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Oh, it's Friday night.

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<i>It's Saturday morning, honey.</i>

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Mm?

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Is it him?

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News desk in London says
he flew in from Heathrow last night.

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My guy at the British consulate
said he's not staying there, so...

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Those two on the door,
they're Epstein's.

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Those three guys,

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I've seen them before.

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Royal protection officers.
If they're here...

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Jae, the door.

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Guards.

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It's like she wasn't even there.

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{\an8}She must have been coming for years.

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Christ.

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She can't be more than 20 <i>now.</i>

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Yeah.

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Here we go.

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{\an8}It's Epstein.

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{\an8}- That's him. That's Andrew.
- Come on, turn around.

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What?

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Go, go, go!

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What a lovely day.

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Oh, here we are.

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Okay.

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Uh... okay. Okay.

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- This isn't gonna work.
<i>- What isn't?</i>

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Change of plan.

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<i>Jae, talk to me.</i>

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I'm improvising.

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Bear with me.

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<i>Oh God.</i>

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<i>- Jae?</i>
- Not now.

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<i>Jae, are you there?</i>

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I'm here.

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<i>♪ I gotta fly once ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I gotta try once ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Only can die once ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Right, sir? ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Ooh, life is juicy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Juicy, and you see ♪</i>

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{\an8}<i>♪ I gotta have my bite, sir ♪</i>

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{\an8}<i>♪ Don't tell me not to fly
I simply got to ♪</i>

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<i>♪ If someone takes a spill, it's me... ♪</i>

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<i>Welcome, everybody.</i>

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{\an8}<i>I want to thank you all
for taking the time out of your lunch.</i>

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<i>All of us at the BBC face
some incredible challenges.</i>

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<i>♪ Life's candy
And the sun's a ball of butter... ♪</i>

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Morning, George.

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<i>♪ Who told you
You're allowed to rain on my parade? ♪</i>

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<i>The world is changing.</i>

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<i>We need to change with it.</i>

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<i>Every year the BBC faces more
and more competition in the news space,</i>

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<i>and we must fight to remain relevant.</i>

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<i>♪ Eye on the target, and wham! ♪</i>

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{\an8}<i>♪ One shot, one gunshot... ♪</i>

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{\an8}- Has someone got my Nando's?
- Oh, yeah.

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{\an8}<i>♪ Hey, world ♪</i>

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Bloody dog!

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<i>♪ Here I am ♪</i>

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{\an8}<i>♪ I'll march my band out ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I'll beat my drum ♪</i>

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Have we still got jobs, then?

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Moody, stop begging! Come on.

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{\an8}Come here. Moody!

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<i>Never in my career</i>

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{\an8}<i>have I felt BBC News
is under as much threat as it is today.</i>

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<i>It is our duty to respond.</i>

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So it is with great sadness

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that I have to announce... some job losses.

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We currently estimate these job cuts

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<i>to be in the region of 450.</i>

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Here we go. Here we fucking go.

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<i>I know it is an enormous number.</i>

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{\an8}How to improve your news-gathering.

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Sack all the journalists.

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<i>These cuts will be across
all news departments.</i>

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<i>And across all shows.</i>

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<i>Thank you very much.</i>

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{\an8}Okay. Uh, focus.

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{\an8}We've heard what she had to say,
and unless I missed it,

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she didn't say anything
about not doing our show.

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- Well, that was bleak.
- Manage to catch it? Did you?

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Nine hours and 13 minutes from now,

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we're on air. With what?

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Follow-up on British arms
sold to the Saudis being used in Yemen.

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Yeah, we've covered that.
What's the hook? Why today?

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Brexit. Fifteen rounds with Farage.
One-on-one with Emily.

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What would be our way in with Farage?
Something new.

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- Frictionless borders.
- Gets my juices going every time.

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- I can get us Lupita for tonight.
- The actress? Has she got a film out?

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No. She wants to talk colorism.
She's got a lot to say.

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She's great. It's an exclusive.
I think we should open with it.

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Perfect for the second half.
Can't open with her.

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Agreed. They don't decide
our running order.

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We opened with Emma Thompson on Weinstein.
They saw that. That's why they want us.

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Weinstein was a news story <i>that day.</i>

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Lupita may well be great,
but it isn't news.

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Second half.

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So, Farage? Sam? Can you book him?

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If you want Farage, Freddy,
then it's simple.

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You call up his PR.
It's really not rocket science.

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He'll be straight over.

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That's your job.
You're our booker.

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And you do know we've just announced
a few hundred redundancies.

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Uh, okay, let's, uh...

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The way I keep <i>my</i> job... Freddy, is by
booking the people we can't just call up.

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The ones other people can't just get.

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The job where you waltz in late,
then spend the morning

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working out where to go
for lunch with Piers Morgan?

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Last in, first out.

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- You were here at 6:00. On the pips. Yeah?
- What?

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You know what that does? That puts us
16 hours behind the news cycle,

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while I go out and find stories
people actually care about.

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No, we love Lupita,
and we desperately want her.

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We'd like to close with her
and go huge on socials.

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You know,
that's where this really cuts through.

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Okay, that's great.

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Great!

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Thanks, you're a superstar. Okay, bye.

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It's not about me.

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This is about

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putting you wonderful young entrepreneurs

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together with you

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eh... slightly more mature investors.

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So that together with Pitch@Palace,

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we can make magic happen.

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Now, I know you're all desperate
to get talking to them,

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and they're desperate
to listen to your ideas

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and make them into a reality.

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So the best thing for me to do
is to get out of the way

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and let you crack on.

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Before I do...

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Don't tell my mum.

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Maybe for the best no one came.

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Ah, there we are.

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All right, now say Pitch@Palace.

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Pitch@Palace!

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Pitch@Palace!

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Uh... I'd like it to be <i>fair.</i>

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I mean, you don't mention Epstein

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every time there's a story
about Bill Clinton, do you?

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<i>Bill Clinton
isn't the Queen's favorite son.</i>

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And if you had been here,
then you would have seen for yourself

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the... the wonderful job that...
that he does with Pitch,

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encouraging young entrepreneurs.

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<i>How young? These entrepreneurs?
How young is young?</i>

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Piss off, Nick.

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How do they get away with this?

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That is why we have hired Jason.
To manage this.

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Time.

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- It takes time.
- Time? That photograph is nine years old.

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- Sir, just...
- No.

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- No quick fix to a story like this.
- So you people keep telling me.

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<i>And you are 100% right,</i>

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Your Royal Highness.

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About what?

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You've been dealing with
this Epstein mess for nearly a decade.

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You haven't seen him
in that time, correct?

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Uh... No. No, um...

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No, absolutely. It was, um...

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Uh... December 2010.

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Then my instinct is...
you haven't had the right strategy.

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Epstein, and the whole...
Playboy Prince thing,

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should have been put to bed
a long time ago.

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And I can make it go away.

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But you have to let me control it.

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Amanda?

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Well, uh, Jason knows the press.

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That's why we hired him.

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Uh...

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I think he can help us.

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I've, uh, put together
a list of friendly journalists.

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That's a... contradiction in terms, innit?

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Invite them here, one by one, for tea.

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They feel special.

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You get to know each other,
all off the record,

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and slowly they realize
you're a decent human being,

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who is, by the way,

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prepared to acknowledge
errors of judgment.

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Slowly.

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It's always slowly. Always time.

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I'm 60 next year.

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And my mother, well...

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none of us are getting any younger.

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Jason's list of journalists.

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Mm...

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What?

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Well, this...

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This list. This... strategy.

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We've been down this road before.

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- Hello?
<i>- Hello, Sam.</i>

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<i>It's Amanda Thirsk
from the Duke of York's office.</i>

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Hi.

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But we don't do red lines.

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No questions off the table.

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- Maybe just think on it.
<i>- I'll get back to you.</i>

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Great. Speak soon.

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- Anything good?
- Not sure. The Palace.

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- Right, what have we got?
- You know what I think?

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For intelligent analysis,
we're the only place in town.

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Brexit again.

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Sam, didn't you have something?
The Palace?

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Uh, not for tonight. But we have Lupita.

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Great. Which bit of the Palace?

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- Prince Andrew's private secretary.
- Okay, what do they want?

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Pitch@Palace. It's like <i>The Apprentice,</i>

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only you get Prince Andrew
instead of Donald Trump.

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- It's not on television...
- Not <i>Newsnight,</i> is it?

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Do you know Andrew's PS?

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- No.
- Did she reach out to you first?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay, everyone, keep looking,
and let's talk again in an hour.

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I need a connect.

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Uh, Jae Donnelly. A pap.
Based in New York. Do you know him?

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Great.

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God... For Christ's sake.

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Farage isn't available.
We need somebody else.

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Maybe even he's bored with it by now.
Give me a minute.

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- Who's on the phone?
- Photographer.

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Working for who? Paparazzi?

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All your favorites, Freddy.
<i>The Sun. The Mail.</i>

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For Christ's sake.

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You know what?
If we had half the instincts

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and a quarter of the contacts
for the average tabloid pap,

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maybe we wouldn't be scrabbling around

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for new ways to have
the same argument every night.

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So just, you know, leave it with me, yeah?

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Coming right up.

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Someone... Someone
for Emily to really tell off.

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- All the dinner parties in North London...
- Sam.

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- ...say, "Did you see <i>Newsnight</i> last night?
- Sam.

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"Wasn't it amazing how Emily Maitlis said
all the great things we all agree with?"

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We're mistaking talking to ourselves
for news, Freddy, and it's killing us.

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- Stewart.
- Mm?

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I'm heading down to the studio.

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Come! Moody!

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I behave like that... insulting people
in front of the entire office,

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I mean, am I still here?
Do I still have a job?

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We have an issue

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with Sam.

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We? Who's we?

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Well, I do,

245
00:20:24,833 --> 00:20:27,416
Freddy, and now possibly Emily.

246
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,458
I'm not a snob, but she's very <i>Daily Mail.</i>

247
00:20:30,541 --> 00:20:33,166
I'm not saying
we can't cope with different opinions,

248
00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:34,250
but she is...

249
00:20:35,041 --> 00:20:36,958
she's too defensive.

250
00:20:45,125 --> 00:20:46,708
Put the lights up a touch.

251
00:20:47,708 --> 00:20:49,000
It's too cold.

252
00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:52,333
I didn't say "turn back down."

253
00:20:52,416 --> 00:20:55,416
Sure, but this is
the correct set level for broadcast.

254
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,458
I'm aware of that. Back up.

255
00:20:58,041 --> 00:20:59,375
Thanks for coming, Sam.

256
00:21:00,041 --> 00:21:01,875
That level but warmer.

257
00:21:01,958 --> 00:21:03,416
All right, okay.

258
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:05,541
I'll just have to switch
some things around.

