lights.
Your concern last time was,
is this having negative effects on the people I love,
-and is it government... -Mm-hmm.
or is it entities, other beings?
Mm-hmm.
-You're both nodding your heads. -Yeah.
So, what is it? What does that mean?
What can it be? Is it from here or is it from somewhere else?
The other side? Or a different world or somewhere?
Different solar system, just visiting?
The universe is wild, there's many planets.
I don't know. I really would like to know.
Maybe find out at least something.
If people wanted to come and visit this place,
-Mm-hmm. -your area,
um, would you advise them to do that or to not do that?
If you're curious, come and see yourself, you know?
'Cause I can sit here and tell you forever, all my experiences, but...
that's me.
But there are risks.
But they are... Yes, there is risks.
You might see something you can't handle, or you might experience, uh...
entity, I'm gonna say. That you can't handle. And so,
yeah, the... I don't know. It's hard. Yes or no?
It'd be up to that individual.
The Gormans were especially sensitive to the incident with the bulls
because of the losses they had already suffered.
Out of a herd of 80 cattle, they lost 14 head
prior to the arrival of NIDS. Some disappeared. Others were sliced up.
12 more cows and calves were killed while NIDS was on the ranch.
Their neighbors, the Garcias, lost several animals as well.
Some of their cattle appeared to have been killed
by being dropped onto the pasture from a great height.
The cattle mutilation mystery has been reported in at least 15 states,
dating back to the 1960s.
Thousands of animals have been sliced up with surgical precision,
mostly under the cover of darkness.
If humans are doing it, not a single suspect has ever been caught.
For the Gormans, the livestock losses were devastating
both financially, and psychologically.
And then, things got worse.
On March 10, 1997, Tom Gorman and his wife
walked out of their home and into the pasture,
planning to tag the ears of several calves that had been born in the preceding days.
It was a bright, clear morning. Snow was on the ground.
50 yards from their house, they found the first calf.
They were with their dog.
Uh, the two of them, um, tagged and weighed this animal.
They, they checked it out. I believe it was 84 pounds.
Or 87 pounds. And they left the animal there.
With... With the mother. Everything seemed to be fine.
Although, they did detect an odor in the air.
Around this area, they, they detected a strong musk smell.
Um, they took note of it, and then they headed west.
And they went about 300 yards west.
Beyond the... The dog run wasn't... Was not there at the time.
But about 300 yards beyond,
um, towards where that incline is.
Um, and they were tagging a second animal,
Only 30 to 40 minutes had passed,
the Gormans had an obstructed view
of everything in the field.
But didn't see or hear anything unusual.
Until their dog focused its attention back toward the house,
and the first calf.
The dog with them, down here at this stage,
began to act really strangely.
It started growling. The hair on the back of its neck went up.
And it started facing back towards here,
growling and snarling.
And then, it just took off west, away from this spot.
It just took off, was never seen again.
The Gormans were curious and walked back across the field.
First thing they saw was the mother of the animal,
was running back and forth, kind of in a sort of half circle.
From about this area to the fence line.
Just running back and forth, and it was limping.
I mean, it was dragging its foot. It was limping.
They met the animal, um, and they noticed that it was just totally out of breath.
It was panting. It was obviously in deep stress.
and it was dragging one leg.
And then they noticed the calf, or what was left of it.
...lay spreadeagled on the ground, just about here.
With, um, it was lying with all four limbs just spread on the ground.
All of its internal body cavity was gone.
Um, it was completely pretty well, all of its muscles was gone
from the torso.
The legs were still intact.
But the, one of the ears was also gone.
So, they called NIDS.
The rancher placed a call to the NIDS investigators
who'd returned to Las Vegas
for a rare weekend off.
Within a few hours, a four man team, including a veterinarian,
was on the scene.
Necropsy started, and the first thing the veterinarian noticed
during the necropsy was that the ear of the animal
had been sliced off with a very sharp instrument.
Possibly a scalpel.
And the ear had contained a very large plastic yellow, um, tag.
Like, an ear tag,
that they had just put on, and it was gone.
So, uh, the necropsy proceeded.
Um, about ten feet away from the animal, there was a femur.
One of the femurs had been forcibly ripped out of a ball and socket joint,
which is extremely difficult to do.
I mean, in terms of strength.
It looked, initially, you know, superficially,
like a massive predator had just lain waste to this animal.
Removed, you know, 60 pounds of meat in 45 minutes.
Which, we don't know if any predator that could have done that.
And how could a predator inflict such carnage
without being seen or heard by the rancher, his wife or his dog?
Over a few hundred yards away, in the same field,
on what was a quiet Sunday morning?
No four-legged predator known to science could do it.
The team gathered tissue and bone samples
which were sent to three independent pathology labs.
The results arrived later, but confirmed what seemed obvious
in the pasture that day.
The calf had been carved up by someone wielding sharp, metallic instruments.
A heavy machete-like object had slammed into the bones.
A smaller scalpel-like knife had sliced the hide and muscle.
Closer inspection revealed that it was definitely sharp instruments.
There was no sign of blood.
There was no sign of entrails around. It was perfectly clean.
Uh, not a drop of blood on the grass,
We went even as far as doing an experiment by pouring blood on the grass
to see how fast it would seep through.
Videotaped the grass, showed, you know, even two days later.
you could still see the stain on the grass, so, there was no blood, whatsoever.
Not a single drop, either, underneath the animal, on the animal,
or on the grass. It was just completely clean.
A professional tracker was brought in.
He's covered every inch of ground in and around the field.
Looking for traps, humans, animal or vehicle,
Nothing. Eventually, the investigators reached an unsettling conclusion.
The bottom line is, this animal must have been killed elsewhere.
Because there was no blood. There was no blood on the scene,
and that... the animal must have been brought back
Laid down carefully, almost, you know,
really almost richfully, on the spot. Where I had been tagged.
The NIDS team
investigated dozens of mutilation cases across the country.
Many of the tissue samples were analyzed in NIDS' own lab,
in Las Vegas. And then I doubled check by independent labs they hired.
The Uintah calf was in a category all its own.
It seemed akin to psychological warfare,
intended to shock and frighten the witnesses.
The following night, there was another scare
in the darkness of the first homestead.
Shots were fired at something that had rattled the herd.
Eventually, Colm Kelleher surmised that the perpetrators
responsible for the calf were mechanical.
Like an assembly line in a meat packing plant.
A machine was involved with this carnage.
Whatever happened to that calf, um,
was an extraordinarily skillful job.
Mutilations are clearly one aspect we can put our finger on.
That we can quantify to a degree.
Physical evidence remains after the event.
And we grasp to it, in search of answers.
Who is performing these horrific acts of violence?
Are they meant to unsettle us? Why?
And are there even answers to be found in these questions?
During the time of the NIDS investigations,
the phenomenon recorded and documented was more than elusive.
It never actually repeated itself.
From creatures to craft.
From disembodied voices to trickster-like paranormal activity,
it was a cosmic game of cat and mouse.
Dark, shadowy beams observed
climbing out of orange, glowing geometric portals.
Silent craft carving out chunks of tree branches
as they traverse the landscape.
Geomagnetic anomalies sending compasses into tailspins.
Events indicating a precognitive ability
by the phenomenon to know the next move of the investigators.
This area has been described as a paranormal Disneyland.
If its weird, it's happened in the Uintah Basin.
But by far, the most constant theme in the area
has always remained focused on UFOs.
Ships. Ships that appear without discrimination.
But not just passive UFO sightings.
Sightings that are participatory.
Experiences that tend to communicate with observers,
interact with them.
It's been happening in the area since humans settled there.
And it continues to this day.
Why are you keeping your identity secret?
I have chosen to keep my identity confidential
to not only protect the integrity of our efforts,
and to avoid distractions
that would potentially compromise our efforts.
And also to maintain a level of professionalism
in my other business activities and enterprises.
I have a vast empire of business interests
that I cannot allow to be compromised
by virtue of any disclosure of my involvement in this effort.