259
00:21:07,125 --> 00:21:09,375
You understand the pressure we're under?

260
00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:12,041
All of us.
I've got enough fights on my hands

261
00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,750
without having them in my own team.

262
00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:15,166
Maybe you should speak with...

263
00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:18,958
I am speaking to them, and I'm saying
to them the same thing I'm saying to you.

264
00:21:20,291 --> 00:21:22,375
- Help me out.
- What about something like that?

265
00:21:22,458 --> 00:21:24,458
Warmer, much warmer.

266
00:21:25,916 --> 00:21:28,416
I'm trying to make changes.
I want a broader audience.

267
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:32,000
That's how we survive.
I've no interest in echo chambers.

268
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,416
I want different voices. I want tension.

269
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,583
And passion.

270
00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:43,958
- Look, Emily, I'm sorry.
- No, you're not.

271
00:21:45,416 --> 00:21:46,666
You meant every word.

272
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,541
Not every word.

273
00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:51,583
Don't think I don't know
what people think about me.

274
00:21:51,666 --> 00:21:53,958
The point is,
if we're at each other's throats,

275
00:21:54,041 --> 00:21:55,833
then none of this is going to work.

276
00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:58,333
So what are we saying?

277
00:21:58,958 --> 00:22:00,166
No, warmer.

278
00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,083
Okay, stop there.

279
00:22:02,833 --> 00:22:04,500
- I like it.
- Great.

280
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,333
Okay, understood. Anything else?

281
00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,166
- I...
- Three women and a whippet.

282
00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:13,625
You wouldn't have seen that
in a BBC studio when I started.

283
00:22:26,666 --> 00:22:29,375
- Oh my God, n...
- Oh my God, that is...

284
00:22:29,458 --> 00:22:31,541
- No, no, no, no, no!
- No, no, no, no!

285
00:22:32,583 --> 00:22:34,375
I told you!

286
00:22:38,041 --> 00:22:39,041
Oh.

287
00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:45,750
<i>Sorry about the noise. I'm working.
I might have to go without saying goodbye.</i>

288
00:22:45,833 --> 00:22:48,375
Thanks for calling me back. Anything good?

289
00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,208
A Kardashian launching
a new pair of knickers.

290
00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:54,208
Gotta pay the bills.

291
00:22:54,291 --> 00:22:56,208
<i>All right, check your messages.</i>

292
00:22:57,708 --> 00:23:00,833
<i>Some photos of girls
I've taken over the years at Epstein's.</i>

293
00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:04,333
<i>They are in there about an hour each.</i>

294
00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:05,708
<i>They look very young.</i>

295
00:23:15,833 --> 00:23:18,500
<i>They come from
an apartment block on 66th Street</i>

296
00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:21,000
<i>owned by Epstein's brother,
rented by Jeffrey.</i>

297
00:23:22,166 --> 00:23:25,791
<i>It's a warehouse of girls.</i>

298
00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:28,541
<i>He calls them his "nubiles."</i>

299
00:23:29,958 --> 00:23:31,250
This is still happening?

300
00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:32,416
<i>It's industrial, Sam.</i>

301
00:23:33,958 --> 00:23:35,708
I've been in New York for years.

302
00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:39,166
All I have to do is spend
24 hours outside of that place,

303
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:40,750
and you see them come and go.

304
00:23:40,833 --> 00:23:42,458
How do we not know about this?

305
00:23:42,541 --> 00:23:44,791
<i>Because it's young girls
no one cares about</i>

306
00:23:44,875 --> 00:23:46,333
<i>going in and out of a house.</i>

307
00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:48,375
And he's rich.

308
00:23:49,541 --> 00:23:53,375
You know, he went to jail. Now he's out.
Frankly, hardly anyone gives a shit.

309
00:23:53,875 --> 00:23:56,541
And Andrew, is he in there often?

310
00:23:56,625 --> 00:23:58,791
<i>- Oh, back in the day, sure.</i>
- Any proof?

311
00:23:58,875 --> 00:24:01,083
<i>Of Andrew actually at Epstein's?</i>

312
00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:02,833
<i>Other than the park picture?</i>

313
00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:04,041
Uh... no.

314
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:06,125
No, they're careful.

315
00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:09,083
<i>But I can promise you he was there.</i>

316
00:24:09,583 --> 00:24:12,250
You know about Ghislaine Maxwell, right?

317
00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:14,166
- Andrew's friend?
<i>- No.</i>

318
00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:17,666
Well, you should. I've gotta go.
Ghislaine. Look her up. I'll be in touch.

319
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:18,750
Thanks.

320
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:26,875
- Guys.
- What?

321
00:24:26,958 --> 00:24:29,291
- Look at this.
- Let me see.

322
00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:03,208
Sam. Leave him a minute.

323
00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:07,791
- A what?
- Writing a poem.

324
00:25:07,875 --> 00:25:09,083
Lucas?

325
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:25,250
So who is she?

326
00:25:26,958 --> 00:25:28,333
I'm not in her class.

327
00:25:30,541 --> 00:25:35,083
Listen, I... I know I'm your mum,
and I'm biased and everything,

328
00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:37,958
but you're very handsome,
so you shouldn't...

329
00:25:38,041 --> 00:25:40,791
No. Oh my. I mean my actual class.

330
00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:42,875
- She's in the year above.
- Oh.

331
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,875
Well, I like your ambition.

332
00:25:44,958 --> 00:25:47,500
- Chili sauce, yeah? The usual?
- Yes, please.

333
00:25:48,125 --> 00:25:50,333
You want a tip? How to talk to girls?

334
00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:52,291
- Do I have a choice?
- Not really, no.

335
00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:54,833
You listen. Most people want to talk.

336
00:25:54,916 --> 00:25:57,583
But most people are terrible at listening.

337
00:25:57,666 --> 00:25:58,583
Mm.

338
00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:05,666
But you promised the British people
there wouldn't be an issue.

339
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:07,916
{\an8}And at the time, I followed that through...

340
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,291
{\an8}- Were you wrong at the time?
- I don't accept that.

341
00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:13,958
Well, you were either wrong
or making a promise you couldn't keep.

342
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:15,041
<i>Which is it?</i>

343
00:26:15,916 --> 00:26:19,708
<i>You described yourself
as a man of principle.</i>

344
00:26:20,208 --> 00:26:25,000
<i>You also guaranteed voters
that border checks between the UK and EU</i>

345
00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:26,791
<i>would be unaffected by Brex...</i>

346
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,750
<i>Hi, this is Jae Donnelly.
Leave a message.</i>

347
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:13,041
Hi, Jae. It's Sam.

348
00:27:13,125 --> 00:27:16,541
Uh... this photo of... Andrew

349
00:27:16,625 --> 00:27:18,958
with Ghislaine Maxwell in London

350
00:27:19,041 --> 00:27:22,375
and a girl, 17 at the time...

351
00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:26,875
Uh, 2001. Virginia Roberts.
Do you know anything about it?

352
00:27:26,958 --> 00:27:30,541
Um... Give me a call
when you get this. Thanks.

353
00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:01,541
Bloody hell.

354
00:28:02,041 --> 00:28:03,333
<i>I want a selfie.</i>

355
00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:04,791
Okay. Okay.

356
00:28:04,875 --> 00:28:05,916
<i>And a spoon.</i>

357
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,083
Okay, bye.

358
00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:11,083
- Don't tell me.
- What?

359
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:13,208
Is it Phil the Greek?

360
00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:15,500
Jugface?

361
00:28:15,583 --> 00:28:16,625
I can't say.

362
00:28:16,708 --> 00:28:19,083
It can't be Her Majesty.
Her flag's not up.

363
00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:24,041
Well, just as long as
it's not that Randy fucking Andy.

364
00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:31,375
Here we go.

365
00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:34,666
Whew!

366
00:28:35,583 --> 00:28:36,583
Thanks.

367
00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:42,000
- Hello. Morning.
- Morning.

368
00:28:42,791 --> 00:28:43,791
Yeah.

369
00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:46,041
- Okay.
- Thank you.

370
00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:50,291
Follow the path.
They'll let you in at the top.

371
00:28:50,375 --> 00:28:51,666
Okay, great. Thanks.

372
00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,125
Good afternoon.

373
00:29:44,708 --> 00:29:46,791
Earl Grey or chamomile?

374
00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,333
We lose a fair few.

375
00:29:55,416 --> 00:29:56,750
Teaspoons.

376
00:29:56,833 --> 00:29:58,041
They just seem to

377
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,333
go.

378
00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:04,125
It's seen as a good thing.

379
00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:07,583
- It means everybody wants a part of us.
- Us?

380
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:11,583
Well,
I've been here for a long time.

381
00:30:11,666 --> 00:30:16,500
It's like family. The day we don't need
to budget for extra teaspoons...

382
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,041
And... would he be
prepared to talk about that?

383
00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:24,291
The theft of teaspoons
from Buckingham Palace?

384
00:30:24,375 --> 00:30:28,375
The future of the monarchy.
What it will mean when the Queen dies.

385
00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:31,166
We don't talk about that.

386
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:34,000
Too painful? For a favorite son?

387
00:30:37,791 --> 00:30:40,000
One thing about Her Majesty,

388
00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:43,500
she is a very good judge of character.

389
00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:46,375
Mm.

390
00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:49,791
So... what's she like?

391
00:30:50,541 --> 00:30:51,708
- Who?
- Emily.

392
00:30:51,791 --> 00:30:54,875
Oh, well, she runs...

393
00:30:54,958 --> 00:30:57,458
She swims, she interviews.

394
00:30:57,541 --> 00:31:00,625
Nobody's ever seen her eat.
She's Superwoman.

395
00:31:01,583 --> 00:31:04,125
- And the Bic.
- Harry Potter has his wand.

396
00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,458
Emily Maitlis has her Bic.

397
00:31:08,708 --> 00:31:11,875
And Andrew? How's his judge of character?

398
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:18,625
He's a... a very loyal friend.

399
00:31:19,583 --> 00:31:22,000
Too loyal for his own good sometimes.

400
00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:24,583
Ghislaine Maxwell.

401
00:31:26,583 --> 00:31:28,750
- She was a good friend, yes.
- Mm-hmm.

402
00:31:31,833 --> 00:31:33,166
Straight to the point.

403
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:34,791
There was some small talk,

404
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:39,583
but we're both busy women,
and we both know why we're here, Amanda.

405
00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:46,333
Do you want
to get a real drink?

406
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:53,666
Amanda?

407
00:31:58,833 --> 00:31:59,833
Amanda?

408
00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:01,583
Uh... she's out.

409
00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:03,791
With Sam McAlister.

410
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,333
Who?

411
00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:12,833
What do you think you know about me, Sam?

412
00:32:15,375 --> 00:32:16,833
I know you come from banking.

413
00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:18,708
A single mum.