Everybody wants to know what is going on at the ranch now?
Have you continued the research, and have you amplified it?
We have entered an entirely new and expanded era
of scientific investigation at Skinwalker Ranch.
Since acquiring the property three years ago, from Mr. Bigelow,
we've installed significant security enhancements
in addition to scientific instrumentation that has allowed us
to not only better understand, but also to better document
the high strangeness and the anomalies
that have been reported for decades, if not millennia.
And wh... that's right here in the field.
A solid craft.
Wow.
And then, this look familiar? Corral?
- We're looking right up-- - Where we're sitting.
Yep.
Wow. Millennium Falcon.
Exactly. It looks, yeah, the closest thing to it.
And this was one of the most surprising things that we recorded
right after I purchased the ranch, was this image,
and again, according to all of the flight data,
for the Uintah Basin and Utah during that day,
There was no other, commercial or private, flight traffic.
Here's another craft that was captured over the ranch.
We've been recording both seismic and infrasonic activity in the area.
One thing we found from our infrasonic studies,
there are unexplained signals.
Our chief scientist, it's like nothing he's ever recorded,
the patterns he's found on the ranch.
What I am most interested in is what is so unique about this property?
Why is this the center of gravity for, for the unexplained,
all sorts of high strangeness.
And, how far back?
So this is the first of three observation towers.
Twenty years ago, Bob Bigelow built them, and he built them as big pens
and observation towers.
They put cattle, livestock in the big pens,
to see if they would react, as biosensors
to unseen activity, because the scientists
were noticing things that were more what we would call predator-like,
they were camouflaged to the helio effect.
This is a disturbing part of the ranch.
It is the historic record that really attests to the fact
that for some reason, there have been strange activities
recorded in this area.
Strange lights in the sky, unidentified aerial craft.
Probably relations going back to as early as 1920, 1930.
You see how remote this is to a degree out here, right now.
You can imagine back in the 1920s, 1930s.
I still, and powerful, I believe that we're'e not alone.
And I don't think there are any coincidences.
And that's the thing that is scary about what we're seeing here on the ranch.
When you have craft turning about in the sky,
that are not showing up on any radar,
that are not accounted for,
and things happening to people,
that are beyond their control,
you think of the national security implications.
It really does speak to the fact that we don't, we don't have any idea
really, what the true nature of reality is--
If I had one right above my head, then I could hit it with a tennis ball.
-Yeah. -And it was a solid...
Yeah, it was solid.
So you don't, you don't, get anything while you're here?
I feel great. I'm impervious to evil, man.
It's a thing I got going.
Oh, really?
How'd you, how'd you get that going for yourself, being impervious to evil?
Genetics.
What do you have to say to people who think this is not a real phenomenon?
They're delusional.
Anyone who does their due diligence,
anyone who's a sincere seeker of truth,
that actually will listen to this,
will find that there is absolute truth to what is happening.
There is legitimacy, and it is perhaps,
the most important scientific effort of our time.
The game has changed.
Does this bring back memories to your first trip to the ranch?
Well, yeah, I mean, the only other time we did this was the first trip,
that we ever made here, and we built the fire
and made a bunch of noise, and did kind of, kind of things that this group has been doing
today and yesterday and tried to, uh,
attract the attention of something.
It didn't work, and you know, uh,
whatever that's here, it plays by its own rules.
It shows you what it wants to, when it wants to.
And for NIDS, when they came in, they came in like gang-busters.
They end up bringing a lot of technical expertise and equipment,
scientific measuring equipment, to try to figure out what's out here,
But the phenomena itself always seemed to be one step ahead of, of the team
that was trying to figure it out.
Whatever is here, it toys with whomever is trying to figure it out.
I mean, it plays games and messes with your mind.
It seems to know what you're gonna do before you do it.
And it gives you glimpses only when you don't expect it, and you're not ready for it.
There's a suggestion from what's here, is, all this different phenomena,
that you wouldn't normally associate with each other,
UFOs and poltergeists, poltergeists and Big Foot,
Big Foot and cattle mutilations, all those things in one place,
it's almost like it's telling us they're all related on some level,
and it's up to you to figure it out.
I've been out here, you know, a number of times with you,
and I wanted to have an experience that was not good, to be honest with you.
I did, because I wanted to see for myself, but I've only had really good experiences.
So I tried to trick myself into feeling, like, "Ooh, something's terrifying."
But, I've just felt good.
You didn't expect to see anything, but be cool if you did.
If it was just scary, I can deal with that.
But I have a hitchhiker,
that comes on and takes me over,
I... I couldn't deal with that. So I'm scared of that.
But we do have a saying in England,
and it's "In for a penny, in for a pound."
I'm here, so, I might as well, and I survived the last one.
I don't know if I can afford any more hitchhikers.
So, say that out loud,
- to the hitchhikers of the galaxy.
Don't come home with me.
We all talk about evidence.
What is evidence to you?
Is evidence a photograph? Is it a video?
A lot of what I have is witness testimony.
Witness testimony is evidence.
So, my question is, does there become a point where,
testimony becomes so weighty that it just has value?
Well, witness testimony is what got me into this.
I mean, Admirals, Generals, pilots,
I mean, that's what initially got me into this stuff.
So, yes, that has weight.
But, what I'd love to see, you know, a portal open up, right there.
Yeah, I really would.
It's just, I've got the point where I don't have the luxury
of disbelief anymore.
I don't know what that means. It doesn't mean I know anything.
I just don't have the luxury of disbelief.
If I'm honest, I should not have the luxury to disbelieve, either.
I believe this other stuff. There, I've said it.
You know, I always try and qualify that with, "But I'm not sure,
'cause I might be crazy, and don't worry about me, I'm just an idiot," you know.
Uh, but you know, I do believe.
So I guess I just wanna hear a little bit, you know, from George.
Why do you want this out, now?
The universe is more mysterious, and wondrous and complicated than we imagined.
Reality is more complicated than what it might seem.
Full stop?
Yeah.
I thought that coming in about six years ago,
that if we essentially threw
personnel and equipment at this problem,
on this property as well as elsewhere,
and if we, you know, we really pulled out the stops
in terms of chemical analysis, that we'd probably would get answers.
But, any answers that we've got
don't seem to fit the overall thinking.
And I'm thinking mostly of the kinds of chemical analysis
that have been carried out on the UFO artifacts,
as well as some of the preliminary chemical analysis
we've done on the mutilations.
I don't think that there's an iota of evidence
from any of that stuff that really nails the extraterrestrial thing.
Um, there's really no strong evidence that it's extraterrestrial.
That has kind of, that's the fly in the ointment.
It's really against the predictions, that's counter-intuitive.
If anything, that has created more questions
than I originally had coming into this whole thing.
Essentially, the ranch became a testing ground,
a proving ground, if you will, applying the scientific method.
This team, this group of multidisciplinary scientists,
both on the staff and the science advisory board,
do attempt to solve the problem using the scientific method.
And we couldn't do it.
The scientific method is not amenable to these kind of problems.
It is not that malleable.
It's not that flexible to be able to apply easily to a problem such as this,
which is non-repeatable.
Everytime a phenomena occurs, it's not always same one as before.
It's always something new, and always something different.
The phenomena was playing with us.
Giving us only a taste here and there, of various things.
An opportunity to see things that were abnormal.
Uh, opportunity to cause examinations upon performances of things
that were very unique,
through certain pathological kinds of investigations.
The performances didn't repeat themselves.
Each time there would be a performance of a sort,
there was always some unique pattern
There was something that was always changed.
So we would be prepared, that if this thing, this type of event happened again,
we know what to do. Well, that exact same event never happened again.
It would always be something completely different.
Everytime we would come up with, uh...
some method of observation or calibration,
it seemed that, uh, we were always out-guessed.
It became obvious that we obviously weren't the ones in control.
We were along for the ride.
And that a lot of these exhibitions were, exhibitions.