414
00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:23,833
I know that you've been
doing this job for seven years,

415
00:32:23,916 --> 00:32:26,416
and you have a problem that won't go away.

416
00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:28,791
And I know that you're here

417
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:31,791
and Jason Stein isn't.

418
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,833
So?

419
00:32:33,916 --> 00:32:37,208
So maybe it's you
who wants to do things differently.

420
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,833
Or we're just looking at options.

421
00:32:41,625 --> 00:32:44,000
Or that.

422
00:32:44,083 --> 00:32:46,125
Oh...

423
00:32:46,208 --> 00:32:47,583
Uh...

424
00:32:47,666 --> 00:32:49,500
Sorry, it's Andrew. He needs me.

425
00:32:49,583 --> 00:32:52,833
Um, I'm only trying
to be honest with you, Amanda.

426
00:32:52,916 --> 00:32:53,916
I always am.

427
00:32:53,958 --> 00:32:57,083
And you know it can't just be Pitch.

428
00:32:57,166 --> 00:33:02,000
And like I said before,
you wouldn't be here talking to <i>Newsnight</i>

429
00:33:02,083 --> 00:33:03,916
if you didn't already know that.

430
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,541
But I'm not talking
to <i>Newsnight,</i> Sam.

431
00:33:08,208 --> 00:33:09,375
I'm talking to you.

432
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:11,916
And there <i>is</i> a red line.

433
00:33:14,583 --> 00:33:15,916
Thank you for meeting.

434
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:25,750
<i>You'll like this too.
This is moments</i>

435
00:33:25,833 --> 00:33:29,625
after I've just narrowly been missed
by inches by an Exocet missile.

436
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,000
And as soon as it came, I'd...

437
00:33:31,083 --> 00:33:34,125
Out of the way, and I'd come down.
I'd do that two times a day.

438
00:33:34,208 --> 00:33:36,416
Must have been terrifying moments.

439
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:37,791
Oh, some of the worst.

440
00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:40,208
And some of the best.

441
00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:43,125
Those... Those... Those men,

442
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:45,625
they... they-they really knew me, you know?

443
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,208
Well, there's no hiding in war.

444
00:33:48,708 --> 00:33:50,500
From your shipmates. Um...

445
00:33:51,708 --> 00:33:52,708
From yourself.

446
00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:54,541
Do you ever miss it?

447
00:33:54,625 --> 00:33:55,625
What, war?

448
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,666
The Argies were
a lot less trouble than your lot.

449
00:33:59,666 --> 00:34:02,375
Come on. Let's go for it.
Let's do the tour.

450
00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:07,375
<i>Newsnight? Newsnight?</i>!

451
00:34:08,041 --> 00:34:09,291
You saw that.

452
00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,791
Can't... Can't you see
how good he is with people?

453
00:34:12,875 --> 00:34:15,208
How they like him
when they spend time with him?

454
00:34:15,291 --> 00:34:18,041
- That's the plan, Amanda.
- Look, it's called charm.

455
00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:20,958
Jason, you have to be
in the room with it to feel it.

456
00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:22,708
Television?

457
00:34:22,791 --> 00:34:24,833
Look, it was just a meeting.

458
00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:27,291
A meeting you shouldn't have taken.

459
00:34:27,375 --> 00:34:28,750
Especially without me.

460
00:34:29,666 --> 00:34:30,708
This is my job.

461
00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:35,375
No, not now, Freddy.

462
00:34:35,458 --> 00:34:39,333
- Did the liquid lunch go on the BBC tab?
- I was so close.

463
00:34:39,416 --> 00:34:44,125
Really? Think you have special powers over
a big beast like Buckingham Palace Comms?

464
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:46,833
It was just the two of us. Nobody else.

465
00:34:46,916 --> 00:34:49,375
- And we were so close.
- To what?

466
00:34:49,458 --> 00:34:53,000
An interview.
This Epstein story isn't going away.

467
00:34:53,083 --> 00:34:57,375
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's girlfriend,
is one of Andrew's oldest friends.

468
00:34:57,458 --> 00:35:00,041
Then they're not gonna
talk to us about it, are they?

469
00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:02,625
Sam, it's celebrity fluff, not <i>Newsnight.</i>

470
00:35:02,708 --> 00:35:05,541
It's not fluff.
It's exactly what we should be doing.

471
00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,875
I'm sorry, but we don't have time
for you to spend

472
00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:11,666
a whole day chasing a story that
we're never gonna get. Not anymore.

473
00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:16,000
We're meant to be a team.
Why do you think you're so special?

474
00:35:19,666 --> 00:35:20,833
This is the work.

475
00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:25,208
All right? Today was the work because
this story is only going to get bigger.

476
00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:28,500
And when it does, we don't wanna be
the first people making the call.

477
00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:30,833
We wanna be the first people <i>they</i> call.
And if I...

478
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:37,458
If I can't do my job
the way it needs to be done,

479
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,791
then I don't think I can do this anymore.

480
00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:02,541
Oh, Sammy.

481
00:36:36,291 --> 00:36:39,041
<i>Please leave a message after the tone.</i>

482
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,916
Hi, Esme. It's Sam.

483
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,041
Um...

484
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,125
I was just calling...

485
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:49,500
Uh, could you...

486
00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:55,500
Could you call me back when you get this?
It's important. Thanks, bye.

487
00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:57,416
You all right?

488
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,291
D'you know, I spend half my time

489
00:37:05,375 --> 00:37:08,250
just absolutely terrified
of getting sacked,

490
00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,750
and the rest of it
wishing they'd get it over with.

491
00:37:11,791 --> 00:37:13,666
Why don't they see me as one of them?

492
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:18,541
- Maybe there's somewhere easier.
- I don't want it to be easy, Mum. I just...

493
00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:23,291
I just want it to matter.

494
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,458
Lucas!

495
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
- Mmm... Night-night.
- Night-night. Night-night.

496
00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:32,583
- Night, you.
- Night.

497
00:37:34,541 --> 00:37:35,416
Hello.

498
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,125
I spoke to her. Freya. That's her name.

499
00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:41,458
Yeah. And what did she say?
What did you say?

500
00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:43,166
Hello.

501
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:44,250
What did she say?

502
00:37:44,291 --> 00:37:47,500
Well, I thought maybe she hadn't heard me.
But she did. And...

503
00:37:47,583 --> 00:37:50,958
Yeah. Oh, one minute, darling. Wait.

504
00:37:51,041 --> 00:37:52,208
One second. Hang on.

505
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:55,708
Jae?

506
00:37:55,791 --> 00:37:57,083
How was the Palace?

507
00:37:57,166 --> 00:37:59,291
<i>I couldn't make it work.
Epstein's a no-go.</i>

508
00:37:59,375 --> 00:38:00,541
Well, not anymore.

509
00:38:01,125 --> 00:38:04,458
- What do you mean?
<i>- I'm at Teterboro. A private airfield.</i>

510
00:38:04,541 --> 00:38:07,833
<i>Our friend Jeffrey's plane
is due to land in the next hour.</i>

511
00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,125
And the FBI are waiting.

512
00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:12,666
Mum! Can you...

513
00:38:13,666 --> 00:38:16,125
Can you stay one more hour with Lucas?
That all right?

514
00:38:16,208 --> 00:38:18,875
- Yeah, of course.
- I'll be back before he goes to bed.

515
00:38:19,375 --> 00:38:21,083
Take your time. See you later.

516
00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:36,083
Hello?

517
00:38:36,916 --> 00:38:38,041
You called me.

518
00:38:38,125 --> 00:38:39,666
<i>You said it was important.</i>

519
00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:44,541
Jeffrey Epstein is being arrested tonight.
Sex trafficking.

520
00:38:46,166 --> 00:38:47,708
<i>Esme? Are you there?</i>

521
00:38:47,791 --> 00:38:49,291
So it's a news story now.

522
00:38:49,791 --> 00:38:52,166
<i>Right, let's start pushing the Palace.</i>

523
00:38:57,083 --> 00:38:57,958
Thanks.

524
00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,166
Whew!

525
00:39:16,041 --> 00:39:17,083
All right.

526
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,458
Everything's changed.

527
00:39:25,041 --> 00:39:27,791
Any moment now,
you are going to get a phone call.

528
00:39:27,875 --> 00:39:29,208
After that, a hundred more.

529
00:39:29,291 --> 00:39:32,458
We have a few hours,
at best, before the tsunami hits.

530
00:39:32,541 --> 00:39:35,333
- I thought we could use it, both of us.
- What has changed?

531
00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:38,250
The FBI are raiding Jeffrey Epstein's home
any moment now.

532
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,916
This red line of yours
isn't going to hold, Amanda.

533
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,708
You can't go "no comment"
on being friends with a pedophile

534
00:39:46,791 --> 00:39:49,208
and expect everyone to love you,
whoever you are.

535
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,875
- How do I know I can trust you?
- You don't.

536
00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:57,458
And you don't have to
because I can give you an hour.

537
00:39:58,583 --> 00:40:01,416
Yeah? And then it's up to him. Not you.

538
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,208
Not me. Him.

539
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,666
An hour of television
can change everything.

540
00:40:15,583 --> 00:40:16,625
It's like magic.

541
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:23,375
<i>US financier Jeffrey Epstein
has been arrested today</i>

542
00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:25,958
<i>on federal sex trafficking charges.</i>

543
00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:31,666
<i>The disgraced billionaire has been accused
of trafficking dozens of underage girls.</i>

544
00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:35,333
<i>He was previously convicted in 2008</i>

545
00:40:35,416 --> 00:40:38,958
<i>after pleading guilty
to soliciting a minor for prostitution.</i>

546
00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:41,916
How many times?

547
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,541
<i>...will no doubt focus
on Mr. Epstein's friendship...</i>

548
00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,125
How many times?

549
00:40:46,208 --> 00:40:48,875
<i>...the Duke of York,
who previously claimed to have cut...</i>

550
00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:49,791
I'm sorry.

551
00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:51,875
<i>...all ties with Epstein in 2010.</i>

552
00:40:56,958 --> 00:41:00,166
Where does he go?
Simple question, where does he go?

553
00:41:04,583 --> 00:41:05,583
A clue.

554
00:41:07,916 --> 00:41:09,000
He's a marsupial.

555
00:41:12,041 --> 00:41:14,333
Roo. As in Kanga.

556
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:19,250
Put them together. What do you get?

557
00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:24,208
- Rookanga.
- Oh, go away.

558
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,541
Go away!

559
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:46,083
They have acknowledged the duke's
friendship with Mr. Epstein in the past.

560
00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:47,166
They state that...

561
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:50,291
If the prime minister needs
to get this message across to voters,

562
00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:53,541
you're going to need to send us
someone people have actually heard of,

563
00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:57,958
who can form sentences using
more than just single-syllable... words...

564
00:41:58,041 --> 00:41:59,541
<i>...now has the very latest news.</i>

565
00:41:59,625 --> 00:42:02,208
<i>The investigation
surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's arrest</i>

566
00:42:02,291 --> 00:42:04,708
{\an8}<i>three weeks ago for child sex offenses</i>

567
00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:09,291
{\an8}<i>has today widened to include his friend
Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,</i>

568
00:42:09,375 --> 00:42:13,541
<i>as previously suppressed documents
from a case in 2015 come to light.</i>

569
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:19,416
<i>Virginia Giuffre,
17 at the time of the allegations,</i>

570
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,041
<i>claims in newly released documents
that she had sex with the Duke of York</i>

571
00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:24,791
<i>on three separate occasions.</i>

572
00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:28,250
<i>Twice in London, and once
in Mr. Epstein's home in New York.</i>

573
00:42:29,791 --> 00:42:32,666
<i>While Buckingham Palace continue to deny</i>

574
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:35,916
{\an8}<i>these latest allegations
against the Duke of York,</i>

575
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,083
{\an8}<i>Virginia Giuffre told reporters
outside a court in Manhattan...</i>

576
00:42:41,083 --> 00:42:42,125
It's not true.

577
00:42:42,833 --> 00:42:44,750
I mean, none of it is true.

578
00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:47,375
<i>...the deepening crisis surrounding Andrew...</i>

579
00:42:52,708 --> 00:42:55,000
The morning I went away
to boarding school...

580
00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:58,958
Mummy combed my hair.

581
00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:05,916
It was one of those tortoiseshell combs.
Remember those?

582
00:43:08,958 --> 00:43:11,666
I can feel it now,
scraping across my head.

583
00:43:15,083 --> 00:43:16,666
It hurt, but I...

584
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,250
But I didn't want it to stop.

585
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:29,625
So Jason says... n-nothing changes.

586
00:43:29,708 --> 00:43:31,708
We... hold our nerve.

587
00:43:34,541 --> 00:43:35,958
Is that what you think?

588
00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:40,375
Let's see how it plays out.

589
00:43:56,625 --> 00:43:59,750
I'm supposed to be talking to Mummy
about my 60th birthday.

590
00:44:03,625 --> 00:44:04,833
She's got big plans.

591
00:44:26,125 --> 00:44:28,458
<i>Mr. Epstein,
arrested just over a month ago,</i>

592
00:44:28,541 --> 00:44:29,916
<i>was found dead this morning</i>

593
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,916
<i>in his cell at the Metropolitan...</i>

594
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,892
<i>He once counted among
his friends Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew...</i>

595
00:44:34,916 --> 00:44:37,101
<i>He was in cardiac arrest
and pronounced dead...</i>

596
00:44:37,125 --> 00:44:39,666
<i>...charged on trafficking
dozens of girls for sex...</i>

597
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,601
<i>- ...six underage victims...
- ...involving underage girls...</i>

598
00:44:42,625 --> 00:44:45,208
<i>...including Donald Trump,
liked beautiful women...</i>

599
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:47,833
<i>...categorically denied
by the royal family.</i>

600
00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:52,458
<i>All across the world, every paper,
every show on every news channel,</i>

601
00:44:52,541 --> 00:44:54,875
<i>this is the story. The only story.</i>

602
00:44:54,958 --> 00:44:56,125
- Morning.
- Morning.

603
00:44:56,208 --> 00:44:57,791
Sam, I want it for us.

604
00:44:58,791 --> 00:44:59,875
For <i>Newsnight.</i>

605
00:44:59,958 --> 00:45:02,583
You got your foot in the door
before anyone else.

606
00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:11,958
<i>Amanda. Hi, it's Sam McAlister.</i>

607
00:45:12,583 --> 00:45:13,625
<i>Please call me.</i>

608
00:45:14,916 --> 00:45:16,958
<i>When you're ready to talk, we're here.</i>

609
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:43,000
Her Majesty combing your hair
on your last morning at home...

610
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Yes?

611
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:53,000
You remembering it
and talking about it...

612
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:56,500
Yes?

613
00:45:58,041 --> 00:46:00,041
I think there's a reason for that.

614
00:46:03,625 --> 00:46:05,625
I think you want your future back.

615
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:08,833
We both do.

616
00:46:13,416 --> 00:46:14,416
Let me help you.

617
00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:20,458
<i>...relationship
with Epstein will persist.</i>

618
00:46:21,041 --> 00:46:26,625
<i>Now, of course, the duke, the Palace
are desperate to move on from this issue,</i>

619
00:46:26,708 --> 00:46:28,333
<i>but with today's news,</i>

620
00:46:28,416 --> 00:46:32,500
<i>the prospect of that
seems further away than ever.</i>

621
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,916
No commitments, no promises.

622
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,166
- But?
- They've agreed to meet.

623
00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:43,375
Right. This stays in this room,
just the four of us.

624
00:46:43,458 --> 00:46:46,541
If it leaks that we're even meeting,
they could get spooked.

625
00:46:46,625 --> 00:46:49,333
Sam, whatever you need, it's yours.

626
00:46:49,416 --> 00:46:52,500
Actually, there was one thing.
I think it will help a lot.

627
00:46:52,583 --> 00:46:53,583
Name it.

628
00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:55,208
Emily.

629
00:47:03,666 --> 00:47:06,500
I've never been
smuggled into a palace before.

630
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,166
Keep it light.

631
00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,791
- Mm.
- We don't scare him off.

632
00:47:20,958 --> 00:47:22,125
We, uh... we play nice.

633
00:47:23,291 --> 00:47:24,291
Be respectful.

634
00:47:25,375 --> 00:47:26,916
Relax, I've got this.

635
00:47:28,125 --> 00:47:30,416
How difficult can it be
talking to the Queen's son

636
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:33,000
about his friendship
with a convicted sex offender?

637
00:47:34,166 --> 00:47:35,166
Good morning.

638
00:47:35,708 --> 00:47:36,833
Hello, everyone.

639
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,250
I hope you don't mind,
I brought someone along.

640
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:42,916
- Hello.
- You know my daughter Beatrice.

641
00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:44,833
Hello.

642
00:47:46,583 --> 00:47:50,125
I can't tell you
what the questions will be

643
00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:53,125
because I don't know myself yet.

644
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:55,916
But when I do know...

645
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,583
I still won't tell you.

646
00:48:02,583 --> 00:48:04,791
But... they will be fair.

647
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,500
And no "gotchas," I promise.

648
00:48:11,041 --> 00:48:12,041
"Will be"?

649
00:48:13,958 --> 00:48:16,666
"Would be," I think you mean.

650
00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:18,583
Were we to agree to do this.

651
00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:20,541
And Pitch@Palace?

652
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:24,875
We'll discuss that, of course.

653
00:48:25,583 --> 00:48:29,416
But... you know as well as I do,

654
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:31,083
that's not why we're here.

655
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:34,250
Epstein.

656
00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,875
This is about honesty.

657
00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:40,458
On both sides.

658
00:48:47,625 --> 00:48:51,333
If I do an interview, it will only be one.

659
00:48:52,208 --> 00:48:54,125
Uh, the question is, why you?

660
00:48:57,125 --> 00:49:00,625
- Stewart?
- Well, um, <i>Newsnight</i> is forensic.

661
00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:04,375
Um, it's tough, but never sensational.
And so is Emily.

662
00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:07,041
- And she's a woman.
- And she's a woman.

663
00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,083
And she's here.

664
00:49:12,791 --> 00:49:14,375
Um...

665
00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:19,708
Look, in my position,

666
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:24,416
with everything that's been, um... said,

667
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,125
and with the world as it is now, I...

668
00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:31,958
It's hard to imagine how
I can turn it around. Frankly. I mean...

669
00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:36,125
I... I have a lot of people telling me
it's a mistake even being in this room.

670
00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:38,583
And yet here you are.

671
00:49:39,666 --> 00:49:41,416
And I can promise you one thing.

672
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:44,833
You can't turn it around
by staying silent.

673
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,208
You know how people see you, don't you?

674
00:49:52,208 --> 00:49:55,208
Why don't you... spell it out?

675
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,125
Randy Andy.

676
00:50:04,625 --> 00:50:06,291
Air Miles Andy.

677
00:50:06,375 --> 00:50:08,833
This is sex, and girls,

678
00:50:08,916 --> 00:50:12,500
and planes and private islands and money.

679
00:50:12,583 --> 00:50:15,666
And, with respect,
the public see these stories,

680
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,000
and they think, "Yep, I can believe that."

681
00:50:19,666 --> 00:50:22,333
This isn't bad for your brand.

682
00:50:23,291 --> 00:50:25,750
This <i>is</i> your brand.

683
00:50:30,666 --> 00:50:31,708
"With respect"?

684
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:39,250
Well...

685
00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:41,791
Sort of got a point.

686
00:50:41,875 --> 00:50:43,125
Listen, I get it.

687
00:50:43,208 --> 00:50:47,750
"Never complain, never explain."
But I'm afraid those days are over.

688
00:50:47,833 --> 00:50:50,375
Yes, everyone has a voice now.

689
00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:52,458
Social media. Facebook.

690
00:50:52,541 --> 00:50:54,750
Twitter. Everyone's having their say,

691
00:50:55,625 --> 00:50:57,291
and what they're saying about you

692
00:50:58,208 --> 00:51:03,166
is a lot... stronger
than anything I just said.

693
00:51:06,166 --> 00:51:09,833
- Have you seen Twitter?
- No, I don't, uh, pay attention to that.

694
00:51:09,916 --> 00:51:10,916
I do.

695
00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:13,958
<i>A lot</i> worse than what she said.

696
00:51:18,208 --> 00:51:20,708
So I'm just saying that's the story,

697
00:51:21,625 --> 00:51:23,208
and it doesn't change

698
00:51:23,291 --> 00:51:25,166
unless <i>you</i> change it,

699
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,541
unless you tell us a different story.

700
00:51:30,666 --> 00:51:32,958
Your story.

701
00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:35,166
In your voice.

702
00:51:44,833 --> 00:51:45,833
Sam's right.

703
00:51:47,625 --> 00:51:48,625
I mean,

704
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,208
I might not have said it
quite so bluntly, but...

705
00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:56,291
Well...

706
00:51:56,375 --> 00:52:00,250
I don't understand why everyone's obsessed
with my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

707
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:02,583
I knew Jimmy Savile so much better.

708
00:52:03,166 --> 00:52:05,625
Um...

709
00:52:06,458 --> 00:52:08,750
Thank you very much.
Very nice to meet you.

710
00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:13,333
Um, should we pop up and say hello
to Mummy before the Commonwealth banquet?

711
00:52:13,833 --> 00:52:14,875
Never ends, does it?