For gamesmanship or instruction, um...
you know, in that kind of context.
People say secrets can't be kept.
They're full of shit, as secrets can be kept.
Secrets are kept. Big secrets.
It took two decades for this story to even begin to open up.
And what's most interesting is, how it relates to what's happening now.
Oh, my gosh!
What is the link between the current releases by the Department of Defense
using the New York Times to get out two videos, now three.
What is the connection between that and the ranch?
So, it's kind of a long and winding road.
With a lot of acronyms involved, but here's the basics.
December 2017, the New York Times breaks a story
about the existence of a secret UFO program in the Pentagon.
And while many of us have long suspected they had something going,
we didn't know exactly what it was.
Well, turns out, its something called ATIP.
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
A guy named Luis Elizondo comes forward, he says he's the point man for this program.
In addition, we learned that there was a contract given out, and it involved BAASS.
Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space,
within Bigelow Aerospace here in Las Vegas.
And that a study had been conducted, $22 million,
and that part of that study focused on Skinwalker Ranch.
A lot of people assumed that ATIP and BAASS were almost synonymous.
That the money for ATIP and BAASS came from the same pot.
That it was the same program. Fact is, it wasn't.
What was, BAASS was involved with something else.
BAASS was under a much larger program,
the existence of which has not been made public yet.
But BAASS was not part of ATIP.
ATIP did communicate with BAASS.
There was exchange of information back and forth.
But it wasn't ATIP that went to the ranch. It was somebody else.
BAASS investigators went to the property, investigated it,
interviewed witnesses, collected evidence,
much like NIDS had done before.
National Institute for Discovery Science,
which while many people suspected it was a government program, was not.
It was completely funded by Bob Bigelow.
He bought the property. He hired the people to be there.
Uh, he conducted studies for more than a decade.
He owned the ranch for 20 years, and sold it in 2016.
NIDS was private. BAASS was public.
And that it was funded by taxpayer money.
And that came from a program whose name has not yet been made public.
If you're asking, did we crack the mystery? The answer is no.
No, it's very frustrating for the scientists,
both the NIDS guys and the BAASS guys.
And I think any other agency that's been involved in the study.
We don't have an answer to how it works.
We know that it is real.
And it's mysterious, and it's documentable. And it's physical.
And sometimes, it's not physical.
Sometimes it appears almost like a hologram, and, uh,
and it's a, it's a trickster, and it's elusive.
And is clearly intelligent.
But we don't know what it is.
Or where it's from, or what its intentions are.
Does it mean to harm us? Sometimes, it does harm us.
Part of what the BAASS study did, it evaluated, uh,
databases from around the world,
including some very dramatic cases from other countries
where humans were, faced significant harm. Physical harm.
And there have been some reports about it in the Uintah Basin as well,
where people were harmed after encountering these things.
Could some of them be government? I think the answer is yes.
Are all of them government? I'd say the answer is no.
You know, I try to prepare myself for these trips that we make,
and I'm respectful of whatever it is that's there,
and I don't want to take anything home to any loved ones, but,
most of the people who've gone there as many times as we have,
have taken something with them. And, uh, I don't want that to happen.
We still don't know what we're dealing with.
And that's the truth of it.
Big questions, disturbing answers.
It sounds crazy, but, in reality.
these events happen.
It's hard. It's your problem.
You have to grapple with that.
These events happen.
And so, that's everybody's challenge, is to,
try to absorb and integrate that information
or deny it. Or ridicule it.
That's what people like to do. But these events happen.
There is a real mystery here, and I believe mysteries
have solutions. I believe we can get at least closer to the truth.
I don't know, man.
Are we alone in the universe?
This intelligence that seems to be interacting with humanity,
what is it? What... What is its purpose?
These are real, tangible, physical events.
But sometimes, it's, it's like a mirage.
Nobody knows what we're dealing with.
That's the bottom line. Nobody knows.
It's our job to investigate the unexplained.
Not to explain the uninvestigated.
Could a truck do that? I don't think it...
Oh, it's not a truck.
There's no road up there.