712
00:52:14,958 --> 00:52:17,583
Um, Amanda will be in touch,
one way or another.

713
00:52:21,458 --> 00:52:24,333
<i>- Her mummy or his mummy?
- Fergie's not here.</i>

714
00:52:24,416 --> 00:52:25,416
She's abroad.

715
00:52:26,583 --> 00:52:29,208
- So his mummy.
- Okay, wow. Bloody hell.

716
00:52:30,416 --> 00:52:31,666
Mummy might block it.

717
00:52:32,291 --> 00:52:33,291
Yeah.

718
00:52:34,125 --> 00:52:35,208
Christ, I'm tired.

719
00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:37,500
Pretty punchy in there, Sammy.

720
00:52:38,166 --> 00:52:39,166
Nice work.

721
00:52:41,666 --> 00:52:43,041
<i>Conditions, Amanda?</i>

722
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:46,375
You... You discussed conditions.

723
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:51,333
I... I didn't agree to anything.

724
00:52:51,416 --> 00:52:53,625
It... It's not like that.

725
00:52:53,708 --> 00:52:54,833
Amanda.

726
00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,416
What conditions?

727
00:52:58,041 --> 00:53:04,041
The only thing that matters is
that he is given the space to talk to us.

728
00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,166
"Us"?

729
00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:09,250
The nation.

730
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:10,500
Oh my God.

731
00:53:14,083 --> 00:53:15,125
I can't do this.

732
00:53:17,458 --> 00:53:18,916
- Mm.
- No.

733
00:53:20,541 --> 00:53:21,750
I'm out.

734
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:27,166
I understand.

735
00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:42,958
If they agree, and if it happens,

736
00:53:43,041 --> 00:53:44,291
it's 60 minutes.

737
00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,875
"If it happens"? What could stop us?

738
00:53:46,958 --> 00:53:49,500
Something high up.
This is the royal family and the BBC.

739
00:53:49,583 --> 00:53:52,750
People start talking about
the national interest and make no mistake,

740
00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:57,583
if we get this, and we pull it off,
it will be front page of every paper.

741
00:53:57,666 --> 00:53:59,958
But if we get it wrong,
if we make mistakes,

742
00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:01,708
if we don't get the tone right,

743
00:54:02,208 --> 00:54:04,791
the story won't be him. It'll be us.

744
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,500
No, it won't.

745
00:54:07,583 --> 00:54:08,625
It'll be me.

746
00:54:30,916 --> 00:54:32,541
She's always right, isn't she?

747
00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:34,833
Always.

748
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:39,250
What did she say?

749
00:54:43,166 --> 00:54:44,750
She trusts my judgment.

750
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:02,791
Great.

751
00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:13,875
Amanda Thirsk called.

752
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:16,125
Thursday, 2:00 p.m. The Palace.

753
00:55:18,208 --> 00:55:19,208
We're on.

754
00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:23,333
Got 70 hours.
Emily, you're spending them with me.

755
00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:26,791
Stewart, you're producing.
Sam, anyone who needs you, gets you.

756
00:55:26,875 --> 00:55:28,041
Yes, is Fran there?

757
00:55:28,958 --> 00:55:30,500
Yes, extremely urgent.

758
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,166
With the director-general? Which opera?

759
00:55:37,666 --> 00:55:38,791
<i>When it's done,</i>

760
00:55:38,875 --> 00:55:42,083
nobody sees the cut
until the DG and I have seen it.

761
00:55:44,666 --> 00:55:46,166
Lovely to see you both.

762
00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,083
Tony's keeping his options open.

763
00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:57,166
Well, it's not over
till the fat lady sings.

764
00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:01,416
So the question is,

765
00:56:01,916 --> 00:56:04,083
what are we looking for?

766
00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,708
A confession?

767
00:56:06,791 --> 00:56:08,916
String of denials?

768
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,166
An apology?

769
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:13,041
No way he's confessing
unless he wants to go to jail,

770
00:56:13,125 --> 00:56:17,541
and we're not settling for an apology,
so we go after him hard with the facts.

771
00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:20,458
- Fine. So where do we start?
- Mm.

772
00:56:20,541 --> 00:56:24,916
July 15th, 2006. Jeffrey Epstein,
Ghislaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein

773
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,750
are at Beatrice's
Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.

774
00:56:27,833 --> 00:56:31,000
Epstein wore white with gold buttons
and a chestful of medals.

775
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,708
His Florida home
had just been raided by police.

776
00:56:33,791 --> 00:56:36,041
Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.

777
00:56:36,125 --> 00:56:37,875
July 15th, 2006,

778
00:56:37,958 --> 00:56:40,416
Epstein, Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein

779
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,791
are all at Beatrice's
Victorian-themed 18th birthday party.

780
00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:47,833
Epstein wore white with gold buttons
and a chestful of medals.

781
00:56:48,333 --> 00:56:50,500
His Florida home
had just been raided by police.

782
00:56:50,583 --> 00:56:52,625
Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go.

783
00:56:54,791 --> 00:56:57,416
That is fantastic. Nowhere to hide.

784
00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:01,101
Andrew's tried to make it seem
his friendship with Ghislaine

785
00:57:01,125 --> 00:57:03,625
was the main reason
he spent time with Epstein.

786
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:07,375
Problem is, it looks like
she was absolutely complicit

787
00:57:07,458 --> 00:57:09,583
in so much of what Epstein was doing.

788
00:57:15,208 --> 00:57:18,750
This painting of Clinton...
That's the Lewinsky dress.

789
00:57:18,833 --> 00:57:21,041
Yep. Epstein had it on his wall.

790
00:57:24,541 --> 00:57:28,458
There was a life-sized naked doll
hanging from a chandelier.

791
00:57:29,166 --> 00:57:30,291
A massage room.

792
00:57:30,916 --> 00:57:32,583
Soap shaped like genitalia.

793
00:57:33,875 --> 00:57:36,625
You couldn't be anywhere near Epstein
and not know.

794
00:57:40,208 --> 00:57:43,708
<i>You know Lucas can
stay here tonight if you have to work.</i>

795
00:57:43,791 --> 00:57:46,166
No, it's fine. They don't need me anyway.

796
00:57:47,375 --> 00:57:48,958
<i>I don't believe that for a second.</i>

797
00:57:50,916 --> 00:57:52,708
Then why didn't they ask me to stay, Mum?

798
00:57:52,791 --> 00:57:56,166
<i>I bring in the interview,
and they still don't want me in the room.</i>

799
00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:58,958
Sam, you know how this works.

800
00:57:59,875 --> 00:58:02,000
People like us, we don't wait to be asked.

801
00:58:02,083 --> 00:58:03,750
<i>We do what we have to do.</i>

802
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,125
<i>Did they ask you
to go after Prince Andrew?</i>

803
00:58:08,125 --> 00:58:10,583
- No.
<i>- No, they didn't.</i>

804
00:58:10,666 --> 00:58:11,666
<i>But you did.</i>

805
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:13,250
<i>Remember that.</i>

806
00:58:14,583 --> 00:58:16,333
And this interview,

807
00:58:17,708 --> 00:58:18,708
does it matter?

808
00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:22,750
Yeah, it matters.

809
00:58:23,833 --> 00:58:25,208
<i>Well, there you go, then.</i>

810
00:58:31,208 --> 00:58:32,833
Love you, Mum.

811
00:58:32,916 --> 00:58:34,583
I love you too, sweetheart.

812
00:59:24,875 --> 00:59:25,875
Hello.

813
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,833
Sam. Uh...

814
00:59:29,666 --> 00:59:31,125
I hope it's not too early.

815
00:59:32,583 --> 00:59:36,916
And the 29th. And you've got,
what, everything from the 17th of June?

816
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
That's right.

817
00:59:38,083 --> 00:59:40,208
- Can you put those on a memory stick?
- Yeah.

818
00:59:40,291 --> 00:59:41,291
Amanda called.

819
00:59:44,083 --> 00:59:45,500
Is she pulling the plug?

820
00:59:47,708 --> 00:59:48,875
South Drawing Room.

821
00:59:49,666 --> 00:59:52,291
Two chairs in the middle of the floor.
Six feet apart.

822
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:54,708
It's like a western.

823
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:57,791
<i>Like a gunfight in a western.</i>

824
01:00:06,583 --> 01:00:07,958
- Right.
- Huh.

825
01:00:08,708 --> 01:00:09,875
All set?

826
01:00:11,083 --> 01:00:12,083
Emily.

827
01:00:12,666 --> 01:00:13,666
What's wrong?

828
01:00:15,166 --> 01:00:17,625
What if he just apologizes?

829
01:00:17,708 --> 01:00:21,166
What if I lay out all the facts,

830
01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:25,625
he doesn't admit to anything,
but he does say sorry?

831
01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:30,125
What if he's good, Esme?

832
01:00:30,208 --> 01:00:31,958
Then it'll be great television.

833
01:00:32,625 --> 01:00:34,333
Well, that's not why I'm doing it.

834
01:00:34,833 --> 01:00:36,208
Well, why <i>are</i> you doing it?

835
01:00:40,208 --> 01:00:41,208
Monica Lewinsky.

836
01:00:42,541 --> 01:00:46,125
I feel like I let women down
by not asking Clinton about her.

837
01:00:46,208 --> 01:00:49,541
Sex with that woman
was actually consensual.

838
01:00:49,625 --> 01:00:52,958
She was 21.
He was the president of the United States.

839
01:00:53,666 --> 01:00:57,291
He got his life back.
She got decades of vicious misogyny.

840
01:00:59,166 --> 01:01:00,000
You push.

841
01:01:00,083 --> 01:01:01,000
What?

842
01:01:01,083 --> 01:01:04,500
If he's good, if he's saying sorry
for what these girls went through,

843
01:01:04,583 --> 01:01:08,458
then... lean in and ask him
if he feels responsible as well as sorry.

844
01:01:08,541 --> 01:01:09,621
What if he says no?

845
01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:12,583
Push again, with the photograph.
Show him the picture. Here.

846
01:01:15,041 --> 01:01:16,041
Here.

847
01:01:19,958 --> 01:01:22,916
But this photograph... is you.

848
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,583
I don't believe I was ever there,

849
01:01:26,458 --> 01:01:29,458
that I ever even went upstairs
in that house.

850
01:01:29,541 --> 01:01:32,833
Um... You don't <i>recollect,</i>
Your Royal Highness.

851
01:01:33,583 --> 01:01:34,583
Yes, of course.

852
01:01:34,666 --> 01:01:36,750
So... it's a fake?

853
01:01:36,833 --> 01:01:38,208
<i>As I say,</i>

854
01:01:38,291 --> 01:01:41,958
I have no recollection
of ever having been there

855
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,625
or even meeting that woman.

856
01:01:44,708 --> 01:01:48,208
Ms. Roberts.
Please don't ever say "that woman."

857
01:01:48,291 --> 01:01:49,125
Ever.

858
01:01:49,208 --> 01:01:51,750
- Oh, for heaven's sake.
- I understand this is difficult.

859
01:01:51,833 --> 01:01:53,250
And, of course,

860
01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:56,583
you couldn't have been there
on that date, correct?

861
01:01:58,291 --> 01:01:59,291
Hm.

862
01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:03,708
You have denied, many times,

863
01:02:03,791 --> 01:02:07,583
having even met Virginia Giuffre.

864
01:02:07,666 --> 01:02:12,625
You have denied
her extremely serious allegations

865
01:02:12,708 --> 01:02:16,041
that she was forced to have sex with you

866
01:02:16,125 --> 01:02:19,833
when she was just 17 years old.

867
01:02:19,916 --> 01:02:22,250
Now, either this happened

868
01:02:23,625 --> 01:02:25,125
or she's lying.

869
01:02:25,208 --> 01:02:26,333
Which is it?

870
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,958
Bingo. Brilliant.

871
01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:33,958
We got him.

872
01:02:45,375 --> 01:02:46,375
Sam.

873
01:02:48,083 --> 01:02:49,083
Tell me.

874
01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:51,875
Nothing.

875
01:02:52,416 --> 01:02:53,416
Tell me.

876
01:02:54,875 --> 01:02:56,583
I'm going in there. You're not.

877
01:02:56,666 --> 01:02:59,041
If you have something to say,
I want to hear it.

878
01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:05,666
It's just we offered him... space and time.

879
01:03:06,625 --> 01:03:08,666
We offered him an interview.

880
01:03:10,416 --> 01:03:13,583
Men like that hate it
when they're not heard.

881
01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:15,125
He'll want to be heard.

882
01:03:25,708 --> 01:03:29,750
So the really big question...
is what do I wear?

883
01:03:30,791 --> 01:03:31,958
Black dress.

884
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:34,541
Simple, elegant.

885
01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:35,750
Hepburn/Maitlis.

886
01:03:36,625 --> 01:03:37,666
My knees.

887
01:03:38,416 --> 01:03:39,958
You've got the best knees on TV.

888
01:03:40,041 --> 01:03:42,083
I don't want people looking at my knees.

889
01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:45,416
You don't want <i>him</i> looking at your knees.
Actually, we <i>do</i> want him looking.

890
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:47,458
That would be good TV.

891
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:53,250
Emily?

892
01:03:55,875 --> 01:03:56,875
Go home.

893
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:59,500
I want you raring to go in the morning.

894
01:04:07,458 --> 01:04:08,750
2006.

895
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:13,125
Epstein was convicted of trafficking girls
as young as 14.

896
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:18,250
Yet you continued relations with him
for another four years.

897
01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:20,333
And yet you...

898
01:04:20,416 --> 01:04:25,625
and yet you continued
your friendship with him until 2010.

899
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:31,833
And yet you continued...

900
01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:33,333
Moody!

901
01:04:54,166 --> 01:04:58,500
That's great. Yeah, just in this room.
All right. Through there.

902
01:04:59,416 --> 01:05:00,958
Moody!

903
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,375
- ID, please, miss.
- Yeah, um...

904
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:09,000
She's with me.

905
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:10,500
Thanks!

906
01:05:12,625 --> 01:05:13,625
Thanks.

907
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,833
You chase them, you'll never catch them.

908
01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,208
And then when they're ready to come,
you won't be there.

909
01:05:39,125 --> 01:05:42,750
He might walk out. If Emily's doing to him
what I think, it's a strong possibility.

910
01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:44,458
If he does, film it.

911
01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:47,750
- Whatever he does, do not stop filming.
- Stewart.

912
01:05:49,208 --> 01:05:50,458
- Right.
- Um...

913
01:05:54,458 --> 01:05:55,666
Your Royal Highness.

914
01:06:23,708 --> 01:06:25,000
Sure about this?

915
01:06:26,208 --> 01:06:27,250
Little bit, um...

916
01:06:28,125 --> 01:06:30,250
A bit of powder,
Your Royal Highness?

917
01:06:30,333 --> 01:06:31,875
- Sure. What's your name?
- Cat.

918
01:06:31,958 --> 01:06:33,375
- Okay? First question.
- Yeah.

919
01:06:33,458 --> 01:06:37,000
I want it to set the tone. Straight in.
"Jeffrey Epstein was a child abuser."

920
01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:40,041
"You knew that when you went
to stay with him, didn't you?"

921
01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:42,875
Only one answer to that.
Already he's got nowhere to go.

922
01:06:42,958 --> 01:06:45,625
No, this needs
to be on the other side.

923
01:06:45,708 --> 01:06:48,625
It's going through
the opposite edge of the chair.

924
01:06:48,708 --> 01:06:50,458
That way, it won't stick out.

925
01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,375
- Oh God.
- No, wait.

926
01:06:53,791 --> 01:06:56,458
Let him be. We want him to be comfortable.

927
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:01,750
Trousers.

928
01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:25,666
Just, uh...

929
01:07:27,541 --> 01:07:30,083
<i>Just... be yourself.</i>

930
01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:42,458
That's not great.

931
01:07:42,958 --> 01:07:46,333
Donal McCabe.
He's from the Queen's press office.

932
01:07:46,416 --> 01:07:48,416
We didn't agree to that, did we?

933
01:07:48,916 --> 01:07:50,041
With the Queen?

934
01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:53,166
No. But by all means, take it up with her.

935
01:07:59,416 --> 01:08:00,500
Sound speed.

936
01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:08,833
Set.

937
01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:11,625
Your Royal Highness.

938
01:08:12,666 --> 01:08:15,583
We've come to Buckingham Palace

939
01:08:15,666 --> 01:08:19,416
in highly unusual circumstances.

940
01:08:20,291 --> 01:08:22,250
Normally, we'd be discussing your work...

941
01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:23,583
- Mm.
- ...your duty.

942
01:08:23,666 --> 01:08:24,833
We'll come on to that.

943
01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:26,375
But today,

944
01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:30,250
you've chosen to speak out
for the first time.

945
01:08:31,125 --> 01:08:34,375
Why have you decided to talk now?

946
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,375
Because there is no good time

947
01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:45,541
to talk about, um... Mr. Epstein

948
01:08:45,625 --> 01:08:48,125
and all things associated.

949
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,250
And we've been talking
to <i>Newsnight</i> for some time

950
01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:56,500
about, um, doing something
around the work that I was doing.

951
01:08:56,583 --> 01:08:58,750
And unfortunately,
we've just not been able

952
01:08:58,833 --> 01:09:03,333
to fit into either your schedule
or my schedule until now... now.

953
01:09:03,416 --> 01:09:08,583
Actually, it's a very good opportunity.
I'm delighted to be able to see you today.

954
01:09:09,541 --> 01:09:10,583
As you say,

955
01:09:11,875 --> 01:09:15,500
it all goes back to your friendship
with Jeffrey Epstein.

956
01:09:15,583 --> 01:09:16,625
Hmm.

957
01:09:17,583 --> 01:09:20,333
How did you first become friends?

958
01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:21,750
How did you meet?

959
01:09:21,833 --> 01:09:25,500
Well, I met through his girlfriend.

960
01:09:25,583 --> 01:09:26,416
Um...

961
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:27,958
Back in 1999.

962
01:09:28,041 --> 01:09:30,666
It's too open. It's too easy.

963
01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:33,375
I'd known Ghislaine
since university. In the UK.

964
01:09:34,041 --> 01:09:37,500
<i>And, um, I didn't spend much time...</i>

965
01:09:38,916 --> 01:09:43,958
<i>I suppose I saw him once or twice a year,
perhaps maximum three times a year,</i>

966
01:09:44,041 --> 01:09:50,083
and... quite often, um, if I was
in the United States and doing things,

967
01:09:50,166 --> 01:09:52,541
and he wasn't there, he'd say,

968
01:09:53,041 --> 01:09:56,000
"Why don't you come and use my houses?"

969
01:09:56,083 --> 01:09:58,166
And I said, "Thank you very much indeed."

970
01:09:58,250 --> 01:10:04,250
But it would be... a considerable stretch
to say that we were very close friends.

971
01:10:04,333 --> 01:10:06,833
But he had the most extraordinary ability

972
01:10:06,916 --> 01:10:11,583
to, um... to bring...
extraordinary people together.

973
01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:14,041
And that's the bit that I remember.

974
01:10:14,125 --> 01:10:17,541
It's going to dinner parties
where you would meet...

975
01:10:17,625 --> 01:10:18,500
What's she doing?

976
01:10:18,583 --> 01:10:20,833
...academics, politicians...

977
01:10:20,916 --> 01:10:22,625
She's letting him talk.

978
01:10:22,708 --> 01:10:26,000
It was a cosmopolitan group
of what I would call...

979
01:10:26,083 --> 01:10:27,416
Did you trust him?

980
01:10:30,375 --> 01:10:31,416
Um...

981
01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:33,125
Yes, I think I probably did,

982
01:10:33,208 --> 01:10:34,750
but, um...

983
01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:40,625
Obviously, I don't go into...
um, a friendship

984
01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:45,375
looking for the... the wrong thing,
if you understand what I mean.

985
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:47,458
I... I'm an engaging person.

986
01:10:47,541 --> 01:10:50,000
I want to be able to engage.

987
01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:53,916
Am I right in thinking
you threw a birthday party

988
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,916
for Epstein's girlfriend,
Ghislaine Maxwell, at Sandringham?

989
01:10:59,583 --> 01:11:02,500
No, it was a shooting weekend.

990
01:11:02,583 --> 01:11:03,583
A shooting weekend?

991
01:11:03,666 --> 01:11:06,916
Yes, just a straightforward...
straightforward shooting weekend.

992
01:11:08,708 --> 01:11:14,166
But during these times
that he was a guest at Windsor Castle,

993
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,666
at Sandringham, this shooting weekend...

994
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:17,750
Yep.

995
01:11:17,833 --> 01:11:21,583
We now know... that he had been

996
01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:26,416
procuring young girls...
for sex trafficking.

997
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,541
We <i>now</i> know that.

998
01:11:36,041 --> 01:11:37,208
At the time,

999
01:11:38,125 --> 01:11:40,125
there was no indication,

1000
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,583
to me... or anybody else,

1001
01:11:44,666 --> 01:11:47,833
that that's what he was doing.

1002
01:11:48,708 --> 01:11:50,958
Absolutely no indication.

1003
01:11:52,416 --> 01:11:54,125
Flight logs for Epstein's jet.

1004
01:11:54,208 --> 01:11:56,541
The, uh, quote "Lolita Express."

1005
01:11:57,458 --> 01:12:00,333
PA, Prince Andrew, is a frequent flyer.

1006
01:12:00,416 --> 01:12:01,958
So is BC, Bill,

1007
01:12:02,041 --> 01:12:03,833
and GM, Ghislaine Maxwell.

1008
01:12:04,458 --> 01:12:07,375
Princes, presidents, and females.

1009
01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:09,875
The girls don't get named.

1010
01:12:11,125 --> 01:12:14,625
Just so our ducks are in a row
when all of Fleet Street comes knocking.

1011
01:12:16,125 --> 01:12:19,708
Just for the record,
you've been on his private plane.

1012
01:12:20,375 --> 01:12:21,375
Yes.

1013
01:12:21,708 --> 01:12:24,750
You've been to stay on his private island.

1014
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:26,250
Yes.

1015
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,750
You've stayed at his home in Palm Beach.

1016
01:12:30,291 --> 01:12:31,125
Yes.

1017
01:12:31,208 --> 01:12:34,708
So, in 2006, in May,

1018
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,875
an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein

1019
01:12:38,958 --> 01:12:41,750
for sexual assault of a minor.

1020
01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:42,833
Yes.

1021
01:12:42,916 --> 01:12:47,458
He was released in July of 2010.

1022
01:12:47,541 --> 01:12:48,916
And within months,

1023
01:12:49,541 --> 01:12:52,541
you went to stay with him
at his New York mansion.

1024
01:12:56,041 --> 01:12:57,041
Why?

1025
01:12:57,708 --> 01:13:01,750
Why were you staying
with a convicted sex offender?

1026
01:13:04,791 --> 01:13:09,791
Now, I went to see him
with the sole purpose of saying to him

1027
01:13:09,875 --> 01:13:14,625
that because he had been convicted,

1028
01:13:15,416 --> 01:13:20,500
it was inappropriate
that we should be seen together.

1029
01:13:20,583 --> 01:13:25,125
I felt that doing it over the telephone
was the chicken's way of doing it.

1030
01:13:25,208 --> 01:13:27,625
I had to go and see him and talk to him.

1031
01:13:28,458 --> 01:13:31,708
I went to see him. We had an opportunity
to go for a walk in the park,

1032
01:13:31,791 --> 01:13:35,208
and that was the... uh, conversation,

1033
01:13:35,291 --> 01:13:36,750
coincidentally,

1034
01:13:36,833 --> 01:13:38,958
that was photographed.

1035
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:45,958
When I... I said to him, I said,
"Look, because of what has... happened,

1036
01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:52,708
I don't think it is appropriate
for us to remain in contact."

1037
01:13:53,375 --> 01:13:54,916
And by mutual decision,

1038
01:13:55,416 --> 01:13:58,458
we agreed to part company, and I left.

1039
01:13:58,541 --> 01:14:02,958
He threw a party to celebrate his release,

1040
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,458
and you were invited as a guest of honor.

1041
01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:07,625
No, I didn't go.

1042
01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:12,541
Oh, in 2010.

1043
01:14:13,333 --> 01:14:17,083
There... Well, there...
There certainly wasn't a... a party

1044
01:14:17,166 --> 01:14:23,708
to celebrate his release in... December,
because it was only a small dinner party.

1045
01:14:23,791 --> 01:14:26,208
There were only
eight or ten of us at the dinner.

1046
01:14:26,291 --> 01:14:28,250
If there was a... a party,

1047
01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:29,916
then I know nothing about that.

1048
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,041
You were invited to that dinner

1049
01:14:32,791 --> 01:14:34,041
as a guest of honor.

1050
01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:39,166
I was there, so I was at the dinner.
I don't think it was as you might put it,

1051
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:41,708
but, okay, I was there.
I was there at a dinner.

1052
01:14:41,791 --> 01:14:43,333
I'm just trying to work this out

1053
01:14:43,416 --> 01:14:46,666
because you said
you went to break up the relationship,

1054
01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:51,750
and yet you stayed
at that New York mansion several days.

1055
01:14:51,833 --> 01:14:53,166
I'm wondering how long...

1056
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:55,583
I was doing a number
of other things while I was there.

1057
01:14:55,666 --> 01:14:58,583
But you were staying at the house
of a convicted sex offender.

1058
01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:00,708
It was a convenient place to stay.

1059
01:15:12,708 --> 01:15:14,416
So I've spoken to <i>Panorama.</i>

1060
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:17,625
Virginia Roberts says the original photo
was printed and date stamped

1061
01:15:17,708 --> 01:15:19,416
two days after it was taken,

1062
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,500
and we have an affidavit
from a witness in 2001

1063
01:15:22,583 --> 01:15:24,375
who saw the photo at the time.

1064
01:15:25,916 --> 01:15:27,458
- Freddy?
- Yeah?

1065
01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:28,458
Thank you.

1066
01:15:28,541 --> 01:15:29,541
Yeah.

1067
01:15:30,916 --> 01:15:33,708
One of Epstein's accusers,

1068
01:15:33,791 --> 01:15:35,000
Virginia Roberts,

1069
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:39,125
made allegations against you.

1070
01:15:39,208 --> 01:15:41,916
In a legal deposition,

1071
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:47,875
she said she had sex with you three times.

1072
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:51,166
Once in a London house

1073
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:55,333
when she was trafficked to you
in Maxwell's house.

1074
01:15:55,416 --> 01:15:56,250
Uh...

1075
01:15:56,333 --> 01:15:59,458
Once... in New York

1076
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,958
a month or so later in Epstein's mansion,

1077
01:16:04,041 --> 01:16:06,791
and once on his private island,

1078
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:11,625
in a group of seven or eight other girls.

1079
01:16:14,875 --> 01:16:16,166
No.

1080
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,375
No to all of it?

1081
01:16:19,458 --> 01:16:20,458
All of it.

1082
01:16:20,875 --> 01:16:25,250
Absolutely no to all of it.

1083
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:30,125
Are you saying you don't believe her?

1084
01:16:30,666 --> 01:16:31,833
She's lying?

1085
01:16:36,041 --> 01:16:40,541
That's a difficult thing
for me to, um... answer

1086
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:43,833
because I don't know

1087
01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:48,208
what she's, um, trying to achieve.

1088
01:16:48,291 --> 01:16:50,166
But I can tell you...

1089
01:16:51,208 --> 01:16:53,333
uh... categorically,

1090
01:16:54,458 --> 01:16:57,458
I don't remember meeting her at all.

1091
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,750
I do not remember
a photograph being taken,

1092
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:03,416
and I've said,

1093
01:17:04,041 --> 01:17:07,375
consistently and, um...

1094
01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:09,416
frequently,

1095
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,250
that we never had
any sort of sexual contact whatever.

1096
01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:21,791
She says she met you in 2001.

1097
01:17:23,041 --> 01:17:25,041
She says she dined with you,

1098
01:17:25,833 --> 01:17:27,458
danced with you.

1099
01:17:27,541 --> 01:17:29,125
You bought her drinks

1100
01:17:29,875 --> 01:17:32,250
at Tramp nightclub in London.

1101
01:17:32,333 --> 01:17:35,375
There's a number of things wrong
with that story. One of which is that...

1102
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:42,833
I don't know where the bar is in Tramps.

1103
01:17:44,416 --> 01:17:45,416
Um...

1104
01:17:46,041 --> 01:17:47,666
Um, I don't drink.

1105
01:17:49,541 --> 01:17:56,125
Um, I... I don't think I've ever bought
a drink in Tramps whenever I was there.

1106
01:17:56,208 --> 01:17:58,416
Do you remember dancing with her?

1107
01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:03,291
No, that couldn't have happened
because on that particular date,

1108
01:18:03,375 --> 01:18:06,083
I was, um, at home.
I was with the children.

1109
01:18:06,166 --> 01:18:11,083
And I had taken Beatrice
to a Pizza Express in Woking

1110
01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:16,666
for a party, I think...
round about 4:00, 5:00 in the afternoon.

1111
01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:19,916
Why would you remember that
so specifically?

1112
01:18:21,416 --> 01:18:25,166
Because going to Pizza Express in Woking

1113
01:18:26,041 --> 01:18:28,625
is an unusual thing for me to do.

1114
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,083
A very unusual thing for me to do.

1115
01:18:35,875 --> 01:18:37,333
Uh, stop. Um...

1116
01:18:37,833 --> 01:18:38,833
Can... Can we?

1117
01:18:39,416 --> 01:18:41,958
Please, um, I would like to go back.

1118
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:45,750
I would like to make a...
a specific reference to the date.

1119
01:18:45,833 --> 01:18:46,833
March the 10th.

1120
01:18:46,875 --> 01:18:49,125
I think it's perfectly clear.
Do we need that?

1121
01:18:49,208 --> 01:18:51,250
I think we're rolling well,
don't you, Emily?

1122
01:18:53,291 --> 01:18:54,291
- No?
- No.

1123
01:19:03,208 --> 01:19:07,833
- She was very specific about that night.
- Mm-hmm.

1124
01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:10,583
She described dancing with you.

1125
01:19:10,666 --> 01:19:13,041
- No.
- And you profusely sweating.

1126
01:19:15,541 --> 01:19:20,041
Um, there's a... there's a, um...
a slight problem with the sweating.

1127
01:19:20,125 --> 01:19:24,833
But... because I have, um,
a... peculiar condition,

1128
01:19:24,916 --> 01:19:28,250
which is that I don't sweat,
or rather I didn't sweat at the time.

1129
01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:30,500
And that would, um... Oh, actually...

1130
01:19:30,583 --> 01:19:33,083
Yes, I didn't sweat at the time,

1131
01:19:33,166 --> 01:19:34,916
and that's because I suffered

1132
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,291
what I would describe as an overdose
of adrenaline in the Falklands War

1133
01:19:40,375 --> 01:19:42,666
when I was shot at, and I simply, um...

1134
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:46,708
it... it... it was almost impossible
for me to... to... to sweat.

1135
01:19:53,458 --> 01:19:54,541
I wonder

1136
01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:59,041
if you have any sense of

1137
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,708
guilt, regret, or shame

1138
01:20:06,041 --> 01:20:08,625
about any of your behavior

1139
01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:11,500
in your friendship with Epstein.

1140
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:17,500
On balance...

1141
01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:24,000
could I have avoided... ever meeting him?

1142
01:20:25,041 --> 01:20:26,041
Mm...

1143
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:28,000
I don't think so,

1144
01:20:28,541 --> 01:20:32,000
and that's because of
my friendship with Ghislaine.

1145
01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:38,000
Do I regret the fact

1146
01:20:38,083 --> 01:20:44,000
that he's quite obviously, uh,
conducted himself in a manner unbecoming...

1147
01:20:44,083 --> 01:20:47,208
"Unbecoming"?
He was a sex offender.

1148
01:20:47,291 --> 01:20:49,250
Yes, I'm sorry. I... I was being polite.

1149
01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:52,833
I mean, in the sense that
he was a sex offender. But, no, um...

1150
01:20:53,958 --> 01:20:57,583
Was I right in having him as a friend?

1151
01:20:58,583 --> 01:20:59,583
Um...

1152
01:21:00,833 --> 01:21:01,833
At the time,

1153
01:21:02,958 --> 01:21:08,583
bearing in mind this was some years before
he was accused of being a sex offender,

1154
01:21:10,708 --> 01:21:14,875
I don't think
there was anything wrong... then.

1155
01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:23,125
The problem was, after the fact,
that after he had been convicted...

1156
01:21:23,208 --> 01:21:25,041
- You stayed with him.
- I stayed with him.

1157
01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:28,083
And that's the bit that, um, as it were,

1158
01:21:28,166 --> 01:21:30,583
I kick myself for
on a daily basis.

1159
01:21:30,666 --> 01:21:34,833
Because that... it was... it was not, um,
becoming of a member of the royal family,

1160
01:21:34,916 --> 01:21:39,000
and we... we try to uphold
the highest standards and practices,

1161
01:21:39,083 --> 01:21:41,916
and I... I let the side down,
simple as that.

1162
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:04,958
Is there anything
you feel has been left unsaid

1163
01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:07,541
that you would like to say now?

1164
01:22:10,916 --> 01:22:12,041
No, I don't think so.

1165
01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:17,875
You probably dragged out of me
most of what's required.

1166
01:22:26,916 --> 01:22:27,916
I'm gonna go.

1167
01:22:29,625 --> 01:22:32,458
I have a biker downstairs.
The memory cards. Both copies...

1168
01:22:32,541 --> 01:22:34,583
Now, would you all like a tour?

1169
01:22:34,666 --> 01:22:35,666
Some stills?

1170
01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:39,666
Ah. Yes, of course. Um...
Tell you what, two birds, one stone.

1171
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:42,041
You take your snaps
while I show Emily around.

1172
01:23:00,875 --> 01:23:02,541
Wasn't he wonderful?

1173
01:23:04,458 --> 01:23:05,583
Wonderful.

1174
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,500
You know, I thought
that all went very well.

1175
01:23:41,458 --> 01:23:43,083
Like a walk in the park.

1176
01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:00,791
Expecting a car, madam?

1177
01:24:00,875 --> 01:24:03,250
Uh... Uh, no. Thank you.

1178
01:24:03,333 --> 01:24:05,750
Um... I think I'm going to walk.

1179
01:24:05,833 --> 01:24:06,833
But thank you.

1180
01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:20,750
I think I might be sick.

1181
01:24:45,708 --> 01:24:46,958
Emily. That was...

1182
01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:52,041
That was him... right there. You did it.

1183
01:24:54,041 --> 01:24:55,041
<i>We</i> did it.

1184
01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:58,458
Thanks, Sammy.

1185
01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:10,458
How are we doing?

1186
01:25:10,541 --> 01:25:12,791
Twitter teasers are nearly ready.
When do we go live?

1187
01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:15,125
I'm gonna talk
to the DG about that now.

1188
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:28,500
She had her man in the room when you shot
the interview. He recorded it. Yes?

1189
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,916
Could she stop it going out, Tony?

1190
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,875
Well, she is the Queen.
I mean, I'd have to take the call.

1191
01:25:34,958 --> 01:25:37,541
We want to trail it on Friday night
after the show, live.

1192
01:25:37,625 --> 01:25:38,875
With Emily?

1193
01:25:38,958 --> 01:25:41,208
Of course.
With teasers on socials afterwards.

1194
01:25:41,291 --> 01:25:44,083
I'll tell the Palace
we're broadcasting on Saturday night.

1195
01:25:44,166 --> 01:25:45,666
Wait for me to get back to you.

1196
01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:01,333
How long?

1197
01:26:01,666 --> 01:26:02,666
Fifteen minutes.

1198
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,708
I guess no news is good news.

1199
01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,291
Oh...

1200
01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:12,416
- Tony?
<i>- Esme, hi.</i>

1201
01:26:16,791 --> 01:26:18,958
Pull the trigger. We're on.

1202
01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:23,208
Tomorrow night,
in a <i>Newsnight</i> special program,

1203
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:29,250
we will hear for the first time
from the duke himself.

1204
01:26:29,833 --> 01:26:31,666
In an unprecedented interview,

1205
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:35,958
he speaks to us at length
about his friendship with Epstein

1206
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:38,625
and the claims made against him.

1207
01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:42,666
Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,

1208
01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:48,333
has long faced questions about his ties
to the financier Jeffrey Epstein,

1209
01:26:48,958 --> 01:26:51,166
who took his life earlier this year

1210
01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:53,333
while awaiting trial on sex...

1211
01:27:47,416 --> 01:27:50,375
- Where does this bloody dust come from?
- I know, sir.

1212
01:27:55,166 --> 01:27:59,083
<i>"For the prince, the whole
nerve-shredding exercise is designed</i>

1213
01:27:59,166 --> 01:28:01,541
<i>to show that he has nothing to hide."</i>

1214
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:06,250
"It will show that he has been
wholly honest and truthful.<i>"</i>

1215
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:11,416
"'In a way, ' says a friend,
'he is saying, "Judge me.""

1216
01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:17,083
It's... It's excellent, isn't it?

1217
01:28:17,916 --> 01:28:19,000
Huh.

1218
01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:21,041
It's... It's exactly the right tone.

1219
01:28:21,125 --> 01:28:22,666
Very good.

1220
01:28:24,541 --> 01:28:26,875
Would you...
Would you like me to be here tonight

1221
01:28:27,375 --> 01:28:29,375
when it... goes out?

1222
01:28:30,666 --> 01:28:31,916
Oh, no, I don't think so.

1223
01:28:32,666 --> 01:28:35,875
No, I really don't think that's necessary.

1224
01:28:40,625 --> 01:28:42,291
Hello!

1225
01:28:42,375 --> 01:28:43,666
Nana, this is Freya.

1226
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:46,291
- Hello. Come in. Come in.
- Freya, this is Netta.

1227
01:28:46,375 --> 01:28:47,375
Hello.

1228
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,333
<i>Um, in... In fact, I'm convinced</i>

1229
01:29:12,041 --> 01:29:16,333
<i>that I was never in Tramps with her.</i>

1230
01:29:16,416 --> 01:29:19,625
<i>There's a number of things wrong
with that story. One of which is that...</i>

1231
01:29:19,708 --> 01:29:22,791
<i>I don't know where the bar is.</i>

1232
01:29:31,625 --> 01:29:37,125
<i>I have a, um... a peculiar condition,
which is that I don't sweat,</i>

1233
01:29:37,208 --> 01:29:40,208
<i>or rather I didn't sweat at the time.
And that would...</i>

1234
01:29:40,291 --> 01:29:42,875
<i>and that is because I had suffered</i>

1235
01:29:42,958 --> 01:29:47,791
<i>what I would describe as an overdose
of adrenaline in the Falklands War.</i>

1236
01:29:47,875 --> 01:29:51,291
<i>Because going to Pizza Express in Woking</i>

1237
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:54,791
<i>is an unusual thing for me to do.</i>

1238
01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,583
<i>A very unusual thing for me to do.</i>

1239
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:08,041
<i>So, if Virginia Roberts
is watching this interview,</i>

1240
01:30:08,666 --> 01:30:10,416
<i>what's your message to her?</i>

1241
01:30:14,791 --> 01:30:16,666
<i>I don't have a message for her</i>

1242
01:30:16,750 --> 01:30:19,375
<i>because I have to have...</i>

1243
01:30:19,458 --> 01:30:21,416
She gives him every chance.

1244
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:24,750
<i>And if somebody's going to make
these sorts of allegations...</i>

1245
01:30:27,833 --> 01:30:32,208
<i>We try and uphold
the highest standards and practices,</i>

1246
01:30:32,291 --> 01:30:35,625
<i>and, um, I let the side down,
simple as that.</i>

1247
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:37,333
Christ's sake.

1248
01:30:43,291 --> 01:30:45,458
{\an8}<i>...you feel you'd like to say...</i>

1249
01:30:46,208 --> 01:30:47,500
<i>that has been left unsaid?</i>

1250
01:30:51,458 --> 01:30:53,333
<i>No, I don't think so.</i>

1251
01:30:53,416 --> 01:30:58,625
<i>You probably dragged out of me
most of what's required.</i>

1252
01:31:08,875 --> 01:31:10,500
We're gonna sit up front, Mum.

1253
01:32:15,041 --> 01:32:16,333
Your Royal Highness.

1254
01:32:19,958 --> 01:32:21,125
Mm.

1255
01:32:35,041 --> 01:32:36,666
Amanda!

1256
01:32:36,750 --> 01:32:38,333
Amanda, a quick statement.

1257
01:32:46,583 --> 01:32:47,958
Would you like to comment?

1258
01:33:04,166 --> 01:33:07,333
The Palace have just released
a statement from the Duke of York.

1259
01:33:08,958 --> 01:33:11,625
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back

1260
01:33:12,416 --> 01:33:14,666
from public duties
for the foreseeable future,

1261
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:16,458
and she has given me her permission."

1262
01:33:19,208 --> 01:33:21,041
<i>"I continue to unequivocally regret</i>

1263
01:33:21,125 --> 01:33:23,916
<i>my ill-judged association
with Jeffrey Epstein."</i>

1264
01:33:24,541 --> 01:33:27,958
<i>"His suicide has left
many unanswered questions,</i>

1265
01:33:28,041 --> 01:33:29,791
<i>particularly for his victims."</i>

1266
01:33:31,958 --> 01:33:35,583
"I can only hope that in time,
they will be able to rebuild their lives."

1267
01:33:41,291 --> 01:33:42,833
This is what <i>Newsnight</i> is.

1268
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:47,375
We put the time in...
to get the stories other shows won't.

1269
01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:51,583
Stories that need to be told,

1270
01:33:52,708 --> 01:33:53,875
that people care about,

1271
01:33:54,708 --> 01:33:56,416
hold the powerful to account

1272
01:33:56,500 --> 01:33:58,666
and give victims a voice.

1273
01:34:02,083 --> 01:34:03,208
Thank you.

1274
01:34:46,083 --> 01:34:47,500
Two lamb shawarma.

1275
01:34:47,583 --> 01:34:48,458
The usual.

1276
01:34:48,541 --> 01:34:49,375
Thanks.

1277
01:34:49,458 --> 01:34:52,666
You seen this?
Love to be there when they filmed that!

1278
01:34:57,166 --> 01:34:58,541
Yeah, I did. I saw it.

1279
01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:02,291
- Thanks.
- Bye.